Beginners question

[Orangeman13]

So I just got my new MacBook Pro 14 inch and I looked everywhere for the answer to this question but I couldn't find it so I thought I would bug you guys about it. What happens if the computer is on and you shut the laptop? Does it just go to sleep or does it stay on and just a display goes to sleep? Thanks!

 

[MBAir2010]

there should be some pins that know the laptop ilid s closed and while stop any actions.
i don know about the newer models.
the MacBook Pro will function when the ilid is open unless there is a external display involved.

 

[Expos of 1969]

So I just got my new MacBook Pro 14 inch and I looked everywhere for the answer to this question but I couldn't find it so I thought I would bug you guys about it. What happens if the computer is on and you shut the laptop? Does it just go to sleep or does it stay on and just a display goes to sleep? Thanks!

Based on what I just tried with my M1 MacBook Air, it does not go to sleep. When I close the lid and open it a few minutes later, the screen displays the last place I was prior to closing. I usually put it to sleep and about once a week I turn it off completely. Unlike many people, I turn my phone off completely nightly but that is just me.

 

[Sanpete]

It goes to sleep, more or less. Most processes will stop, including videos or music playing or streaming. Sleep isn't what it used to be, so some processes can still operate.

 

[chabig]

When you close the lid it goes to sleep. When you open the lid it wakes. It uses magnets, not pins, as a sensor.

 

[spiderman0616]

The reason it seems like it is still on when you open it is that the Macs with M1 chips wake instantly, just like an iPhone or iPad. The screen is on before you even open the lid far enough to see any light sometimes.

 

[Techdunce]

I recently bought an M1 Macbook Pro and hate the fact that it starts automatically when the lid is lifted even though it's been previously shut down. I would much prefer to power up the machine by pressing the power button. I've called Apple support and it seems that nobody has addressed this issue since I believe that users should be given the choice as to whether they want this feature or not. I wonder if a fix is possible and whether Apple can be convinced to offer it. After all choice is surely something that they will want their customers to have.

 

[chabig]

I've called Apple support and it seems that nobody has addressed this issue

Apple has addressed this. The machines turn on when you open the lid. End of story.

 

[darngooddesign]

I recently bought an M1 Macbook Pro and hate the fact that it starts automatically when the lid is lifted even though it's been previously shut down. I would much prefer to power up the machine by pressing the power button. I've called Apple support and it seems that nobody has addressed this issue since I believe that users should be given the choice as to whether they want this feature or not. I wonder if a fix is possible and whether Apple can be convinced to offer it. After all choice is surely something that they will want their customers to have.

I also agree that users should be given the choice to press a key to boot the computer.

So I just got my new MacBook Pro 14 inch and I looked everywhere for the answer to this question but I couldn't find it so I thought I would bug you guys about it. What happens if the computer is on and you shut the laptop? Does it just go to sleep or does it stay on and just a display goes to sleep? Thanks!

In almost all cases your computer will just go to sleep unless connected to an external display; for example, play some music and close the lid.

 

[chabig]

I recently bought an M1 Macbook Pro and hate the fact that it starts automatically when the lid is lifted even though it's been previously shut down.

Most people never shut down their Macs. By design they can remain on forever, going to sleep when not in use. I think that in ten years I have never shut down a Mac notebook, and I’ve only shut down a Mac desktop when I needed to move it.

 

[DHagan4755]

Shutting down is really a thing of the past.

Many years ago I remember getting ready to upgrade macOS on my MacBook Pro. I wondered how long it had been since I restarted. I went into the terminal & typed "uptime." Well it was almost a year since I last restarted. I took a pic for posterity. That tells you how stable macOS & Apple hardware can be.

So you can just put your Mac to sleep when you're not using it.

 

[Stewart Gooderman]

Funny, I do the exact opposite that most people here are doing. I've been using Apple computers since the Apple //e days. I currently use a mid-2015 MacBook Pro I purchased in 2018 just before it was discontinued, and I shut it off every night and restart it every morning. Why? To make sure that no corruptions have entered into the system and secondary applications and add-ons are properly working. Several utilities I use do not update until I do a hard restart, so a restart guarantees all is fresh and fine.

Maybe the newer M1 machines don't need to do that but I would think the ability to hard restart should always be available.

 

[TiggrToo]

Shutting down is really a thing of the past.

Many years ago I remember getting ready to upgrade macOS on my MacBook Pro. I wondered how long it had been since I restarted. I went into the terminal & typed "uptime." Well it was almost a year since I last restarted. I took a pic for posterity. That tells you how stable macOS & Apple hardware can be.

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So you can just put your Mac to sleep when you're not using it.

Can be, not always the case sadly.

Something in 12.3+ is causing issues for me on my 2020 MBP where, after about 3 days, my Mac will shutdown with a Kernel panic that requires multiple restarts.

Until then I could leave it running for several weeks and only reboot on occasions or to do updates.

 

[Sanpete]

I would think the ability to hard restart should always be available.

It is. What's missing is the choice to open your lid without restarting.

 

[Stewart Gooderman]

It is. What's missing is the choice to open your lid without restarting.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the terminology. The ability to not wake *from sleep* when you open up the cover has been unavailable for quite some time. Once upon a time, there was a utility that allowed you to implement that ability but eventually even that utility stopped implementing it, probably because in changes to the operating system. Restarting the machine, my understanding is a soft-restart of the entire operating system, and a hard restart is shutting the machine completely down and then turning the machine back on, re-running the operating system from scratch. Am I confused?

 

[Stewart Gooderman]

Can be, not always the case sadly.

Something in 12.3+ is causing issues for me on my 2020 MBP where, after about 3 days, my Mac will shutdown with a Kernel panic that requires multiple restarts.

Until then I could leave it running for several weeks and only reboot on occasions or to do updates.

I was getting something like that too. I found out it was caused by the latest upgrade to DefaultFolderX. Removed the utility and all the problems disappeared. In your case, something may have upgraded in the background and is incompatible with the system. Look at the crash log to see what's going on.

 

[TiggrToo]

I was getting something like that too. I found out it was caused by the latest upgrade to DefaultFolderX. Removed the utility and all the problems disappeared. In your case, something may have upgraded in the background and is incompatible with the says. Look at the crash log to see what's going on.

I did, it’s the WatchdogD that’s timing out and I believe it may have something to do with the monitors, cables or the dock. The dock and monitors I have no choice on, the cable I switched out to no avail.

I also uninstalled Duet as well, despite it having not updated for a while - just in case.

I keep reporting these to Apple in the hope it might trigger something…

 

[Stewart Gooderman]

I did, it’s the WatchdogD that’s timing out and I believe it may have something to do with the monitors, cables or the dock. The dock and monitors I have no choice on, the cable I switched out to no avail.

I also uninstalled Duet as well, despite it having not updated for a while - just in case.

I keep reporting these to Apple in the hope it might trigger something…

A search points to many different problems that could be causing this. Unfortunately this is beyond my expertise. But it does point out why I like to refresh the system every day. Perhaps a trip to Apple's Genius Bar is in order?

 

[TiggrToo]

A search points to many different problems that could be causing this. Unfortunately this is beyond my expertise. But it does point out why I like to refresh the system every day. Perhaps a trip to Apple's Genius Bar is in order?

Nah, not going to waste time with a trip. Especially as it only happens at night, and I‘d bet dollars to donuts that if I unplugged everything and left just the clamshell open, then it would be fine.

It’ll get fixed one way or another.

 

[Jeven Stobs]

It goes to sleep, obviously. Or does it show where you left off if you open it again?
It just behaves like any other notebook in that regard.
Strange question.

 

[Jeven Stobs]

I recently bought an M1 Macbook Pro and hate the fact that it starts automatically when the lid is lifted even though it's been previously shut down. I would much prefer to power up the machine by pressing the power button. I've called Apple support and it seems that nobody has addressed this issue since I believe that users should be given the choice as to whether they want this feature or not. I wonder if a fix is possible and whether Apple can be convinced to offer it. After all choice is surely something that they will want their customers to have.

It’s a “feature” introduction in 2016, I believe.
You can disable this via a terminal command. Don’t just call Apple support for such a minor issue, the fq. Just search the internet for a fix.

 

[chabig]

I shut it off every night and restart it every morning. Why? To make sure that no corruptions have entered into the system

You can do what you want but your fear is unfounded. Modern macOS cannot become corrupted. Do you shut down your phone and watch too? I bet not.

 

[Stewart Gooderman]

Nah, not going to waste time with a trip. Especially as it only happens at night, and I‘d bet dollars to donuts that if I unplugged everything and left just the clamshell open, then it would be fine.

It’ll get fixed one way or another.

I know how annoying things like this can be. Good luck!

 

[Stewart Gooderman]

You can do what you want but your fear is unfounded. Modern macOS cannot become corrupted. Do you shut down your phone and watch too? I bet not

 

[TiggrToo]

Funny, I do the exact opposite that most people here are doing. I've been using Apple computers since the Apple //e days. I currently use a mid-2015 MacBook Pro I purchased in 2018 just before it was discontinued, and I shut it off every night and restart it every morning. Why? To make sure that no corruptions have entered into the system and secondary applications and add-ons are properly working. Several utilities I use do not update until I do a hard restart, so a restart guarantees all is fresh and fine.

Maybe the newer M1 machines don't need to do that but I would think the ability to hard restart should always be available.

Just as an FYI: the base OS filesystem since Big Sur is immutable and is only ever changed during OS updates. This is true on both Intel and M1 Macs.