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transmaster

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Crutchfield has a good selection of AVR's I favor Yamaha, but Denon, and Marantz are good. These home theater receivers have Bluetooth Airplay2, ethernet, Bluetooth, Alexa, the Alexa part enables you to control the AVR via an echo Dot, or any of the Alexa devices. Plus is has all of the latest Dolby formats, Like my Yamaha it will play Apple music Atoms. Your Apple TV will plug right into on of it HDMI for or connect via wifi. You TV plugs into output HDMI. you can also plug your computers in and they will play through the AVR. My Mac Studio and my Micro Lenovo PC is connected that way. on the front there is an HDMI port you can plug your laptop into. As much as I like the HomePod's they don't even come close to the sound put out by a 7.1 system.

Here is an example:

I failed to mention Yamaha updates the firmware on their Receivers periodically.
 

Gator5000e

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Just for some more to think about, here is a review by Caleb Dennison of Digital Trends who I feel is a very honest and credible reviewer. This review speaks about using the homepods as speakers for your TV system. I post this just for info and something to think about.

 
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MacMan2013

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Interesting review which certainly makes a pair of Homepods sound like quite an appealing option. If 2 Homepods can be a reasonable substitute for multiple speakers and costs only slightly more than a mid-ranging soundbar, then that could be a winner. The integration with my other Apple products is also a major advantage. I'll have to mull it over some more, but certainly a strong possibility.
 

HobeSoundDarryl

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OP, if you want HPs, get them. They are great for what they are. If you need group validation to support the purchase, you can easily get it in a thread like this and all over a very Apple-centric website. I think they sound great too.

However, again, HPs- no matter how good they are reviewed- are stereo at best. There are ZERO rumors of them ever becoming more than stereo. In the hop to a single new generation, Apple chose to not even let gen 2 stereo sync with gen 1. In a hypothetical hop to a surround sound HP gen 3 (or later), would Apple allow them to sync with gen 2? Or want everyone to re-buy yet again?

Stereo stopped being "best" for home theater in about 1991, with the arrival of Dolby Surround Sound systems for the home. You are the one who titled this thread. It's not what's the best option for speakers only from Apple (or is it)? You are seeking the best option for TV speaker.

If you want best sound, the non-HP advice offered in this thread will get you that. If cost is a big factor, you can start with the same base platform of (2) stereo speakers while retaining an ability to add to the non-HP options you've been offered over time. That's a great penny pinching way to eventually get to a full 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound system (or more).

The whole "integration" argument is tied to HP "smarts." You already have those same smarts in whatever other Apple stuff you have. For example, you have an AppleTV. It can fill in for HP-like smarts with whatever speakers you might choose here. Ask Siri (remote) to play something and it will... to whatever speakers you have attached now. If you have an iDevice, you have smarter-than-HP-smarts always with you, ready to do much more for you than HP smarts can do. If you have a Mac, it too is loaded with "smarts." I ask Siri to play my music playlists through my NOT-HP receiver hooked to "dumb" speakers regularly and it "just works" the same as it would work doing the same to only 2 HPs. I can order it to play in select rooms in my home and it "just works" too. Want it to play in all rooms? No problem. Hook AppleTV into ANY speakers and any of those existing "smarts" you already own can play anything on them from Apple.

If you opt to go the receiver route, choose one with Airplay 2 built in and it can independently handle anything you would Airplay from any other Apple stuff to HPs... playing on any number of speakers with a subwoofer that can deliver superior bass vs. HPs. Go the cheaper Sonos route and you can enjoy Apple Music just the same. It directly supports Apple Music as one of many dozens of platforms should you ever want to branch out from only Apple.

And again, I'll re-offer the biggest question: do you desire anything non-Apple that generates audio that you would like to hear on the same speakers? HPs are thoroughly locked down (not even an AUX port), heavily married to sources from Apple. Just about any other choice will be the opposite... "OPEN!"... which means you can mix any other source of video or audio in and have a way to enjoy audio on your best speakers too. Game console? Over the air free HD television? Cable? CD player? Blu Ray Player? Some friend wants to play something from their Android device for you? Windows PC? A rediscovery of lost music on an old iPod? Old Zune? Old discman? Old cassette player? Radio? Vinyl albums? Etc.

There's a LOT of video & audio sources one can enjoy/add without being inside the walled garden. Perhaps you are entirely inside that garden right now but any anticipation of ever adding anything outside the wall? Think of all of the electronics that provide audio that is not a Mac, iDevice or AppleTV. Maybe take a stroll through an AV superstore like Best Buy and think about whether you will ever buy any of the non-Apple sources of anything you can see in there. If that's a maybe for you, would you like to play the audio on your "good speakers?" Is locked-down HPs going to be able to do that for you? Hint: probably NOT.

Apple fans will keep pounding this thread with arguments for HPs. And again, I too think they are great speakers. I'm a near Apple-everything guy myself. But for this purpose as titled in your thread, you should carefully think about the present and the future to help you make a good decision. "Dumb" speakers can last 10-20 or more years, sounding as good in 2043 as they will in 2023. I suspect HPs purchased in 2023 will be made software obsolete by about 2028 or so. The speaker portions will still be just as good but the smarts- tied to a branch of tvOS- will probably be vintaged, pressing you to throw out perfectly-good speakers because a part on which they completely depend has been made obsolete by choices of a company that wants you to re-buy the same speakers again & again & again (like phones, tablets and Macs).

I encourage you to think carefully, do some objective research on this topic and choose wisely. No hurry. If that's 2 HPs, enjoy them. If that's something else, enjoy that. Unlike thousand dollar phones and multi-thousand dollar computers, this is a purchase that can be enjoyed 10-20 or more years from now with no loss in quality. Or not.
 
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transmaster

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OP, if you want HPs, get them. They are great for what they are. If you need group validation to support the purchase, you can easily get it in a thread like this and all over a very Apple-centric website. I think they sound great too.

However, again, HPs- no matter how good they are reviewed- are stereo at best. There are ZERO rumors of them ever becoming more than stereo. In the hop to a single new generation, Apple chose to not even let gen 2 stereo sync with gen 1.

Stereo stopped being "best" for home theater in about 1991, with the arrival of Dolby Surround Sound systems for the home. You are the one who titled this thread. It's not what's the best option for speakers only from Apple (or is it)? You are seeking the best option for TV speaker.

If you want best sound, the non-HP advice offered in this thread will get you that. If cost is a big factor, you can start with the same base platform of (2) stereo speakers while retaining an ability to add to the non-HP options you've been offered over time. That's a great penny pinching way to eventually get to a full 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound system (or more).

The whole "integration" argument is tied to HP "smarts." You already have those same smarts in whatever other Apple stuff you have. For example, you have an AppleTV. It can fill in for HP-like smarts with whatever speakers you might choose here. Ask Siri (remote) to play something and it will... to whatever speakers you have attached now. If you have an iDevice, you have smarter-than-HP-smarts always with you, ready to do much more for you than HP smarts can do. If you have a Mac, it too is loaded with "smarts." I ask Siri to play my music playlists through my NOT-HP receiver hooked to "dumb" speakers regularly and it "just works" the same as it would work doing the same to only 2 HPs. I can order it to play in select rooms in my home and it "just works" too. Want it to play in all rooms? No problem.

Hook AppleTV into ANY speakers and any of those existing "smarts" you already own can play anything on them from Apple. If you opt to go the receiver route, choose one with Airplay 2 built in and it can independently handle anything you would Airplay from any other Apple stuff to HPs... playing on any number of speakers with a subwoofer that can deliver superior bass vs. HPs. Go the cheaper Sonos route and you can enjoy Apple Music just the same. It directly supports Apple Music as one of many dozens of platforms should you ever want to branch out from only Apple.

And again, I'll re-offer the biggest question: anything non-Apple that generates audio that you would like to hear on the same speakers? HPs are thoroughly locked down (not even an AUX port), heavily married to sources from Apple. Just about any other choice will be the opposite... "OPEN!"... which means you can mix any other source of video or audio in and have a way to enjoy audio on your best speakers too. Game console? Over the air free HD television? Cable? CD player? Blu Ray Player? Some friend wants to play something from their Android device for you? Windows PC? A rediscovery of lost music on an old iPod? Old Zune? Old discman? Old cassette player? Vinyl albums? Etc.

There's a LOT of video & audio sources one can enjoy/add without being inside the walled garden. Perhaps you are entirely inside that garden right now but any anticipation of ever adding anything outside the wall? Think of all of the electronics that provide audio that is not a Mac, iDevice or AppleTV. Maybe take a stroll through an AV superstore like Best Buy and think about whether you will ever buy any of the non-Apple sources of anything you can see in there. If that's a maybe for you, would you like to play the audio on your "good speakers?" Is locked-down HPs going to be able to do that for you? Hint: probably NOT.

Apple fans will keep pounding this thread with arguments for HPs. And again, I too think they are great speakers. I'm a near Apple-everything guy myself. But for this purpose as titled in your thread, you should carefully think about the present and the future to help you make a good decision. "Dumb" speakers can last 10-20 or more years, sounding as good in 2043 as they will in 2023. I suspect HPs purchased in 2023 will be made software obsolete by about 2028 or so. The speaker portions will still be just as good but the smarts- tied to a branch of tvOS- will probably be vintaged, pressing you to throw out perfectly-good speakers because a part on which they completely depend has been made obsolete by choices of a company that wants you to re-buy the same speakers again & again & again (like phones, tablets and Macs).

I encourage you to think carefully, do some objective research on this topic and choose wisely. No hurry. If that's 2 HPs, enjoy them. If that's something else, enjoy that. Unlike thousand dollar phones and multi-thousand dollar computers, this is a purchase that can be enjoyed 10-20 or more years from now with no loss in quality. Or not.
Excellent advice. My advice does not come from the Apple world but real home theater experience. As much as I like My HP for music they do not really do the job that a full Dolby surround system can do. Even a modest 7.1 AVR will blow the doors off of a set of HP's. I know this because I have both systems sitting in from of me. They all have Airplay2 which is how you iPhone/iPad pairs up. A good AVR is conceptually on the same level as the My Mac Studio. I have my favored keyboard, a Keychron, a Samsung monitor, and a Logitech trackball. these all can be updated separately. With an AVR once you setup a set of surround speakers you are good to go for many years, but you can upgrade. I don't know how big you apartment is but a set of bookshelf sized speakers with a 8" powered subwoofer and you will have more sound than you will know what to do with. Start with a 2.1 system, a stereo pair and a subwoofer. Honestly this will cover most of you audio needs. Polk Audio, and Klipsch make very good speakers in this category, Personally I would lean in the direction of Polk Audio. I have owned Polk speakers for over 30 Years. But Klipsch rules with powered subwoofers.
 
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I had 2 homepod minis but they kept disconnecting and were pretty underwhelming tbh

Replaced them with a Sonos Beam 2 , great sound but quite fiddly set up ( it doesn't work with dual band wifi )
 

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But remember they are what we in the audio world call near field speakers, that is great to sit in front of at a desk or a few feet away but don't expect anything more.

Because of the HomePods's great bass I use them when I'm sitting at my desk, not in front, and they work quite well for background music.
 
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moyjoy

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I have the sonos arc and subwoofer in my open plan living/kitchen/dining room with high ceilings and both TV and music sound amazing. There are even times when I think something weird is happening in my house and it’s just the surround sound doing it’s thing.

before that I had a Yamaha YAS-209 (in a smaller open plan space) and I was blown away with the sound. I had gotten a Vizio bar with a new TV and was disappointed with the sound a took a chance on the Yamaha because Amazon prime had 2 hour delivery available for it lol. I didn’t actually want to give it up but I really needed the new one to be white in the new space and the Sonos was the only white one I could find at the time (super happy with it though!)
 
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JeffPerrin

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Interesting review which certainly makes a pair of Homepods sound like quite an appealing option. If 2 Homepods can be a reasonable substitute for multiple speakers and costs only slightly more than a mid-ranging soundbar, then that could be a winner. The integration with my other Apple products is also a major advantage. I'll have to mull it over some more, but certainly a strong possibility.
I agree with others that HomePods for home theater usage is a bit of a kludge, as they were designed as smart music-playing speakers, first and foremost. I've seen lots of complaints about the reliability of syncing these up with video...

Best "TV speaker" BY FAR is an AVR receiver + speakers (for expandability, longevity, & best sound)... or a sound bar (more compact, easy-to-use. Though be warned - NOT alway cheaper than an AVR package, however!)
 

mtbdudex

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Hmmm, lotta advice in this thread.
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I’ve read lots of books as audio / acoustics is my hobby.
Two books I suggest is read the left first.
You will learn both theory and application. It’s not a college math type, rather perfect for high school smarts.
Then read the book on the right.
Truly one must grasp psychoacoustics, the room / speaker / person interaction, and you can maximize your system.
 

chadamorrill

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I agree with others that HomePods for home theater usage is a bit of a kludge, as they were designed as smart music-playing speakers, first and foremost. I've seen lots of complaints about the reliability of syncing these up with video...
I have three TV's with AppleTV's in the house: two with 2x HP mini's and 1 with 2x HP 2nd gen's. I've seen zero synching issues with videos / movies / sports (like ESPN, etc).

The full-size HP's, of course, sound much, much better than the Mini's do, but from a connectivity / reliability front, the HP's have been, in my usage, a breeze compared to trying to keep the Sonos Beam + IKEA Sonos Bookshelf speakers all happy and playing nice.

Yes, the AV receiver and dedicated speakers I had previous to all of the above certainly sounded better in many areas, but I'm very happy with the sound the HP 2nd gen's are able to output. Additionally, in my opinion, the overall visual look in my family room is far superior than previously with our big old TV cabinet and receiver and speakers and cables and whatnot.
 

JeffPerrin

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I have three TV's with AppleTV's in the house: two with 2x HP mini's and 1 with 2x HP 2nd gen's. I've seen zero synching issues with videos / movies / sports (like ESPN, etc).
By "sync to video", I meant to refer to the dropped connectivity issue with the Apple TV like George Dawes mentioned above in post #32, not necessarily literal audio-to-video synchronization. (I think Apple has long sorted out any "lip-sync" issues, thankfully!)

Glad to hear your set-ups are all working out, though! 👍
 

moyjoy

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Hmmm, lotta advice in this thread.
5b69151f5e38e649341e6fc0fa2138ef.jpg


I’ve read lots of books as audio / acoustics is my hobby.
Two books I suggest is read the left first.
You will learn both theory and application. It’s not a college math type, rather perfect for high school smarts.
Then read the book on the right.
Truly one must grasp psychoacoustics, the room / speaker / person interaction, and you can maximize your system.

I should add I work in music. The goal for what sounds good in my house (which also has two walls that are floor to ceiling windows) is 'will the artist and/or engineer be happy with how their songs sound when they come over' LOL!

...also fully considering that if we're streaming we're at the mercy of the sound each streaming service allows us to receive.
 
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AL2TEACH

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Interesting review which certainly makes a pair of Homepods sound like quite an appealing option.
Yep, it was indeed but he didn't replace his sound setup with 2 homepods lol. Right about the ecosystem stuff. I tried using the 2 homepods as tv speakers and went back to what was used but I will have to set them up again and try the spatial audio this time to hear how much he fabricated or not lol.
See what you started, lol. Just curious but keep the forum up to date on which is winning this monumental battle for sound.
 

AL2TEACH

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If 2 Homepods can be a reasonable substitute
Might consider

The claim of delivering Atmos might be eh marketing maybe.
Can understand the ecosystem thing, if you have the lightbulbs and etc...I don't have the etc...just the lightbulbs and using the Home app does make a great dimmer switch, lol.
The size of your area will make a difference also.
 

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The most important thing for me after sound performance was everything all working off one remote, and relatively seamlessly. I’ve got an 15 year old Onkyo amp and a Boston Acoustics 5 speaker set with active sub. The amp is connected to the TV over HDMI on an ARC supported input. The Apple TV is plugged into the TV. It sounds great and everything works off the Apple TV remote. When you turn on the Apple TV it wakes up the TV and the amp. The volume on the amp goes up and down of the Apple TV remote. It all turns off with the Apple TV too.

I bought my mum a soundbar a while ago and its flakey as hell sometimes it turns on with the TV and sometimes not.

People are forever upgrading that kind of kit for no particular reason so the second hand market is full of great kit for very little money.
 
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I highly recommend a quality soundbar w sub, and an ARC setup.

As far as HomePods... I. Just. Can't. Decent to good sound, but what a cluster**** to manage.
 
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How were the HomePods a cluster**** for you?

I want speakers for more than just TV audio. I can't stand Apple Music ... use Spotify and SiriusXM... HopePods are useless for those services... and my only experience with HomePods was first gen and those sucked until they died, so, I just moved on and never looked back.

YMMV
 

chadamorrill

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I want speakers for more than just TV audio. I can't stand Apple Music ... use Spotify and SiriusXM... HopePods are useless for those services... and my only experience with HomePods was first gen and those sucked until they died, so, I just moved on and never looked back.

YMMV
Right but this statement is doesn't address being a "cluster to manage." Further, you mention AppleTV, so I assume you have one, and you must know that both SiriusXM and Spotify have AppleTV apps.

Now, if your experience managing the HP's were bad, I'd like to hear why, and maybe offer some suggestions to try and get them better. But it sounds like you've scrapped the whole thing. Which is fine. But you understand what I'm driving at here... The OP asked for advice, so let's focus on actual advice.
 
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