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Seriously though isn't a person supposed to take responsibility for their own actions and think before they act?
Also no system is 100% perfect you know.
Yes, they are. But this situation is part of a list of reasons people use as a defense against the walled garden. It's supposed to prevent things like this.

Just how like this "vetting process" they have seems to not be as spectacular as it seems, with all of these crapware apps that somehow make their way through.

It can't be one way sometimes and another way in other situations.

Is everyone here just trying to find a narrative where Apple isn't at fault?
 
Yes, they are. But this situation is part of a list of reasons people use as a defense against the walled garden. It's supposed to prevent things like this.
Not 100% of the time as outlined by law as Reasonable diligence ie "care and attention that is expected from and is ordinarily exercised by a reasonable and prudent person under the circumstances."
Just how like this "vetting process" they have seems to not be as spectacular as it seems, with all of these crapware apps that somehow make their way through.

It can't be one way sometimes and another way in other situations.

Is everyone here just trying to find a narrative where Apple isn't at fault?
No. Apple isn't at fault anymore then Youtube is on the hook for any copyright violating videos that they aren't told about or their bots don't find. That is what Reasonable Diligence means.
 
I don't think they do. I don't see how they can withhold or refund currencies they do not deal with. IMO those terms only apply to money that runs through their payment systems and APIs even though not explicitly stated. It seems obvious to me anyway. I don't see how they can verify any of this - and it's not like they'll reimburse in Bitcoin - even if they do.

Also, what if this dev cert was stolen? Is the dev on the hook?
It is not even like they can verify this guy is telling the truth, nor verify that it was his bitcoin and where it is now....
 
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Yes, they are. But this situation is part of a list of reasons people use as a defense against the walled garden. It's supposed to prevent things like this.
No it isn't, and if they do then they shouldn't. If you think people do then you both you and those people that do have totally missed the point on what the walled garden is about. And the fact that you can go out of the garden it isn't even a walled garden in the first place ;) LOL So none of it actually works :D
 
Apple is responsbile for a refund. It was their fault that they let the fake apps in. The consumer uses Apple services in expectations that they filter out and guarantee authenticity.

I don't know if Apple is stupid or not but they should have levels for app approval. Ex:

1-Games = any one
2-Data collecting = must be corporate with legal certification
3-Money = Real paper work and person-to-person meeting to sign agreement with Apple to let their app on the app store.

This is NOT GitHub.
Apparently the app changes itself after install. They claimed it was an app to secure your phone during review. Then the app changed.

It also doesn’t seem to be the version Apple approved. Some changes were made.

How did this guy know what it was if it was described as something else?

These questions need answering to understand who exactly is defrauding who...
 
You have no idea about the reality. In US, iOS market share is close to 50%. Depending on how one looks at it (sales vs active users etc.) Apple share is higher than 50%.
True, but a monopoly has near total control of the market. Apple has a reasonably healthy competitor in android. The whole monopoly concept depends on so much Alice Through the Looking Glass Humpty Dumpty logic that it is unreal.
 
Ok, let's play along. Say you use a password manager, should one be able to enter a recovery seed phrase in there? Or what about a text message? What about an email? To me this is as someone else put it eloquently before, it is about protecting the device and unknowing data capture and leakage, or about stealing the users data. This isn't really about preventing users from every possibly eventuality and stupidity. After all these are just ordinary readable strings of text. Even the manufacturer of the device involved tells the users not to do that...
The most important thing is that the app wasn’t a legit app that got hacked/attacked. The app was designed to scam people from the beginning and was approved by Apple. That’s the main problem.
 
How did the guy who used the app “know” to use the app to begin with? It wasn’t described as a digital wallet. It had the same name but was described as a way to secure your phone. So why would he download it if it wasn’t a digital wallet, then treat it as one?

Still feels like he is involved in the scam, or never had 17.1 bitcoin, or never lost it (still has it.)
 
Because as I keep trying to educate everyone, it is not 100% perfect.
No system is so people should shut up expecting it to be then having a child tantrum when systems are in place to make it as good a sit can be.
Dude, this is an app that's supposed to deal with transactions that can reach into the millions of dollars. Apple should absolutely vet these finance apps before allowing them on the store. This isn't rocket science
 
The most important thing is that the app wasn’t a legit app that got hacked/attacked. The app was designed to scam people from the beginning and was approved by Apple. That’s the main problem.
It didn’t got hacked nor attacked. The third party ie non apple device, comes with very clear instructions on what to do and how to use it. It’s someone someone must never ever do.
 
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How did the guy who used the app “know” to use the app to begin with? It wasn’t described as a digital wallet. It had the same name but was described as a way to secure your phone. So why would he download it if it wasn’t a digital wallet, then treat it as one?

Still feels like he is involved in the scam, or never had 17.1 bitcoin, or never lost it (still has it.)
That is my thought as well. It just doesn’t make sense.
 
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Dude, this is an app that's supposed to deal with transactions that can reach into the millions of dollars. Apple should absolutely vet these finance apps before allowing them on the store. This isn't rocket science
No it isn’t. It isn’t such an app. And one definitely should never ever put the seed key in any app regardless who where.

Have you ever used a trezor or such device?
 
How did the guy who used the app “know” to use the app to begin with? It wasn’t described as a digital wallet. It had the same name but was described as a way to secure your phone. So why would he download it if it wasn’t a digital wallet, then treat it as one?

Still feels like he is involved in the scam, or never had 17.1 bitcoin, or never lost it (still has it.)
Could be one of those people who see something and immediately trust it/do what it says. Facebook is a scam gold mine of people falling for all kinds of old tricks that are so obvious. Let's not forget about that apple twitter hack where a crap ton actually believed apple was being nice and would send them money if they sent first
 
Dude, this is an app that's supposed to deal with transactions that can reach into the millions of dollars. Apple should absolutely vet these finance apps before allowing them on the store. This isn't rocket science
If an app is supposed to deal with million dollar transactions, then the developers are testing, testing, testing. And it won’t be a $0.99 app, it will cost hundreds or more. Apple checks that it works as an app. But a stock trading simulation game will get the exact same attention from apple as a real stock trading app.

Responsibility for what the app does lies with the developer (in this case a bunch of crooks) and the customer.
 
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It didn’t got hacked nor attacked. The third party ie non apple device, comes with very clear instructions on what to do and how to use it. It’s someone someone must never ever do.
That’s the thing. If the app was hacked by an attacker then I’d understand. You can’t blame Apple for that. But the app was created to scam people. That’s Apple’s problem.
 
Real banks and financial institutions have protections in place to reduce the occurrence of these scams, or at the very least give a hope of getting the money back. With cryptocurrency there is no such hope.

This is another example of why cryptocurrency is a bad thing, on top of being bad for the environment.

EDIT: I love how this reply is exactly as controversial as I expected it to be. :)

Maybe, but say someone created a fake Well Fargo app that collected the account name/password of someone, maybe damage could be done as well. (Note: just used that name off the top of my head, but insert some traditional bank in there... maybe some do have more protections that would stop it, but I bet some don't.)

I think the solution to some of this would be a bit of simple research before an app is authorized. Maybe look for other apps similarly named, do a web-search for that name. Doing so in this case should have clued whoever cleared it that there might be an issue here.

Also, since the core functionality of that app changed between initial submission and an update, maybe there should have been some kind of flag there too to trigger another review.

The overall problem, though, is a very fair point. Apple claims the store protects the users. I know it can't be perfect, but it seems to allow way too much stuff that's completely obvious to anyone just browsing the store. If it can't do a a better job than that, that argument falls flat.
 
Apple bootlickers: Apple's being the sole point of iOS software distribution is good because it keeps iOS safe from malware and bad actors.

Also Apple bootlickers when someone gets scammed out of $600,000 by using a App Store phishing app: It's the user's fault they got scammed for dealing in cryptocurrency and/or failing to do their research.

Alright, fair enough I guess, now imagine someone pulls off this same attack with a scam bank app and gets users' credentials and account information fraudulently.

Also, isn't the whole point of the App Store that it's a so-called "trusted marketplace" where users shouldn't have to worry about these kinds of attacks? That a user shouldn't have to "do their research" on whether an app is legitimate?
 
Maybe, but say someone created a fake Well Fargo app that collected the account name/password of someone, maybe damage could be done as well.
Ha, I hadn't read through the whole thread when I posted my reply just now, apologies for unintentionally copying you.
 
No it isn't, and if they do then they shouldn't. If you think people do then you both you and those people that do have totally missed the point on what the walled garden is about. And the fact that you can go out of the garden it isn't even a walled garden in the first place ;) LOL So none of it actually works :D
You can't go out of the garden on ios.
 
now imagine someone pulls off this same attack with a scam bank app and gets users' credentials and account information fraudulently.

Now imagine the scam app says "Obscure <Bank Name>" on it, but is described as eg "interest rate calculator", the developers claim (during review) it is unrelated to banking, and only changes to ask for Bank Credentials after it's been through review.
 
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Apple bootlickers: Apple's being the sole point of iOS software distribution is good because it keeps iOS safe from malware and bad actors.

Also Apple bootlickers when someone gets scammed out of $600,000 by using a App Store phishing app: It's the user's fault they got scammed for dealing in cryptocurrency and/or failing to do their research.

Alright, fair enough I guess, now imagine someone pulls off this same attack with a scam bank app and gets users' credentials and account information fraudulently.

Also, isn't the whole point of the App Store that it's a so-called "trusted marketplace" where users shouldn't have to worry about these kinds of attacks? That a user shouldn't have to "do their research" on whether an app is legitimate?
I guess this is where 2 factor authentication comes in. If it were a normal bank it would also probably be easier to track it and get your money back once you proved fraud. I don't think you can rely on apple to weed out everything. It never hurts to do a little bit of research yourself, especially as crypto is like the wild west for this type of thing.
 
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Apple bootlickers: Apple's being the sole point of iOS software distribution is good because it keeps iOS safe from malware and bad actors.

Also Apple bootlickers when someone gets scammed out of $600,000 by using a App Store phishing app: It's the user's fault they got scammed for dealing in cryptocurrency and/or failing to do their research.

Alright, fair enough I guess, now imagine someone pulls off this same attack with a scam bank app and gets users' credentials and account information fraudulently.

Also, isn't the whole point of the App Store that it's a so-called "trusted marketplace" where users shouldn't have to worry about these kinds of attacks? That a user shouldn't have to "do their research" on whether an app is legitimate?
Apple calumniaters: Before one turns over nearly $1M in assets, is due diligence required, or is that not a prerequisite if one owns bitcoin.

I generally trust the apps on the app store, but if one asked for my SSN or my bank account number I would double check everything, and enter the information on the website. I trust the apps as far as IAP, as it's my cc, I can fight it if needed.

But in reading the thread it sounded like the guy who got scammed ignored some red flags.

However, still waiting for Apple to respond with an official statement.

What's the aphorism? "In God we Trust....(fill in the punch line)"
 
Claiming on big letters water resistance in the middle of the page and adding in the smallest font possible at the bottom of the page “yeah, but only in a lab”, yep, I’d call that misleading.

I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Exactly. That’s just silly. Anything with legal fine print is simplified so much because it wants to mislead and under-inform in the first place.
 
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