Beginners question

[Stewart Gooderman]

Unfounded? I beg to disagree. When I was getting the Kernel Panic the minute the new version Default Folder X was loaded, obviously there was corruption suddenly going on. It happened so often that for awhile, the machine wouldn't even turn on. I then went into Recovery Mode, spend 6 hours downloading what needed to be done and found out that there was corruption in the basic System that required the machine to erased *twice* and loaded from scratch and my data returned from backup.

Unfounded? I beg to disagree.

iOS is not MacOS. And although I don't restart my iPhone every day, I do do it occasionally. It works better that way.

 

[Stewart Gooderman]

I don't think there is an operating system in existence that is totally incapable of being corrupted or becoming corrupted. Operating systems don't work in vacuums, you know.

 

[Stewart Gooderman]

Just as an FYI: the base OS filesystem since Big Sur is immutable and is only ever changed during OS updates. This is true on both Intel and M1 Macs.

That may be true, but the file system doesn't work in a vacuum. It interacts with external programs. I have had problems with starting my machine occasionally because of this. It doesn't mean that the basic system is at fault but the basic system is not what gets one's work done. It's the programs that interact with it that does. Personally, I have a hard time separating the two, maybe because I go back to the bad old says of System 7 and beyond where you used to update your Mac with clutched pearls praying it would start after an upgrade

 

[TiggrToo]

That may be true, but the file system doesn't work in a vacuum. It interacts with external programs. I have had problems with starting my machine occasionally because of this. It doesn't mean that the basic system is at fault but the basic system is not what gets one's work done. It's the programs that interact with it that does. Personally, I have a hard time separating the two, maybe because I go back to the bad old says of System 7 and beyond where you used to update your Mac with clutched pearls praying it would start after an upgrade

Oh I understand - whenever I get that Kernel panic I have to do a SMC reset, followed by a Safe boot then shutdown before I can use the Mac safely again.

That said, all those issues are on the User side of the OS and this has been a guaranteed way to bring it up again.

 

[Sanpete]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the terminology. The ability to not wake *from sleep* when you open up the cover has been unavailable for quite some time. Once upon a time, there was a utility that allowed you to implement that ability but eventually even that utility stopped implementing it, probably because in changes to the operating system. Restarting the machine, my understanding is a soft-restart of the entire operating system, and a hard restart is shutting the machine completely down and then turning the machine back on, re-running the operating system from scratch. Am I confused?

Your terminology is good. The M1 machines automatically start when you open the lid when they're shut down. You can no longer open the lid and have it remain off, whether it's sleeping or shut down.

It’s a “feature” introduction in 2016, I believe.
You can disable this via a terminal command. Don’t just call Apple support for such a minor issue, the fq. Just search the internet for a fix.

Only for Intel models, not for M1.

 

[DHagan4755]

Just as an FYI: the base OS filesystem since Big Sur is immutable and is only ever changed during OS updates. This is true on both Intel and M1 Macs.

Yup through SIP (System Integrity Protection).

 

[TiggrToo]

Only for Intel models, not for M1.

I believe csrutil disable works on both Intel and M1 Macs (in recovery mode).

However the /usr/bin file system is still locked down either way on Big Sur and above.

 

[Sanpete]

I believe csrutil disable works on both Intel and M1 Macs (in recovery mode).

However the /usr/bin file system is still locked down either way on Big Sur and above.

I think you're talking about another point. I'm talking about disabling the auto-boot on lid open.

 

[Cram]

Your terminology is good. The M1 machines automatically start when you open the lid when they're shut down. You can no longer open the lid and have it remain off, whether it's sleeping or shut down.

Forgive the daft question, but why would anyone not want their MacBook to start when they lift the lid? Why else would you lift the lid? To admire the keyboard perhaps?

 

[Sanpete]

Forgive the daft question, but why would anyone not want their MacBook to start when they lift the lid? Why else would you lift the lid? To admire the keyboard perhaps?

For cleaning, has been a common reason given. Another case I've seen is where you're required to turn off all electronic devices and they require you to open the lid to show it's off.

 

[Cram]

For cleaning, has been a common reason given. Another case I've seen is where you're required to turn off all electronic devices and they require you to open the lid to show it's off.

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