Beyond the M1 hype and why the fairy dust needs to settle.

[Kung gu]

What is SO great about the M1 macs?
They offer less than Windows counterparts. No real gaming support, no support for other OS natively, no touch and VERY VERY limited app compatibly. Sure its faster than i7 11th gen but AMD processors offer greater performance and around the same battery life as the M1.

The AMD Ryzen 7 4800U offers faster performance than an M1 Air/Pro and there are laptops that have that processor that are cheaper than the M1 Air with upgradable SSD and RAM.

Now with the SSD swap issue that Apple is quiet on is very serious IMO. I have an intel 16" MBP and I have written about 7TBW and I got this machine around January 2020 and I use this laptop very heavily everyday. The fact that I see people writing over 15TBW on their M1 macs that they got 5-6 months ago is very concerning.

All I am saying is look beyond the M1 hype and see that you are getting a computer with less features, no upgradeability and limited third party software. I say this because I see some people say the M1 Air is the best deal for an Ultrabook, I strongly disagree with that claim.
The reason the M1 macs seem so good is because the previous Macs were utter garbage in terms of specs and price to performance ratio.
Ever wonder why Rosseta 2 runs Intel software better on M1 macs than on intel macs is because those intel's that Apple replaced were not at all performant.
The M1 Air had a quad core i7 a weak one at that, the M1 Pro had a 8th gen i5/i7.

For $920 on the Windows side you can get a HP ENVY x360 with a FHD screen(1080p), Ryzen 7 4700U, 16GB RAM, a 256GB SSD(user upgradable) and a 1000 NITS display with touch. Click here to see HP Envy configure page. Yes it comes with Windows but Windows can do a LOT more than macOS can ever can.
The argument that macOS is better than Windows is no longer true as Windows vastly outperforms macOS in almost everyway. It's now even more obvious with the M1 macs.

I know I can't tell people what to buy or not, but people have been making extraordinary claims on YouTube, twitter and other social media
forums that M1 macs is the future and outperform most laptops and are the best value out there and I just wanted to clarify some points.

EDIT:
Ok I been researching the M1 more. It only consumes 15Watts max for the CPU alone. Thats very impressive.
The 4700U Ryzen costumes 40 watts max, not really as the spec sheet states which is 15watts. But after a while it comes to 15 watts.

Whereas the M1 goes up to 15Watts for the CPU only. NOW that is impressive. Can't wait for future Apple Sillicon now.

source for watt info: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16084/intel-tiger-lake-review-deep-dive-core-11th-gen/7

 

[robco74]

So far, Apple has done a far better job with architecture transitions than anyone. Look at the MS rollout of WoA and it's a disaster compared to what Apple has accomplished. The number of native apps was larger on launch day, and is growing at a pretty good pace - and we're still less than six months into the transition. Compare Rosetta 2 with the rather lackluster emulation MS provided. And how does virtualization work on the Surface Pro X? Oh, and how is gaming on it?

Speaking of, it's no secret that if you are a gamer, you go with Windows (if you can snag a GPU). That's been the case for some time now. But even there, the GPU in M1 performs quite well, while consuming considerably less power than an Intel or AMD chip. If you feel that Windows machines are a better value, then by all means, make the switch. I've generally found that the price difference over the life of the machine to be small enough to make the Mac worth it for me.

Of course, M1 is just the first SoC Apple has released for the Mac. More will follow. That they've managed to do this well compared to Intel and AMD - who have been doing this for decades now - is pretty impressive.

 

[Kung gu]

So far, Apple has done a far better job with architecture transitions than anyone. Look at the MS rollout of WoA and it's a disaster compared to what Apple has accomplished. The number of native apps was larger on launch day, and is growing at a pretty good pace - and we're still less than six months into the transition. Compare Rosetta 2 with the rather lackluster emulation MS provided. And how does virtualization work on the Surface Pro X? Oh, and how is gaming on it?

Speaking of, it's no secret that if you are a gamer, you go with Windows (if you can snag a GPU). That's been the case for some time now. But even there, the GPU in M1 performs quite well, while consuming considerably less power than an Intel or AMD chip. If you feel that Windows machines are a better value, then by all means, make the switch. I've generally found that the price difference over the life of the machine to be small enough to make the Mac worth it for me.

Of course, M1 is just the first SoC Apple has released for the Mac. More will follow. That they've managed to do this well compared to Intel and AMD - who have been doing this for decades now - is pretty impressive.

Some good points here, but MS never heralded the Surface Pro X as the future of Surface. MS still offers other laptops
with intel and AMD cpus, MS offers users choice and does not force people.

Apple needs to offer a better product than the surface pro X because if it does not its transition will be seen as a failure
but my point still stands Windows laptops still offers better value than M1 macs contrary to what most people saying otherwise.

 

[motulist]

trolling

Ahem, i think you need to re-read the quote from my man Inigo Montoya.

So far, Apple has done a far better job with architecture transitions than anyone. Look at the MS rollout of WoA and it's a disaster compared to what Apple has accomplished. The number of native apps was larger on launch day, and is growing at a pretty good pace - and we're still less than six months into the transition. Compare Rosetta 2 with the rather lackluster emulation MS provided. And how does virtualization work on the Surface Pro X? Oh, and how is gaming on it?

Speaking of, it's no secret that if you are a gamer, you go with Windows (if you can snag a GPU). That's been the case for some time now. But even there, the GPU in M1 performs quite well, while consuming considerably less power than an Intel or AMD chip. If you feel that Windows machines are a better value, then by all means, make the switch. I've generally found that the price difference over the life of the machine to be small enough to make the Mac worth it for me.

Of course, M1 is just the first SoC Apple has released for the Mac. More will follow. That they've managed to do this well compared to Intel and AMD - who have been doing this for decades now - is pretty impressive.

I've used Macs forever, but 2 years ago i decided to buy a wintel laptop instead, because mostly i interact with apps, not the OS. Well, i wound up returning it after a few weeks and going back to mac. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't as good as mac.

For example, the OS made all these noises that I didn't like whenever i did anything. So i figured I'd just turn them off, easy peasy. Nope, not easy peasy. Some of the interface sounds could be changed from the settings app, but some of the interface sound settings werent listed there. So i had to Google how to fix the problem and discovered that windows has TWO totally separate environments for setting preferences (Settings app and Control Panels app), with some options only present in settings app 1, while other settings are only present in settings app 2. Holy mother of God, that's a complete trainwreck of usability.

The other main problem was there was no way to search for menu items in an app like you can do with the Mac's "Help" searchbar that's built into every app. This turned out to be a big loss, because i use several very complex apps and i use the help searchbar to find menu items *constantly*.

Finally was the trackpad. On the Asus laptop the trackpad was ok, but was nowhere near as good as the trackpad on my MBP.

Anyway, the bottom line is that wintel machines are good, and if Macs didn't exist then they'd be fine computers. But Macs do exist, and in comparison to windows the Mac is just clearly superior. Imo, of course.

 

[Leon1das]

M1 is my first Mac after 17y of Windows.

Bought partially due M1 hype, but MOSTLY due segmented OEM market of Windows laptops...

Buying Windows laptop is like going for groceries with the list that wife gave you. There is a high chance one prefered component will not be on available - and you will have to settle for less... (CPU, or ammount of RAM, screen quality, battery)..

AMD 4800U/H and 4900H/HS launch availability in the top OEM segment was nowhere - probably killed by the existing OEM contracts with Intel.

Finally, product could still have issues - coil whine, backlight bleed etc. Good luck in replacing customized OEM product!! You would wait for months...

Finally - price you stated above is still not attractive. For 700 USD - maybe...
- M1 Mac has better res
- 4800U is indeed comparative to M1 - but try packing Nvidia 1650 in Windows ultrabook (which is comparator to M1 GPU 8-core).
- Battery on M1 Mac is better
- All iOS apps work on M1 Mac (sideloaded)
- M1 can already run W10 on Arm faster then any dedicated W10 on Arm device... and WoA exexutes x86/x64 code from recent builds...
- No Win device can run BigSur..
- Mac is more hardware-integrated device and has better QC than any Windows OEM, except for Samsung (but they dont sell their Win laptops worldwide).

So:

Buying Windows laptop: weeks of search and reviews for the ideal device, narrowing it to 1-2 and realizing your desired conf is out of stock. Price: expensive..

Buying M1 Mac: going to the store and picking it up. Everything best is already inside.. Base MBA has the best value/money in the laptop market...

 

[Jorbanead]

Depending on your usage, the M1 is definitely better than AMD ryzen.

M1 Geekbench Single-core: 1700
ryzen 4800U Geekbench Single core: 1032

M1 Cinebench Single-core: 1514
ryzen 4800U Cinebench Single Core: 1235

Both Cinebench and Geekbench show faster single core speeds for the M1. The ryzen cinebench multi-score is higher than the M1, but the M1 Geekbench muti is higher than the ryzen, so it seems it varies depending on your use case. Plus the M1 doesn't use a fan in our comparison here. (That being said, that CPU comparison website doesn't account for which M1 is being tested - as it varies between the mini, air, and pro). However, the M1 isn't just about the raw processing power. Security, audio and video decoding and encoding, secure enclave, integrated memory shared with a gpu, higher SSD speeds, and 16 machine learning cores all on 10W of power contribute to the excitement of apples new series of chips.

There is also the other argument about the software and eco system involved. I don't use mac just for the hardware. I use it because its connected to my ecosystem of apple products. I also use mac because I enjoy mac OS more than windows and I use apple software which I wouldn't be able to use on windows. The reason I bring all of this up, is because its not just about numbers on a performance benchmark. Its about practicality on specific apps and features that are just better imo with apple. Thats fine if that doesn't mean much to you, but this is why we are excited about the M1 products. It's the performance, tied to the hardware, tied to the software all on the arm architecture.

Did you actual spec out that HP laptop to match the specs of the M1 MacBook air?

1. M1 Macbook Air, 256gb SSD, Mac OS Free, 8gb RAM, 2560-by-1600 P3 retina display, wifi 6 = $999
2. HP Envy x360, ryzen 4700U, 256gb SSD, 8gb RAM, 1920-by-1080 display, wifi 6 = $959

So an extra $40 for a much better display, better gpu performance, machine learning cores, audio and video decoding and encoding, no fans, apples superior OS and connection to their entire ecosystem. Thats good to me.

Even more importantly, the M1 macs are not the full story. The excitement here is that the M1 chip is literally just the beginning of what Apple has in store for mac. For me, I'm more excited about what's next for apple silicon. If the M1 is the very first mac chip, and its already great competition with AMD, I'm excited to see where Apple goes since not only do they control the chip, but they can control the integration between chip, hardware, and software better than AMD or Intel ever could on x86.

 

[slooksterPSV]

What is SO great about the M1 macs?
They offer less than Windows counterparts. No real gaming support, no support for other OS natively, no touch and VERY VERY limited app compatibly. Sure its faster than i7 11th gen but AMD processors offer greater performance and around the same battery life as the M1.

The performance, less heat, no fans. Its amazing how optimized the M1s are - especially for being a Gen 1 product. I love AMD don't get me wrong, but the M1 is running circles around the previous Intel Macs.

All I am saying is look beyond the M1 hype and see that you are getting a computer with less features, no upgradeability and limited third party software. I say this because I see some people say the M1 Air is the best deal for an Ultrabook, I strongly disagree with that claim.
The reason the M1 macs seem so good is because the previous Macs were utter garbage in terms of specs and price to performance ratio.
Ever wonder why Rosseta 2 runs Intel software better on M1 macs than on intel macs is because those intel's that Apple replaced were not at all performant.
The M1 Air had a quad core i7 a weak one at that, the M1 Pro had a 8th gen i5/i7.

Not true. Because the systems are coupled together, you chose what fit your needs. The air can accomplish a lot, but the Pro can do it longer because of a better cooling system. The Intel's throttled a lot. The M1, I'm only charging it every other day - which no other laptop I've owned has ever come with that type of battery performance. You don't understand how architecture translation works, so I recommend looking into Big Endian versus Little Endian. It may give you a better idea of how difficult it can be to translate something as simple as abc => def. It's quite the feat that Apple has pulled off with Rosetta 2.

... Yes it comes with Windows but Windows can do a LOT more than macOS can ever can.
The argument that macOS is better than Windows is no longer true as Windows vastly outperforms macOS in almost everyway. It's now even more obvious with the M1 macs.

Do a lot more in what regards? Gaming? Sure. PCs are a main staple of gaming. App development, web development, photography, illustrations, etc.? No. Apple has those apps. Game development? No. Apple has those too - see Unity and Unreal Engine. Its really user preference.

I know I can't tell people what to buy or not, but people have been making extraordinary claims on YouTube, twitter and other social media
forums that M1 macs is the future and outperform most laptops and are the best value out there and I just wanted to clarify some points.

Well everyone has their own opinion. I hope AMD dominates the x86 market, but I believe, for the direction the industry is going, x86 will decline in the next 5-10 years - due to heat and energy requirements. ARM on the other hand, powers more devices in the world than people realize - since they use less energy, output less heat, and has an open-standard that doesn't require paying to use the x86 instruction set. Yes Intel has licenses on the x86 instruction set that AMD and other companies have to pay to use.

While I understand your argument, I can agree on some points or others. I enjoy the keyboard and trackpad on my Mac. It makes the experience amazing! I've used the $1000 gaming computers and think most of them have garbage keyboards and trackpads. Sound is another issue too. I have a Legion GL75 and the speakers are terrible! I paid $800 for that gaming laptop and the speakers sound that bad?! Yet I have a thin lightweight laptop with all day battery that sounds amazing, performs great, and is a joy to use. That's just me though.

I think if you take a look into the industry outside of Windows and look into other computing systems you'll find a lot more valuable information. Look into RISC-V, look into PinePhone, PineBook, Librem Pure, System76, etc. There are tons of alternatives out there. If you don't like macOS or the price, then maybe there's something else out there for you. Use what works for you. In the mean time, I have high hopes for Apple and its custom SoCs. I think they'll really put the market at a combat standpoint that will generate better practices and features in terms of hardware and software. Until then, AMD is killing it thanks to Lisa Su and her team of amazing engineers. Intel is scrambling to fix their issues, and Apple is trying to move into more of a core/unified system as most their apps have already done to function together. Microsoft is almost there, but not quite.

 

[Kung gu]

HP Envy x360, ryzen 4700U, 256gb SSD, 8gb RAM, 1920-by-1080 display, wifi 6 = $959

No its actually 16GB RAM and 1000nit display and its $920.
Click here to see HP Envy configure page

 

[Jorbanead]

No its actually 16GB RAM and 1000nit display and its $920.
Click here to see HP Envy configure page

That link doesn't show me what you have built. I was comparing to the baseline MacBook air which has 8gb of ram. You have to add on wifi 6, 256 gb of storage, windows pro (To access all the features of windows, which you don't have to do on mac), 1000nit display (which is only 1920x1080 so I don't see why you think thats a better display?), I get $959

And again, the mac has a better display, better gpu performance, machine learning cores, hardware accelerated audio and video decoding and encoding, no fans, apples superior OS and connection to their entire ecosystem. Thats good to me.

 

[kode54]

Oh yes, here's some fancy comparison figures:

Processor Comparison - Head 2 Head

Apple M1 vs AMD Ryzen 7 4800U - Benchmarks, Tests and Comparisons

www.notebookcheck.net

Note how the 4800U is using 49 watts of power under Cinebench R15 load, while the M1 is using 27 watts.

 

[mi7chy]

Bought into the hype and M1 turned out kind of meh and feels like a beta product with so many issues. I'd get the AMD 5800U if I didn't already have the 4650U which has none of the issues M1 has and only $500 for Lenovo Yoga 6. Probably should just wait for the 5nm 6800U hopefully with AV1 hardware decoding/encoding.

 

[Kung gu]

That link doesn't show me what you have built. I was comparing to the baseline MacBook air which has 8gb of ram. You have to add on wifi 6, 256 gb of storage, windows pro (To access all the features of windows, which you don't have to do on mac), 1000nit display (which is only 1920x1080 so I don't see why you think thats a better display?), I get $959

And again, the mac has a better display, better gpu performance, machine learning cores, hardware accelerated audio and video decoding and encoding, no fans, apples superior OS and connection to their entire ecosystem. Thats good to me.

Take a look at the attached pic below. This is what I configured.

 

[Jorbanead]

Take a look at the attached pic below. This is what I configured.
View attachment 1755165

And this is what I configured (I added the black option but taking that off gets it to my original price). Were bickering on literally $30? Even if the HP was $800 total I still think display, gpu, ML, A/V decoding and encoding, no fans, OS and ecosystem more than make up for the difference.

 

[Kung gu]

And this is what I configured (I added the black option but taking that off gets it to my original price). Were bickering on literally $30? Even if the HP was $800 total I still think display, gpu, ML, A/V decoding and encoding, no fans, OS and ecosystem more than make up for the difference.

Ahh I see you added Windows 10 Pro as your option. I did not add Windows 10 Pro but instead chose 16Gb memory

 

[Jorbanead]

Ahh I see you added Windows 10 Pro as your option.

Yes I said that in my post above and my reasoning for doing so. You also have to add WiFi 6 with better Bluetooth. At the end of the day, I don’t use Windows and I have no intention of using Windows. I spent $3,000K on a killer Windows machine a few years ago and I hated the experience compared to my older MacBook Pro. I’m staying with Mac OS.

 

[leman]

They offer less than Windows counterparts. No real gaming support, no support for other OS natively, no touch and VERY VERY limited app compatibly.

If these are the things you care about, yes, you should definitely get a Windows machine. Should be a no-brainer really. Point is, not everyone wants cares about these things.

Now, I do care about gaming but I care more about performance, and with M1 already outperforming my Intel i9 for the work I do, it's also a no brainer. Besides, virtually all games I care about run on M1.

Sure its faster than i7 11th gen but AMD processors offer greater performance and around the same battery life as the M1.

The AMD Ryzen 7 4800U offers faster performance than an M1 Air/Pro and there are laptops that have that processor that are cheaper than the M1 Air with upgradable SSD and RAM.

Ryzen mobile CPUs have poor single-threaded performance with limits their usability. They do well in multithreaded benchmarks because they have twice as many processing cores and use 2-3 times more power. In a sustained workload scenario, a 15W M1 is singlificantly faster than a 15W 4800U despite the alters core advantage. And let's not even talk about the GPU performance or battery life.

Besides... where do you even buy a 4800U these days? It mostly exists on paper only.

For $920 on the Windows side you can get a HP ENVY x360 with a FHD screen(1080p), Ryzen 7 4700U, 16GB RAM, a 256GB SSD(user upgradable) and a 1000 NITS display with touch

Then go get the Envy if that's your preference. It's great that one has a choice, right?

Of course, at this price level, most users will probably prefer the M1 MacBook Air, with it's much better performance, superior display, silent operation, Thunderbolt, twice as long real-world battery life and superior build quality.

I know I can't tell people what to buy or not, but people have been making extraordinary claims on YouTube, twitter and other social media
forums that M1 macs is the future and outperform most laptops and are the best value out there and I just wanted to clarify some points.

Those people are right. M1 laptops offer an unprecedented combination of performance, battery life and responsiveness. You are not clarifying anything, you are cherrypicking while ignoring the facts. Already your claim that Ryzen laptops offer the same battery life holds no scrutiny.

 

[mi7chy]

Take a look at the attached pic below. This is what I configured.
View attachment 1755165

Why not the HP ProBook x360 435 G8 with Ryzen 5000U?

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-probook-x360-435-g8-notebook-pc-customizable-28m89av-mb

 

[quarkysg]

Even more importantly, the M1 macs are not the full story. The excitement here is that the M1 chip is literally just the beginning of what Apple has in store for mac. For me, I'm more excited about what's next for apple silicon. If the M1 is the very first mac chip, and its already great competition with AMD, I'm excited to see where Apple goes since not only do they control the chip, but they can control the integration between chip, hardware, and software better than AMD or Intel ever could on x86.

Agree.

Somehow tho. it looks to me that existing software even native M1 ones, have barely scratched the surface in terms of unleashing the M1's capability. Take for example Cinebench R23, it's probably heavily optimised for the AVX instruction for the x86 CPUs. I think a lot of jaws will drop if/when it is coded to use the M1 NPU cores. As it is, the M1 is already holding its own using pure CPU cycles.

With upcoming Mx SoCs, it will only get faster.

 

[leman]

Why not the HP ProBook x360 435 G8 with Ryzen 5000U?

https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/pdp/hp-probook-x360-435-g8-notebook-pc-customizable-28m89av-mb

Because those are more expensive and he is trying to "make a point"

 

[leman]

Take for example Cinebench R23, it's probably heavily optimised for the AVX instruction for the x86 CPUs.

Cinebench is weird, since it's CPU utilization is poor. It's a decent stress test, but probably not the best benchmark of CPU performance as it fails to properly saturate the CPU.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1328777333512278020

 

[quarkysg]

Cinebench is weird, since it's CPU utilization is poor.

Interesting. Wonder if the same is true for x86 CPUs.

 

[throAU]

What is SO great about the M1 macs?
They offer less than Windows counterparts. No real gaming support, no support for other OS natively, no touch and VERY VERY limited app compatibly. Sure its faster than i7 11th gen but AMD processors offer greater performance and around the same battery life as the M1.

They run macOS games better than Intel Macs, they have 2x the battery life, less heat, can run passively cooled and much better performance.

Sounds like you're talking about using one to run Windows?


Even 240 GB SSDs from 5-10 years ago can survive until multiple PB written.

 

[Andrea Filippini]

What is SO great about the M1 macs?
They offer less than Windows counterparts. No real gaming support, no support for other OS natively, no touch and VERY VERY limited app compatibly. Sure its faster than i7 11th gen but AMD processors offer greater performance and around the same battery life as the M1.

The AMD Ryzen 7 4800U offers faster performance than an M1 Air/Pro and there are laptops that have that processor that are cheaper than the M1 Air with upgradable SSD and RAM.

Now with the SSD swap issue that Apple is quiet on is very serious IMO. I have an intel 16" MBP and I have written about 7TBW and I got this machine around January 2020 and I use this laptop very heavily everyday. The fact that I see people writing over 15TBW on their M1 macs that they got 5-6 months ago is very concerning.

All I am saying is look beyond the M1 hype and see that you are getting a computer with less features, no upgradeability and limited third party software. I say this because I see some people say the M1 Air is the best deal for an Ultrabook, I strongly disagree with that claim.
The reason the M1 macs seem so good is because the previous Macs were utter garbage in terms of specs and price to performance ratio.
Ever wonder why Rosseta 2 runs Intel software better on M1 macs than on intel macs is because those intel's that Apple replaced were not at all performant.
The M1 Air had a quad core i7 a weak one at that, the M1 Pro had a 8th gen i5/i7.

For $920 on the Windows side you can get a HP ENVY x360 with a FHD screen(1080p), Ryzen 7 4700U, 16GB RAM, a 256GB SSD(user upgradable) and a 1000 NITS display with touch. Click here to see HP Envy configure page. Yes it comes with Windows but Windows can do a LOT more than macOS can ever can.
The argument that macOS is better than Windows is no longer true as Windows vastly outperforms macOS in almost everyway. It's now even more obvious with the M1 macs.

I know I can't tell people what to buy or not, but people have been making extraordinary claims on YouTube, twitter and other social media
forums that M1 macs is the future and outperform most laptops and are the best value out there and I just wanted to clarify some points.

There is no chance that I will come back to Windows after a decade using macOS.
A couple years ago I bought a tower PC to replace the iMac late 2009, unusable due to burned screen.
Despite the specs dramatically more powerful (quad-core cpu, faster ram frequency, powerful gpu, NVMe PCIe SSD) the PC ran like ****: boot up in more than one minute (with empty storage), two tabs of Chrome and fans started to make noise, CPU went to 110% with a 1080p YT video, connectivity issues...
I returned the PC the day after. Supplier changed the PC for free with another equivalent. Same ****. I chose refund. No more Windows.
I have replaced the iMac screen and the storage. Nowadays it's a great and fast machine.
This preamble to say that make comparisons using merely technical specs is strongly misleading.

 

[CMMChris]

They offer less than Windows counterparts

Wrong, price performance ratio is better.

No real gaming support

Wrong. Pretty much all recent 64-Bit Games work. Emulators work. Hell, you can even play some Windows games via virtualization. Mac game studios have already announced to deliver on M1 support.

no support for other OS natively

Again wrong. Apple supports booting custom kernels natively and with Asahi Linux there already is a Linux port in the works making use of exactly that.

no touch

Who needs touch? I don't. Somebody who does can feel free to buy the Windows alternatives. What's wrong about that?

VERY VERY limited app compatibly

No idea what you are talking about there. It's WRONG! The large majority of macOS apps works flawlessly and a ton is native already.

Now with the SSD swap issue that Apple is quiet on is very serious IMO

There is no SSD swap issue. Just some kind of SSD trashing issue caused by some applications doing excessive write on the SSD. Swap is not the issue. That however is not a problem of macOS it seems and just a small amount of people is affected by it.

The reason the M1 macs seem so good is because the previous Macs were utter garbage in terms of specs and price to performance ratio.

That's what I agree with.

For $920 on the Windows side you can get a HP ENVY x360 with a FHD screen(1080p)

Talking utter garbage...

The argument that macOS is better than Windows is no longer true as Windows vastly outperforms macOS in almost everyway

macOS has never been better than Windows, Windows has never been better than macOS. They are different OSes and as such cater different tastes. Just use what you love and stop bashing the other. I for myself prefer macOS but do also use Windows and I cannot confirm that Windows is faster. It's quite the opposite for me. If your experience is different, that's great for you.

 

[Dockland]

Because those are more expensive and he is trying to "make a point"

Oh, a flame war, here on a MAC-forum.
Both are good, but I'll still have issues running iMessage, Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro natively on my Windows/Linux machines. That's the deal breaker for me.