Interesting - can you shed some light / evidence on this?
AV software is a great target. It opens and parses untrusted files and runs with elevated privileges, which is the best combination when you're looking for software to attack.
Interesting - can you shed some light / evidence on this?
Oh, cool, can you post proof of this happening?Macs can get viruses just like any other computer don't let anyone fool you.
Technically @iPhonagain is incorrect. There are no 'viruses' for Mac OS operating systems.Oh, cool, can you post proof of this happening?
There are, however exploits that have been around for many years. To name a few of the publicly known actors:A computer virus is a type of computer program that, when executed, replicates itself by modifying other computer programs and inserting its own code. When this replication succeeds, the affected areas are then said to be "infected" with a computer virus.
Sure, here's couple of lists: https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/mac-viruses-list-3668354/Oh, cool, can you post proof of this happening?
I don't think that list can be used as a basis of proof. That list was likely written by someone who doesn't fully understand the distinction between "virus" and other types of malware.Sure, here's couple of lists: https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/mac-viruses-list-3668354/
So, no Mac viruses in the wild. Gotcha. Malware, Trojans, no virus.Sure, here's couple of lists: https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/mac-viruses-list-3668354/
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Do Apple Computers Get Viruses?
Information and reasons why Apple computers do get computer viruses and are still vulnerable to attacks.www.computerhope.com
Even the Malwarebytes site says so: "While it’s true Macs are more secure than PCs, they’re still vulnerable to viruses, and they always have been."![]()
Mac antivirus
Can Macs get viruses? Does my Mac need antivirus program? How can I tell if my Mac is infected with malware, ransomware, or adware? We’ve got the answers to these crucial questions and more.www.malwarebytes.com
Don't get me wrong, the Mac OS is probably the most immune to viruses that exists, but nothing is perfect.
Windows (any version) is the absolute worst, both for how many viruses exit on it and how hard it is to protect the OS or get a virus off of it. I work in IT and I only use Apple products at home because they are the most secure and the best quality that exists.
Would you agree that using proper terminology helps to alleviate misunderstanding? I feel that, especially in a security context, using proper terminology helps to narrow the field of focus and aid in troubleshooting efforts. A trojan and a virus are two different things, with different goals and payloads, yet I still see people stating that they have a "trojan horse virus" on their machine. I don't see it as the "semantic game", I see it as helping others understand. The "anti-virus" makers aren't going out of their way to help either.Seems like everyone on MR plays the same dumb semantics game when someone asks about "viruses". We all know the average person is not talking specifically about self-replicating malware at the exclusion of all others, but about security and malware more broadly. To cling to the narrowest possible definition of "virus" and then triumphantly declare that Macs don't get viruses as if this is actually meaningful in a security context is not useful or even honest.
The question was “best anti-virus”. The best one I use is none. Why add a vector if you don’t need to? Now, once there is a virus in the wild, I’ll add anti-virus to my Mac.Seems like everyone on MR plays the same dumb semantics game when someone asks about "viruses". We all know the average person is not talking specifically about self-replicating malware at the exclusion of all others, but about security and malware more broadly. To cling to the narrowest possible definition of "virus" and then triumphantly declare that Macs don't get viruses as if this is actually meaningful in a security context is not useful or even honest.
Macs and the 3rd party software that run on them are full of security vulnerabilities and always have been. Pick anything that handles untrusted data and you'll find a list of CVEs for it, whether it's a web browser, email client, wireless firmware, PDF reader, or anything else.
The question was “best anti-virus”. The best one I use is none. Why add a vector if you don’t need to? Now, once there is a virus in the wild, I’ll add anti-virus to my Mac.
My PCs all have anti-virus applications.
Would you agree that using proper terminology helps to alleviate misunderstanding? I feel that, especially in a security context, using proper terminology helps to narrow the field of focus and aid in troubleshooting efforts. A trojan and a virus are two different things, with different goals and payloads, yet I still see people stating that they have a "trojan horse virus" on their machine. I don't see it as the "semantic game", I see it as helping others understand. The "anti-virus" makers aren't going out of their way to help either.
My snarkometer hit 100% at "Macs can get viruses just like any other computer don't let anyone fool you."Why wait? They find all types of malware. I think they're fairly overrated on all platforms, but it's not like there's nothing out there for them to do.
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Wait! What use of anti-virus again?
I am okay with being accurate, but not if it's a disingenuous fanboy attempt to feel superior for not using Windows, which is the sense I get when I read the incessant bickering over virus vs malware. Someone asking if they need anti-virus is asking about whether it will provide value to them, the answer to which is not "No, there are no viruses for Macs".
Beware the hypocrite.I am okay with being accurate, but not if it's a disingenuous fanboy attempt to feel superior for not using Windows, which is the sense I get when I read the incessant bickering over virus vs malware.
AV software is a great target. It opens and parses untrusted files and runs with elevated privileges, which is the best combination when you're looking for software to attack.
OK so I understand this point in isolation. Has anyone seen any studies to try and determine is AV software is a net benefit or increases risk, considering both it is a target itself plus the functionality of it versus not having it. There may be enough data points to do this for researchers on Windows & Linux I guess but maybe not macOS, mainly due to scale.
I doubt there are any studies, but if your threat model is mass targeted malware, it's probably a benefit, even if not a very great one. This is generally not very sophisticated malware and not targeted at your systems specifically. A signature based system, which most AV is, is reasonably effective at catching it. If your threat model is skilled attackers targeting you, then it's more complicated and you need to plan for your AV to fail and/or be a target itself.
"Best virus software for Mac is common sense.". Is the same with windows, or in real life, but not all people think like you. Some people want to surf any web, try things o download anything. In real life for example we have extreme sports, and that is why safe equipment exist and in analogous, antimalware, antivirus in computers. Besides that, not all your family, for example your old parents, know how a computer works, so why don't have a safe solution for they.Best virus software for Mac is common sense.
Do not install browser extensions.
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Be wary of anything that is free.
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Mac OS has gatekeeper and Windows has Defender for real life. Any additional AV software allows root access and another path for bad actors to access your computer. Keeping one door protected is easier than keeping several.Is the same with windows, or in real life, but not all people think like you.