Been trying since November to buy a MacBook Pro.

[MikeDr206]

What?
You get 3% back using your Apple Card for payment in full OR 0% interest 12 month payment program... So yes there is cash back and on a nicely equipped $4,000 plus M1 Max it can be very good amount.

Yea not that mythical 7% but this 3% isn't a dream as you actually can get instead of being played.
Heck getting the 3% and then actually receiving the laptop has to be worth more than the 7% you obviously can't get and likely never will.
Why would they when the demand has outperformed the availability since its release. I mean haven't you seen this from the start?

Actually you get both. you get 3% back immediately, and can spread payments over 12 months at 0%.

I‘m not a big fan of the Apple Card, but for Apple products it’s a no brainer. That said, my first choice is always to go through Amazon, which offers 5% back on Amazon and Whole Foods purchases with the Chase Amazon card.

 

[Chevysales]

Actually you get both. you get 3% back immediately, and can spread payments over 12 months at 0%.

I‘m not a big fan of the Apple Card, but for Apple products it’s a no brainer. That said, my first choice is always to go through Amazon, which offers 5% back on Amazon and Whole Foods purchases with the Chase Amazon card.

Yes you are 100% correct my mistake there that's exactly what I did/received.
I should have put "And/Or". It was great deal and first time I did the 12 month thing as I usually just pay for it. They make it really simple.

 

[jav6454]

Have you? I have been to Latin American and frequently to Mexico, not just touristy places either, in Monterrey where all these factories are 2 hours south of good ol USA.

Do you know for a fact it's not cheaper in Asia, they've been at this a lot longer, and if you know an Asian workers they know how to work their ass's off. Not to say Latin workers are not, but my point was Laitn Americans have a more relaxed approach to life and this was referring to the comment of needing more hands on from outside. I got very accustom to 2 hour lunches in the afternoons with not much interest of going back in, I doubt they do this in Asia.

As for car parts, the reason is that free trade agreement has worked out between the 3 North American countries and big auto for this. If the Automakers had a choice they would have moved auto parts years, and years ago to Asia, but politicians and the unions won't have it, and rightly so that would be a massive job kill. But as you can see they are slowly getting their way.

I am from Latin America. I have yet to hear of any work place that gives out 2 hour lunch breaks. Please enlighten me.

In fact, several colleagues of mine work in manufacturing and have ok-ish to harsh work hours/shifts. In fact automotive work shifts being the worst (mandatory 12-hr @ 6 days).

I have been to my company’s Asian manufacturing sites (and suppliers) and across the board what I saw was that actually had 30 minutes for lunch and 45 minutes for sleep time after lunch. So yeah, not sure where you get your information. Not only that, if I look at the customer complaints, sites in the Americas, Europe and Middle East get less than 1/4 of the complaints an Asian site gets. That’s adjusting in volume. But this is the last I’ll say of this as further arguing will derail the thread.

 

[jav6454]

has to do with skilled work force and logistics, car parts are inherently less skill specifics, that and the fact that it take a much more complex supply chain to produce advance electronics.

You’d be surprised how wrong your statement is. with car stuff you can kill someone and have huge liability if it doesn’t come exactly to spec. An iPhone? Not so much.

 

[tskwara]

I'll be listing on eBay very soon a 2021 16" MBP that's maxed out except for having 4TB SDD. The switch to a Mac Studio was a good move for my workflow.

 

[ilikewhey]

You’d be surprised how wrong your statement is. with car stuff you can kill someone and have huge liability if it doesn’t come exactly to spec. An iPhone? Not so much.

by your logic the gun industry must have the most insane manufacturing tolerance. tell me, if what you say is true, then why is the semi conductor industry one of most complex on the planet.

 

[scaramoosh]

Well if it's true about what I heard today on a Podcast that China aren't giving Russia chips they want for the war due to US sanctions. So Russia aren't giving China the materials needed to make the chips in retaliation..... then I don't hold out any hopes. It's weird I used to hate Trump back in 2016, but he's constantly proven right now.

 

[MrGunny94]

It really sucks that Apple hasn't released a 32GB base model for the 14", these customs orders are killing everyone.

 

[jav6454]

It really sucks that Apple hasn't released a 32GB base model for the 14", these customs orders are killing everyone.

I don't think that will help if their constraint is the NAND chips for 32GB RAM.

 

[MrGunny94]

I don't think that will help if their constraint is the NAND chips for 32GB RAM.

No for sure, but it's annoying for many people who can't simple pick up a 'normal' model.

Some people can't order from Apple or just want to pick it. In Europe it's always been 8-12 weeks to order anything with 32GB.

 

[jav6454]

No for sure, but it's annoying for many people who can't simple pick up a 'normal' model.

Some people can't order from Apple or just want to pick it. In Europe it's always been 8-12 weeks to order anything with 32GB.

I wonder if the issue is that, for space reasons, Apple is going with 2 NAND chips per logic board instead of having the space for 4 chips.

That could allow greater manufacturing flexibility. For instance, you could make 32GB using 4x 8GB modules or have 2x 16GB modules. In the end mix and match to achieve the desired configurations.

 

[MrGunny94]

I wonder if the issue is that, for space reasons, Apple is going with 2 NAND chips per logic board instead of having the space for 4 chips.

That could allow greater manufacturing flexibility. For instance, you could make 32GB using 4x 8GB modules or have 2x 16GB modules. In the end mix and match to achieve the desired configurations.

Yeah I'm very confused about the 'pre-configured' models they got going, the lack of a M1 Max on the 14" is very bad tbh.

Oh well, base model with full M1 Pro die + 16GB memory will be enough for me the next 3 years. But next time if everything is better with the supply chain I'm definitely ordering 32GB.

 

[jav6454]

Yeah I'm very confused about the 'pre-configured' models they got going, the lack of a M1 Max on the 14" is very bad tbh.

Oh well, base model with full M1 Pro die + 16GB memory will be enough for me the next 3 years. But next time if everything is better with the supply chain I'm definitely ordering 32GB.

Not sure why, but the timing difference between a M1 Pro/Max configuration (irregardless of memory config) is just 1 week (7 days).

In the end, waiting an extra week for something that takes 2 months seems like a breeze.

 

[Pierre535]

Just quite cancelling orders.

 

[Jeven Stobs]

Check out the Apple refurbished store as might be able to beat the 7% cash back and get it delivered quicker

Might be worth it, or not. My refurbished products all had and have problems that neither Apple nor AASPs want or wanted to recognise.
When I got my 2017 MBP and went to a store to complain about the keyboard they told me it must be a software thing (that the keys got stuck, they literally pointed out the „sticky keys“ function…, for example.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I am from Latin America. I have yet to hear of any work place that gives out 2 hour lunch breaks. Please enlighten me.

In fact, several colleagues of mine work in manufacturing and have ok-ish to harsh work hours/shifts. In fact automotive work shifts being the worst (mandatory 12-hr @ 6 days).

I have been to my company’s Asian manufacturing sites (and suppliers) and across the board what I saw was that actually had 30 minutes for lunch and 45 minutes for sleep time after lunch. So yeah, not sure where you get your information. Not only that, if I look at the customer complaints, sites in the Americas, Europe and Middle East get less than 1/4 of the complaints an Asian site gets. That’s adjusting in volume. But this is the last I’ll say of this as further arguing will derail the thread.

Office workers, depending on the office. Break from Noon to 2 or 3 pm, but then you work until 7 or 8 pm.
At least that's how it used to be, not sure now. In several countries in Europe still do that, specially companies with an international footprint.

 

[Natzoo]

2 months? Darn...

That's crazy, I remember during launch I was able to get one launch day and exchanged it the next week because my trade-in credit didn't go through. Never thought demand and supply chains would be worse than launch.

 

[GooseInTheCaboose]

We just placed an order for a custom order MBP16. Ship date is early July.

Ugh, was anoht to buy a 14” today, wishfully thinking I might have it in a couple weeks. Nope, late July.

This is making me ask tough questions, like “do I really need a custom order?”. Mainly ordering for 2TB ssd, but now I might consider a whole new setup..ugh hate this pandemic stuff..cant believe this is still a problem

 

[jav6454]

That's crazy, I remember during launch I was able to get one launch day and exchanged it the next week because my trade-in credit didn't go through. Never thought demand and supply chains would be worse than launch.

Lucky. I also consider myself lucky as I when I bought my Mac, I didn't have to wait for much time. At most I waited 6 days.

 

[UBS28]

I do not buy directly from Apple because you get charged full price from them with no cash back. However I've put in orders from a few retailers now, to have them cancelled or told it'll be two months and then cancelling them myself to order somewhere else. Like the 32 Core model is the Holy Grail or something, you cannot get it from anywhere. I cancelled my order from November in January, I ordered another one and was still waiting for it in March, so I cancelled that and ordered from somewhere else and I'm still waiting on that order. Just contacted the company and they have no idea when they'll get stock in.

What is going on?

I don't want to cancel this order though as I got 7 percent cash back from Quidco on it....

Seems to me you made the wrong decision. Sure, you can save money buying it from retailers who are selling it cheaper than from Apple directly, but don't complain if it doesn't work out the way you wanted it then.

I bought my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro at launch and got it delivered directly from Apple in 3 weeks.

 

[UBS28]

That's crazy, I remember during launch I was able to get one launch day and exchanged it the next week because my trade-in credit didn't go through. Never thought demand and supply chains would be worse than launch.

You didn't expect it? I already saw it coming, hence why I ordered my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro immediately at launch.

I believe it is still very hard to get your hands on a Playstation 5 and that thing is almost 2 years old now, to give you an idea of the current situation.

Apple was doing exceptionally well in the current climate in terms of getting products out, but I knew they are not immortal to the global crisis we are in. It could go south just like the other companies who are facing issues.

 

[kevink2]

I do not buy directly from Apple because you get charged full price from them with no cash back. However I've put in orders from a few retailers now, to have them cancelled or told it'll be two months and then cancelling them myself to order somewhere else. Like the 32 Core model is the Holy Grail or something, you cannot get it from anywhere. I cancelled my order from November in January, I ordered another one and was still waiting for it in March, so I cancelled that and ordered from somewhere else and I'm still waiting on that order. Just contacted the company and they have no idea when they'll get stock in.

What is going on?

I don't want to cancel this order though as I got 7 percent cash back from Quidco on it....

I've had the same issue. Last fall I ordered through Adorama due to the discount. Unexpectedly, I got charged when they passed off the order to Apple. As if it was shipped. Over a month later still no shipment, and I didn't want to pay off my credit card for an item this pricey I hadn't received yet so I cancelled and got refunded just in time.

About this time my drive in my 2015 MBP died. Unexpected for a SSD. So I replaced it with a larger one so am out of the market for awhile. Good, I guess, since delays are continuing.

 

[kevink2]

Seems to me you made the wrong decision. Sure, you can save money buying it from retailers who are selling it cheaper than from Apple directly, but don't complain if it doesn't work out the way you wanted it then.

I bought my 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro at launch and got it delivered directly from Apple in 3 weeks.

I've done it several times through they years. This is the first time I've been burned.

 

[jav6454]

I've done it several times through they years. This is the first time I've been burned.

In this case, if I were you, I would have stuck with Apple given the whole supply constraints on stuff. Not worth the hassle of extended delays.

 

[scaramoosh]

In this case, if I were you, I would have stuck with Apple given the whole supply constraints on stuff. Not worth the hassle of extended delays.

It is when it takes the price down of the 32 core 16 inch model to almost 2500, 800 quid off the price. I ordered it with the Quidco bonus and the nectar points I already had, plus another 75 back from the bonus they were running. Then the retailer had 10 percent off themselves during that time as it was 2999 and not 3300. With everything off I'm getting close to 2500 for it, which none of those offers apply to Apple and why I never buy anything through them. I don't buy anything I will lose a load of money from straight away. I reckon at the price I ordered it from, I could use it for a year and still get most of that money back.

Some people are fine throwing money away, however it just bothers me. Though while I have a large amount of savings, none of the people I know have any and they blame the government for it..... Like no, I watched you spend all that furlough money on crap lol.