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Here's my setup:

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AkMp0ax8chb2jnX7IWPo1PWBCpcf

The Upstar monitors are a bit of a hit or miss, if you read the reviews on them, but mine seem to work well.

(Why I saved this in a TIFF is beyond me,) but here is the full size screen shot:
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AkMp0ax8chb2jnZYFS7gNqlNqL4i
Can you please explain what you have going on here with your setup to a newb? You have a 5K iMac in the middle with (2) 4K monitors ion each side? All the talk about settings and configuration above confused me, so how is your setup exactly configured and what if any issues are you dealing with?

Thanks, I'm looking for a setup like yours so I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting into
 
Can you please explain what you have going on here with your setup to a newb? You have a 5K iMac in the middle with (2) 4K monitors ion each side? All the talk about settings and configuration above confused me, so how is your setup exactly configured and what if any issues are you dealing with?

Thanks, I'm looking for a setup like yours so I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting into
No problem!
................Thunderbolt cable.........................Thunderbolt Cable
4K Monitor --------------------->2014 iMac 5K <------------------- 4K Monitor
3840x2160.............................5120x2880..............................3840x2160
60Hz.......................................................................................60Hz
I use Display Menu (available at the App Store) to change screen settings. Nice utility.
For Mission Control, I have "Displays have separate spaces" unchecked. My daughter has that checked. For me, it makes one huge monitor that I need to have with X-Plane.

Issues:
Like the others have said, there is a shift when going from one screen to another, but if you set them up with the same resolution, that goes away. I have found that having the side monitors in the 4K mode, and the center monitor in the 2880x1620 works best for me. When I load up X-Plane, it's critical that they're all in the 2560x1440 mode, as that eliminates the screen shift when flying.
The GPU can't handle running 13,000 pixels in X-Plane in the highest resolution. This doesn't mean that it doesn't try, but at 5-6fps, I'll be the last to know if I crash. Running it in the 2560x1440 puts it at about 20fps, and that's good enough for the flight training that I'm doing in a Cessna. If I were flying an SR71 10 feet off the ground, I'd want more fps, so I'd lower the resolution.
The main problem with the mixed resolutions, and it doesn't bother me that much, is when I have an Excel sheet that crosses the monitors. On one part, it's microfiche, and on the main monitor it's easy to read. What I usually do is put the sheet all the way over and full screen it on the one screen.

Good Stuff:
Having pretty much wrap around data. My daughter makes movies, so she has iMovie on one screen (right screen), her game on the center (iMac) screen, and Safari going on the 3rd screen (left one). When I log in, it's pretty much the same thing, except I don't play Animal Jam.

iMac is configuration (red stuff are things that are configurable at purchase):
AMD Radeon R9 M295X:
Chipset Model: AMD Radeon R9 M295X
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 4096 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x6938
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-C773AA-731
EFI Driver Version: 01.00.731
Metal: Supported
Displays:
iMac:
Display Type: Retina LCD
Resolution: 5120 x 2880 Retina
Retina: Yes
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Automatically Adjust Brightness: Yes
Built-In: Yes
M280A1:
Resolution: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
Pixel Depth: 30-Bit Color (ARGB2101010)
Display Serial Number: 124343243 (Odd... both monitors have the same S/N)
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported
Automatically Adjust Brightness: No
Connection Type: DisplayPort
Television: Yes
M280A1:
Resolution: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
Pixel Depth: 30-Bit Color (ARGB2101010)
Display Serial Number: 124343243
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported
Automatically Adjust Brightness: No
Connection Type: DisplayPort
Television: Yes

Hope that helps, and believe me, I was like you a year ago... there were arguments on whether it could/couldn't be done, and I asked, and people pointed me to the Apple specs (which said it couldn't be done), but then I remembered my 2008 iMac that Apple said the max is 4GB RAM, but there it is, 10 feet from me with 6GB.

Just loaded up X-Plane, and I need to tweak the settings... It's running at 50fps now!!! (look in upper left corner - oops... looked at picture and the top shelf stand is blocking the fps display):
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AkMp0ax8chb2jngJX8pvg4_jDOD-

If you have any questions, let me know. I like helping people out, and giving objective evidence to my statements.

Jeffy
 
No problem!
................Thunderbolt cable.........................Thunderbolt Cable
4K Monitor --------------------->2014 iMac 5K <------------------- 4K Monitor
3840x2160.............................5120x2880..............................3840x2160
60Hz.......................................................................................60Hz
I use Display Menu (available at the App Store) to change screen settings. Nice utility.
For Mission Control, I have "Displays have separate spaces" unchecked. My daughter has that checked. For me, it makes one huge monitor that I need to have with X-Plane.

Issues:
Like the others have said, there is a shift when going from one screen to another, but if you set them up with the same resolution, that goes away. I have found that having the side monitors in the 4K mode, and the center monitor in the 2880x1620 works best for me. When I load up X-Plane, it's critical that they're all in the 2560x1440 mode, as that eliminates the screen shift when flying.
The GPU can't handle running 13,000 pixels in X-Plane in the highest resolution. This doesn't mean that it doesn't try, but at 5-6fps, I'll be the last to know if I crash. Running it in the 2560x1440 puts it at about 20fps, and that's good enough for the flight training that I'm doing in a Cessna. If I were flying an SR71 10 feet off the ground, I'd want more fps, so I'd lower the resolution.
The main problem with the mixed resolutions, and it doesn't bother me that much, is when I have an Excel sheet that crosses the monitors. On one part, it's microfiche, and on the main monitor it's easy to read. What I usually do is put the sheet all the way over and full screen it on the one screen.

Good Stuff:
Having pretty much wrap around data. My daughter makes movies, so she has iMovie on one screen (right screen), her game on the center (iMac) screen, and Safari going on the 3rd screen (left one). When I log in, it's pretty much the same thing, except I don't play Animal Jam.

iMac is configuration (red stuff are things that are configurable at purchase):
AMD Radeon R9 M295X:
Chipset Model: AMD Radeon R9 M295X
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 4096 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x6938
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-C773AA-731
EFI Driver Version: 01.00.731
Metal: Supported
Displays:
iMac:
Display Type: Retina LCD
Resolution: 5120 x 2880 Retina
Retina: Yes
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Automatically Adjust Brightness: Yes
Built-In: Yes
M280A1:
Resolution: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
Pixel Depth: 30-Bit Color (ARGB2101010)
Display Serial Number: 124343243 (Odd... both monitors have the same S/N)
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported
Automatically Adjust Brightness: No
Connection Type: DisplayPort
Television: Yes
M280A1:
Resolution: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
Pixel Depth: 30-Bit Color (ARGB2101010)
Display Serial Number: 124343243
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported
Automatically Adjust Brightness: No
Connection Type: DisplayPort
Television: Yes

Hope that helps, and believe me, I was like you a year ago... there were arguments on whether it could/couldn't be done, and I asked, and people pointed me to the Apple specs (which said it couldn't be done), but then I remembered my 2008 iMac that Apple said the max is 4GB RAM, but there it is, 10 feet from me with 6GB.

Just loaded up X-Plane, and I need to tweak the settings... It's running at 50fps now!!! (look in upper left corner - oops... looked at picture and the top shelf stand is blocking the fps display):
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AkMp0ax8chb2jngJX8pvg4_jDOD-

If you have any questions, let me know. I like helping people out, and giving objective evidence to my statements.

Jeffy
Do you mind posting what the scaling options are on the 4K monitors? Specifically, I'm wondering if you can set them to 3200x1800, and if so how they look? That seams to be my preferred resolution (more screen real-estate) on the 5K.
 
Do you mind posting what the scaling options are on the 4K monitors? Specifically, I'm wondering if you can set them to 3200x1800, and if so how they look? That seams to be my preferred resolution (more screen real-estate) on the 5K.
Will do when I get home... it may be later tonight (PST). I have some appointments at my kids' school.


... @ Home... Yep, it is is possible to set all of the monitors (both 4K and 5K) to 3200x1800 using Display Menu.
 
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No problem!
................Thunderbolt cable.........................Thunderbolt Cable
4K Monitor --------------------->2014 iMac 5K <------------------- 4K Monitor
3840x2160.............................5120x2880..............................3840x2160
60Hz.......................................................................................60Hz
I use Display Menu (available at the App Store) to change screen settings. Nice utility.
For Mission Control, I have "Displays have separate spaces" unchecked. My daughter has that checked. For me, it makes one huge monitor that I need to have with X-Plane.

Issues:
Like the others have said, there is a shift when going from one screen to another, but if you set them up with the same resolution, that goes away. I have found that having the side monitors in the 4K mode, and the center monitor in the 2880x1620 works best for me. When I load up X-Plane, it's critical that they're all in the 2560x1440 mode, as that eliminates the screen shift when flying.
The GPU can't handle running 13,000 pixels in X-Plane in the highest resolution. This doesn't mean that it doesn't try, but at 5-6fps, I'll be the last to know if I crash. Running it in the 2560x1440 puts it at about 20fps, and that's good enough for the flight training that I'm doing in a Cessna. If I were flying an SR71 10 feet off the ground, I'd want more fps, so I'd lower the resolution.
The main problem with the mixed resolutions, and it doesn't bother me that much, is when I have an Excel sheet that crosses the monitors. On one part, it's microfiche, and on the main monitor it's easy to read. What I usually do is put the sheet all the way over and full screen it on the one screen.

Good Stuff:
Having pretty much wrap around data. My daughter makes movies, so she has iMovie on one screen (right screen), her game on the center (iMac) screen, and Safari going on the 3rd screen (left one). When I log in, it's pretty much the same thing, except I don't play Animal Jam.

iMac is configuration (red stuff are things that are configurable at purchase):
AMD Radeon R9 M295X:
Chipset Model: AMD Radeon R9 M295X
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 4096 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x6938
Revision ID: 0x0000
ROM Revision: 113-C773AA-731
EFI Driver Version: 01.00.731
Metal: Supported
Displays:
iMac:
Display Type: Retina LCD
Resolution: 5120 x 2880 Retina
Retina: Yes
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Automatically Adjust Brightness: Yes
Built-In: Yes
M280A1:
Resolution: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
Pixel Depth: 30-Bit Color (ARGB2101010)
Display Serial Number: 124343243 (Odd... both monitors have the same S/N)
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported
Automatically Adjust Brightness: No
Connection Type: DisplayPort
Television: Yes
M280A1:
Resolution: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
Pixel Depth: 30-Bit Color (ARGB2101010)
Display Serial Number: 124343243
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Rotation: Supported
Automatically Adjust Brightness: No
Connection Type: DisplayPort
Television: Yes

Hope that helps, and believe me, I was like you a year ago... there were arguments on whether it could/couldn't be done, and I asked, and people pointed me to the Apple specs (which said it couldn't be done), but then I remembered my 2008 iMac that Apple said the max is 4GB RAM, but there it is, 10 feet from me with 6GB.

Just loaded up X-Plane, and I need to tweak the settings... It's running at 50fps now!!! (look in upper left corner - oops... looked at picture and the top shelf stand is blocking the fps display):
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AkMp0ax8chb2jngJX8pvg4_jDOD-

If you have any questions, let me know. I like helping people out, and giving objective evidence to my statements.

Jeffy

Thank you VERY much!!! Really appreciate it!
 
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Thank you VERY much!!! Really appreciate it!
You're very welcome! I am very happy to help.

One thing I forgot to mention...
The Thunderbolt cables are just that: Thunderbolt cables.... not Thunderbolt 2 cables. I'm cheap, but not that cheap. Fry's didn't have the TB 2 cables, so I thought I'd just try the TB1 cable (and I thought I'd only get the 30Hz), but they worked.

Of course, YMMV.
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Thanks, totally jealous. Now I just need to find a way to sell it to my bosses...
You're very welcome. If anyone has any questions (even after this thread gets old), just ask!
 
@JeffyTheQuik Just wanted to say—this is amazing work and super informative! Thank you!

I am now left wondering about the possibility of running this config (5K iMac + dual 4K externals) on a base model 2014 iMac with the M290X (which is what I have, with upgraded RAM).

The M290X's 2GB VRAM vs the M295X's 4GB is certainly a huge weakness.

That said, according to Apple, a M290X iMac can technically support an external 5K display. Apple makes no differentiation between the 2014 iMac models.

1 5K external: 5120x2800 = 14,336,000 additional pixels.
2 4K external: 3840x2160x2 = 16,588,800 additional pixels.
Difference %: 16,588,800/14,336,000 = 1.1571428571

So to go from supporting a 5K external to 2 4K externals requires supporting ~16% more pixels.

It would be quite something if the base model 5K iMac I bought two years ago can support two 4K externals. If only I had 2 freely available to test :p
 
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@JeffyTheQuik Just wanted to say—this is amazing work and super informative! Thank you!

I am now left wondering about the possibility of running this config (5K iMac + dual 4K externals) on a base model 2014 iMac with the M290X (which is what I have, with upgraded RAM).

The M290X's 2GB VRAM vs the M295X's 4GB is certainly a huge weakness.

That said, according to Apple, a M290X iMac can technically support an external 5K display. Apple makes no differentiation between the 2014 iMac models.

1 5K external: 5120x2800 = 14,336,000 additional pixels.
2 4K external: 3840x2160x2 = 16,588,800 additional pixels.
Difference %: 16,588,800/14,336,000 = 1.1571428571

So to go from supporting a 5K external to 2 4K externals requires supporting ~16% more pixels.

It would be quite something if the base model 5K iMac I bought two years ago can support two 4K externals. If only I had 2 freely available to test :p
You're welcome!

If you do get a chance, let everyone know! Since I have gone to 3 monitors, the difference is huge! The V configuration (two monitors) vs. the (what do I call this...?) "U" configuration is pretty nice!
 
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