Big Sur possible release date

[honestone33]

Yea I do run maintenance regularly. I can't seem to find an adblocker to play nice with Safari under Catalina. I do like Brave but keep coming back to Safari. When you set it as the default browser, what's the biggest problems you've had?

Just out of curiosity, what "kind" of maintenance do you perform, and what software, if any, you use? Disk cleanup is definitely important also.

I rarely, if ever, have issues with Brave. If I do, they seem to be more site-related. I also, on occasion, use Opera for a specific reason, and have no issues also.

 

[ivnj]

Also if they were to say 100% that every single year it will be a new macOS on November the 9th or some date, then they get hate if they have to delay it even just a few days, even if everyone is better off for them delaying things slightly and fixing things up. - If Apple needs 8 betas you get it after 8. If they need 14 betas you get it after 14. It is roughly the same time every year, but there’s enough flexibility to try and **** the best product they can and not ship before it’s ready. Of course one can argue that that still happens, but that’s a different debate

Never though of it like that. I just thought it would be cool to know exactly when. Tired of guessing when it might be out. Or if its time to upgrade or not. I hate buying and then few months later a new model is out right after its too late to return. I got the 2014 Mac mini 2.6ghz 8gb ram 1tb hdd (not ssd) for $368.98 after trade-ins on October 30th 2018. Not bad but still few months later a new model came out. Would of been cheap too but did not know new ones were coming soon.

 

[ww1971]

I firmly believe that Mac OS big sur won’t be released until November 17 or thereafter.

 

[casperes1996]

Never though of it like that. I just thought it would be cool to know exactly when. Tired of guessing when it might be out. Or if its time to upgrade or not. I hate buying and then few months later a new model is out right after its too late to return. I got the 2014 Mac mini 2.6ghz 8gb ram 1tb hdd (not ssd) for $368.98 after trade-ins on October 30th 2018. Not bad but still few months later a new model came out. Would of been cheap too but did not know new ones were coming soon.

With a lot of their hardware you can sort of guesstimate it somewhat well. Not precise timings but a span of “is it soon or far from now”. But this thread was more about software like Big Sur, where all of this doesn’t really matter.
On the hardware front I get that it can suck to buy something just before something new is announced. I can recommend MacRumour’s Buyer’s Guide on that front. Their Buy, Neutral, Don’t Buy ratings usually match the product cycles fairly well.

 

[dizmonk]

Just out of curiosity, what "kind" of maintenance do you perform, and what software, if any, you use? Disk cleanup is definitely important also.

I rarely, if ever, have issues with Brave. If I do, they seem to be more site-related. I also, on occasion, use Opera for a specific reason, and have no issues also.

It's mainly running the Disk Utility. I don't know if it's the late 2013 iMac or what else I'm doing wrong but ever since upgrading to Catalina I routinely get problems with adblocking programs and the browser. Opera and Brave function the best but Safari is the most problematic.

I know I've seen stuff about Safari on Big Sur but I'm wondering what the big differences are going to be? And am I going to have the same (or worse) problems with adblocking?

 

[IowaLynn]

Clean install use to be essential. I got lazy but with Catalina, time to do one. No issues. Safari was good too. AdBlock Pro knocks down all ads. Only 3rd party browser MS Edge because I also use Windows, and refuse to use Chrome.

using CCC anddoing erase + restore was the only real main ten episodes and even that rarely used.

something else must be going on.

 

[IowaLynn]

I am looking to buy a new Mac between now and... end of year maybe January and right now a lot of models don’t ship until mid November - mean anything?

 

[magicschoolbus]

Cant wait! Really looking forward to this update.

 

[honestone33]

It's mainly running the Disk Utility. I don't know if it's the late 2013 iMac or what else I'm doing wrong but ever since upgrading to Catalina I routinely get problems with adblocking programs and the browser. Opera and Brave function the best but Safari is the most problematic.

I know I've seen stuff about Safari on Big Sur but I'm wondering what the big differences are going to be? And am I going to have the same (or worse) problems with adblocking?

When you "upgraded" to Catalina, what OS did you "upgrade" from? And did you do a clean, fresh installation of Catalina, or did you just upgrade in place? Myself I did a clean, fresh installation. No issues at all.

Disk Utility is not bad, but it would be good if you do some disk cleanup on your own. Also, the excellent free program Onyx is a solid, reliable performer:

Titanium Software | Operating System Utilities for Mac - OnyX

OnyX is a multifunction utility that you can use to verify the startup disk and the structure of its system files; run cleaning and computer maintenance tasks; configure some hidden parameters of many Apple applications; and more.

www.titanium-software.fr

Notice that link is specifically for Catalina, and it is the latest version of Onyx. As usual, I did my additional weekly disk cleanup/maintenance/repair, and backup, tasks yesterday on both of my Macs running the latest version of Catalina, OS 10.15.7, and that new version of Onyx, as expected, functioned flawlessly. I also use the excellent commercial program Tech Tool Pro for more extensive cleanup/maintenance and (rarely ever happens, but good to check) repairs.

Is there a specific reason why you use Safari? I see no need for it, and I do not have issues with Brave, Firefox, Google Chrome, or Opera, although I use Brave about 98% of the time, Opera for about 1 1/2%, and the other 2 for 1/2 %. Never had an issue. Of course I insure to always run the latest version of each.

 

[honestone33]

Clean install use to be essential. I got lazy but with Catalina, time to do one. No issues. Safari was good too. AdBlock Pro knocks down all ads. Only 3rd party browser MS Edge because I also use Windows, and refuse to use Chrome.

using CCC anddoing erase + restore was the only real main ten episodes and even that rarely used.

something else must be going on.

I always do a clean, fresh installation when I move to the new mac OS, and also for one or two intermediate versions. With Big Sur, I will do it also, especially since the changes apparently are significant. Of course I do all the necessary preparations before doing so.

I assume when you say "using CCC", you mean Carbon Copy Cloner (an excellent program, by the way). I use SuperDuper! for my backups, and like Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC), it makes a bootable backup/clone. It is also a solid, reliable performer.

Could you explain what you mean by "was the only real main ten episodes and even that rarely used."? Don't think we are dealing with a TV series!

 

[honestone33]

I firmly believe that Mac OS big sur won’t be released until November 17 or thereafter.

At this point, I am not sure when it will be released. If the testing of the Beta 10 release still shows some significant issues, then most likely another Beta, Beta 11, will be released, and then that "after November 17th time frame" would seem to be accurate. But if the Beta 10 testing proceeds well, then we could get the initial version of Big Sur, OS 11.0, somewhat "soon".

Then again, there is the upcoming Apple Silicon Event, on November 9th:

'AirTags' announcement predicted for November Apple Silicon event | AppleInsider

Apple's long-rumored "AirTags" could be announced at an expected Apple Silicon event in November and ship before the end of the year, according to a known leaker.

appleinsider.com

That could mean your November 17th (or shortly after) prediction has a good amount of validity.

One thing for sure: this "delay" in the initial release of Big Sur is going to affect the availability of compatible versions of third party software, some of them critical. For me, there are 4 critical ones: SuperDuper!, Onyx, LibreOffice, and Tech Tool Pro And as has been the case with at least the last 4 versions of the mac OS, Tech Tool Pro will be last program to have a compatible version. With that, I am not expecting to "move" to Big Sur until January or February. But that's OK, as Catalina is running fine for me on both of my Macs.

 

[DHagan4755]

this "delay" in the initial release of Big Sur is going to affect the availability of compatible versions of third party software

Hopefully those devs are already working on Big Sur betas to make their critical apps available to launch on day 1 of the Big Sur GM. Also I'm thinking the extra bake time for macOS is better than it being released with a ton of bugs like has been the case in past major OS upgrades.

 

[honestone33]

Hopefully those devs are already working on Big Sur betas to make their critical apps available to launch on day 1 of the Big Sur GM. Also I'm thinking the extra bake time for macOS is better than it being released with a ton of bugs like has been the case in past major OS upgrades.

That's typically not the case. For myself, the 4 critical apps I listed above have not ready immediately. I suspect LibreOffice will the first, most likely right around the time V11.1 is released. For Onyx and SuperDuper!, most likely right around the release of V11.2. But Tech Tool Pro will definitely be the last. I would not be surprised to see it not ready until early February.

 

[ww1971]

One thing for sure: this "delay" in the initial release of Big Sur is going to affect the availability of compatible versions of third party software

3rd party software compatibility is not a factor in why Mac os big sur is delayed. A lot of it is due to the upcoming hardware system and the chip. Apple is not responsible for making sure the 3rd party software is compatibLe. It’s the 3rd party developers responsibility

 

[honestone33]

3rd party software compatibility is not a factor in why Mac os big sur is delayed. A lot of it is due to the upcoming hardware system and the chip. Apple is not responsible for making sure the 3rd party software is compatibLe. It’s the 3rd party developers responsibility

I DID NOT say that! Read what I said: the delay in the release of Big Sur is going to affect availability of compatible versions of third party software, NOT the other way around!

 

[AlteMac]

The schedule is interesting but won't control when I upgrade. I have found it very useful to wait for the first revision after the release, so my first Big Sur will be v11.1.

 

[ivnj]

11.0 is the best. Incase you have problems with later releases like .1 you have a fresh 11 and can always revert back. Then install .1 or later.

 

[macdos]

November 3 seems like a great day to refresh the OS and the world…

 

[joelovesapple]

If you recall this time last year, we had some massive issues rear their ugly heads when Catalina was released, so I am happy to wait it out until they iron out all of the kinks with Big Sur. Catalina is much more stable at this point (and trust me, it was a complete embarrassment on release!!) that I had to downgrade back to Mojave for a while.

Here's hoping Apple listened to the bug reports and general feedback from that shower of **** this time last year...

 

[honestone33]

If you recall this time last year, we had some massive issues rear their ugly heads when Catalina was released, so I am happy to wait it out until they iron out all of the kinks with Big Sur. Catalina is much more stable at this point (and trust me, it was a complete embarrassment on release!!) that I had to downgrade back to Mojave for a while.

Here's hoping Apple listened to the bug reports and general feedback from that shower of **** this time last year...

Yes, that has actually been the case for quite a few of the last several releases of the mac OS. For myself, as I've mentioned before, one of my critical applications, Tech Tool Pro, is the last one to have a compatible version ready for each such mac OS. And that means I typically do not move (via a clean installation) to the new mac OS until at least the .3 version has been released. With Catalina, that did not happen until V10.15.4 had been released. I suspect things will be the same with Big Sur.

It always perplexes me why folks just rush to install the initial version of the mac OS. History clearly shows there are still a number of bugs in the first few versions. Also, I have yet to see anything earth shattering in each new mac OS that I must have. Finally, there of course is the issue of third party software compatibility.

Oh well, some brave folks will continue to do that, and I can just "sit on the sidelines" and learn from all that. Meanwhile, Catalina is solid, bug free (for me), and runs fine.

 

[MacGizmo]

I predict it will be released the very same day it shows up in the Software Update preference panel, and not a moment sooner!

 

[honestone33]

I predict it will be released the very same day it shows up in the Software Update preference panel, and not a moment sooner!

Very enlightening!

 

[jaredwsmith]

Well now this is interesting: Apple just seeded the first beta of Big Sur 11.0.1.

 

[lestmak]

Well now this is interesting: Apple just seeded the first beta of Big Sur 11.0.1.

So maybe 11.0 will never see the light of day 🤣.

Just kidding. It should mean that we are now very close to a Big Sur release. Remember that iOS beta jumped to 14.2 the day after 14.0 was released.

 

[honestone33]

So maybe 11.0 will never see the light of day 🤣.

Just kidding. It should mean that we are now very close to a Big Sur release. Remember that iOS beta jumped to 14.2 the day after 14.0 was released.

First, kind of strange the way designated this beta release. One would think it would be classified as Beta 11. But V11.0.1? Does not make much sense.

Also, did not follow the iOS releases, but was the 14.0 "release" a beta?

Finally, this is the latest a mac OS has been "delayed", at least from what I can remember. Is Big Sur much more complex/troublesome than Apple realized, or are they deliberately timing its release to be shortly after the November 9th Silicon event, or is it both? No matter what, it would be wise to proceed with some caution before moving/upgrading to Big Sur.