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I'm not sure Bill or Steve are the right people for Microsoft these days. It needs new talent that has risen up and shone from within the company to take it to the next level.

Steve Ballmer does appear to have presided over the stagnation of the company, though. His prompt departure seems like a good idea.
 

interrobang

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May 25, 2011
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You also need to remember MS does much more R&D than Apple and does a lot more what I call university grade research. This means it pretty much known from the start it is not going to turn into any profit but more just for the bettering of man kind.

Apple on the other hand only does stuff to pad its bottom line. It does very little R&D and research. It is a very greedy company to its core.

Sum it up. MS pushes computer science much more than Apple ever could hope for.

So basically, Apple is doing exactly what a for-profit company is supposed to be doing, and Microsoft is using shareholders' money to run a playground for academics with no commercial prospects.

Sounds like someone should start an SEC investigation.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
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Where do you get this stuff? So now your anti-Apple screed includes Microsoft as some benevolent company bettering mankind. LOL.

I stated a fact. MS does a lot of research and R&D that they know from the beginning it will go no where and not turn a dime in profit. It is nothing but the sake of research.

It was pointing out LTD mindless worship of Apple low budget for R&D compared to MS is not an apple to apple comparison.
But I know that stings to someone like you who can not stand to see Apple in always a positive light.
 

rhett7660

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Jan 9, 2008
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I stated a fact. MS does a lot of research and R&D that they know from the beginning it will go no where and not turn a dime in profit. It is nothing but the sake of research.

It was pointing out LTD mindless worship of Apple low budget for R&D compared to MS is not an apple to apple comparison.
But I know that stings to someone like you who can not stand to see Apple in always a positive light.

I think it stings you if they are......
 

rdowns

macrumors Penryn
Jul 11, 2003
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I stated a fact. MS does a lot of research and R&D that they know from the beginning it will go no where and not turn a dime in profit. It is nothing but the sake of research.

LOL. You do this all the time. You state something is a fact (of which you have zero knowledge) and then post speculation.

It was pointing out LTD mindless worship of Apple low budget for R&D compared to MS is not an apple to apple comparison.
But I know that stings to someone like you who can not stand to see Apple in always a positive light.

You couldn't be more wrong. I couldn't care less if you portray Apple in a negative light but you can't make up your own facts.
 

vvswarup

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Jul 21, 2010
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I stated a fact. MS does a lot of research and R&D that they know from the beginning it will go no where and not turn a dime in profit. It is nothing but the sake of research.

It was pointing out LTD mindless worship of Apple low budget for R&D compared to MS is not an apple to apple comparison.
But I know that stings to someone like you who can not stand to see Apple in always a positive light.

Did you know that Microsoft's gross margins are a lot higher than Apple's margins? Doesn't that make them a greedy corporation out to pad their profits?
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
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I stated a fact. MS does a lot of research and R&D that they know from the beginning it will go no where and not turn a dime in profit. It is nothing but the sake of research.

Oh yes, the "research for ish and giggles" entry on the balance sheet. Of course.

Microsoft University: for the sheer advancement of knowledge (otherwise known as "money that could have been spent on fixing stuff that we ****ed royally: Vista, Zune, Windows slates, and now WP7, and possibly Windows 8."

But hey, they're doing research purely for the sake of research! How cool is that!? And now, they're well behind Apple in market value, with a stock value that's been flatlining for as long as anyone can remember, while even the future of their core business is in question. I think it's phenomenal and so friggin avant-garde that they're spending money and resources on "research" completely unrelated to any of this.
 
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roadbloc

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Aug 24, 2009
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I stated a fact. MS does a lot of research and R&D that they know from the beginning it will go no where and not turn a dime in profit. It is nothing but the sake of research.

It was pointing out LTD mindless worship of Apple low budget for R&D compared to MS is not an apple to apple comparison.
But I know that stings to someone like you who can not stand to see Apple in always a positive light.

Your claims are questionable to say the least. I know they do a lot of R&D, so based on your theory, they continued with Vista, Office 2007, Zune, Clippy, That MSN watch thing and Windows Mobile despite knowing that from the start they'd all be failures? Hmmm....

Kinect however, appears to becoming Microsoft's best thing yet. I've heard its uses are cropping up in all sorts of industries. I'm sort of excited for it. Dunno how much R&D Microsoft put into it, but I see Kinect being the future's best technology.

 

jsolares

macrumors 6502a
Aug 8, 2011
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Land of eternal Spring
Complete BS.

I think he's both right and wrong, it's not that Microsoft doesn't see a future on that kind of R&D it's mostly that it doesn't know when or if it'll pay out.

It's the kind of R&D Apple used to do a lot of and also kind of got them in financial trouble.

So what Microsoft needs to do is bring Gates back, shut down all R&D save for very narrow stuff that actually has a short term goal and cut back on products and you have what jobs did?? XD
 

vvswarup

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Jul 21, 2010
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I think he's both right and wrong, it's not that Microsoft doesn't see a future on that kind of R&D it's mostly that it doesn't know when or if it'll pay out.

It's the kind of R&D Apple used to do a lot of and also kind of got them in financial trouble.

So what Microsoft needs to do is bring Gates back, shut down all R&D save for very narrow stuff that actually has a short term goal and cut back on products and you have what jobs did?? XD

It very well could be that Microsoft does R&D that has little chance for turning into a profitable product. But to say that they willfully spend on R&D that has absolutely NO chance of turning a profit in order to "benefit mankind" is utter BS.
 

PlaceofDis

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Jan 6, 2004
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i can only think that this would be a good think for microsoft. they need better direction as a whole. it seems that over the past decade or so that they have constantly been playing catch-up with the rest of the technology industry and that has hurt them. they need someone who is proactive to lead them.
 

Bonch

macrumors 6502
May 28, 2005
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I dunno. I never really thought of Gates as visionary. Adaptable is a better word, at a genius level. But he is certainly better then Ballmer, who would be a no name insurance salesman or something similar if he didn't happen to be friends with Allen and Gates at Harvard.
 

Consultant

macrumors G5
Jun 27, 2007
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The Courier tablet was pretty cool.

Microsoft's concept was two decades late. Apple's knowledge navigator:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a0t2Eb7YJk

Your claims are questionable to say the least. I know they do a lot of R&D, so based on your theory, they continued with Vista, Office 2007, Zune, Clippy, That MSN watch thing and Windows Mobile despite knowing that from the start they'd all be failures? Hmmm....

Kinect however, appears to becoming Microsoft's best thing yet. I've heard its uses are cropping up in all sorts of industries. I'm sort of excited for it. Dunno how much R&D Microsoft put into it, but I see Kinect being the future's best technology.

MS bought Kinect though.
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
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MS bought Kinect though.
Apple bought Siri. Apple bought SoundJam (and renamed the software to iTunes). If I remember correctly, Apple tried to buy Kinect but lost out to Microsoft due to their supposed inhospitable appearance. Companies buy technologies all the time, it isn't just Microsoft. So what exactly is your point?
 

David085

macrumors 6502a
Nov 9, 2009
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3
Anything Other then Steve Ballmer will be better for Microsoft, Bill Gates back for CEO Full Time will be great :cool:
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
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Canada
Enjoy Ballmer. I sure am.

Bill Gates officially says he's not coming back to Microsoft

http://www.neowin.net/news/bill-gates-officially-says-hes-not-coming-back-to-microsoft

Last week the Internet was abuzz with speculation that Bill Gates might be returning full time to Microsoft after an article on the Fortune web site used second hand rumors to claim his possible return to the company he founded. That rumor was quickly squashed by Bill Gates' chief of staff Larry Cohen. Now Gates himself has confirmed that he is not thinking about a return to his full time Microsoft duties.

In a new print and video interview for the Sydney Morning Herald, Gates states flat out that he is working full time with his charitable organization the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. He states in the interview he will be doing that job full time for "the rest of my life."

That's not to say that Gates isn't still involved in Microsoft's affairs. Indeed he states, "I'm part-time involved with Microsoft, including even being in touch this week to give some of my advice but that's not going to change – the foundation requires all of my energy and we feel we're having a great impact."

Gates also talks some about his relationship with Apple's late founder and CEO Steve Jobs in the interview. At one point the interviewer asks Gates if he uses any Apple products such as the iPhone. Gates quickly says no, saying, "There are fantastic Windows Phones which I happen to use ... I am the most avid Microsoft user you'll meet."
 

boss.king

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Apr 8, 2009
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Oh yes, the "research for ish and giggles" entry on the balance sheet. Of course.

Microsoft University: for the sheer advancement of knowledge (otherwise known as "money that could have been spent on fixing stuff that we ****ed royally: Vista, Zune, Windows slates, and now WP7, and possibly Windows 8."

What do they need to fix on WP7? And Windows 8 is looking to be the best OS they've ever released. Lastly, the only thing they had to "fix" on the Zune was to make more of them and sell them internationally. That would have given it a fighting chance. I have several friends who swear by their Zune HDs.
 

boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
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Fix that cheesy Metro UI (as in, get rid of it, it's a market failure), and build a time machine to go back to three years ago when WP7 might have mattered.

Lol. No really, that's your argument? Its your personal preference, not a fact. I happen to find the Metro UI sleek and classy, but then again I've always preferred a minimalist look. You've just shown once again that you truly have no clue what you are talking about *LTD*.
 

Heilage

macrumors 68030
May 1, 2009
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Too bad Gates isn't coming back. :/
 
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