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MTD's Mac

macrumors 6502
Mar 18, 2010
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I would be surprised if the refresh has a black bezel. That said, I think, from a purely visual standpoint, the problem with the silver bezel is that the black rubber seal is still there, sandwiched between silver and silver. Kind of defeats the idea of a minimalist industrial design, when it could easily all be black.

From a productivity standpoint, having a black bezel under the glass (like the MBP and cinema display) is a nice baseline black for photo editing. Silver is useless in this regard.
 

GREEN4U

macrumors 6502a
Mar 24, 2010
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I prefer aluminum (what you guys call silver). Call me old school but I think the G4 Powerbooks/early MacBook Pros looked better than the new machines w/ black bezel. The black reminds me of the 1970s TVs. Yuck! :p

I want aluminum keyboard and aluminum bezel. Like how it used to be. Cleanest look ever.
 

iBookG4user

macrumors 604
Jun 27, 2006
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Seattle, WA
I prefer aluminum (what you guys call silver). Call me old school but I think the G4 Powerbooks/early MacBook Pros looked better than the new machines w/ black bezel. The black reminds me of the 1970s TVs. Yuck! :p

I want aluminum keyboard and aluminum bezel. Like how it used to be. Cleanest look ever.

I agree completely. I think that the new MacBook Pros look pretty terrible compared to the style of the original MacBook Pros and aluminum PowerBook G4's.
 

myrtlebee

macrumors 68030
Jul 9, 2011
2,677
2,242
Maryland
As someone who worked in visual design for years, and who has owned a Macbook (white), Macbook (black), MacBook Pro, and now Macbook Air, I can definitely say that I prefer the Air's approach the best. The silver is just right. I found the white distracting in some situations and the black of the Macbook Pro distracting in MOST situations.

Someone mentioned overall design- my trained opinion would be that there is a gounding problem visually with the current Macbook Pro with black bezel. What I mean by that is, in that design, what you have is a black bezel and black hinge that make the display portion of the machine visually "heavy", whereas the silver with black keys does not do enough to ground the machine. Basically, it needs more black somewhere on the unibody. Since they've debuted, I've wrestled in my mind with what could be done to remedy this - a black trackpad would look out of place, the only option would be to make the flat edge of the bottom black (around the ports, thumbscoop, etc). You can try this yourself by putting on a black Speck case on the bottom if you have a MBP. It's better grounded visually, but once closed looks a bit silly of course with a silver lid, and would look worse with a black outer enclosure entirely and silver palmrest. So, the options they had were what you see now (not a bad design by any means), or an all black option - which I would have chosen were I Jonathan Ive.

Similarly, the first Macbook Airs faced a smaller grounding problem when opened. Their silver bezel, silver hinge, silver palmrests, AND the small silver rubber band that seals the bezel to the top lid made the black keyboard too overwhelming. Apple seemed to have realized this in the current iteration and solved the problem by simply adding a black hinge and black rubber band/ bezel border. The design looks damn slick in my opinion and the best of Apple's portable Mac designs.

Apologies for the long post- design is my passion with Apple!
 

Andras5soul

macrumors member
Jun 14, 2007
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NY
To be honest, my biggest design problem with the current MBP is the black bezel. The matte version has a white frame that is a little bit nicer (and of course the matte screen is also much more attractive than the glossy) but I'm still using an pre-unibody MBP and most likely switching to an Air soon. I'd suggest killing the black bezel all together.
 

deadlystriker

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Jan 15, 2011
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The black bezel is absolutely disgusting and in fact is more distracting to the user since it's just a piece of glass over it and you can see every single bit of reflection on it.

Take a look at apple's older designs i.e. powerbooks and old cinema displays and they all have the silver bezel. The aluminum gives it a more premium feel compared to the glass black.
 

Typswif2fingers

macrumors 6502
Feb 17, 2010
373
6
Dubai, UAE
Ah.. love the threads where people talk about their taste and preferences with such utter totality.

In any case here's mine in much along the same system of expression:

I prefer edge to edge glass, it provides for easier on the eyes, darker edges... All others are ugly. My opinion is the only one that matters..

:)
 

Santabean2000

macrumors 68000
Nov 20, 2007
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i'd actually prefer it if the whole thing was silver.. keyboard and all. just like the old MBPs. the addition of black borders and keyboard made it too windows pc like to me when it was first introduced.

Agreed. The silver finish is much classier than the cheaper black finish. The black finish was a design cue taken from the HD tv and makes sense for watch movies etc, but less of a big deal for general computing. They make more sense on the iMac, where they first popped up.

I'd love to see the silver keys, bezel and matte finish return to Mac portables.
 

coops

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Sep 10, 2009
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I'd much rather the new 11" Air had a smaller bezel - and bigger screen - to properly fill the space available.
 

Carouser

macrumors 65816
Feb 1, 2010
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Someone mentioned overall design- my trained opinion would be that there is a gounding problem visually with the current Macbook Pro with black bezel. What I mean by that is, in that design, what you have is a black bezel and black hinge that make the display portion of the machine visually "heavy", whereas the silver with black keys does not do enough to ground the machine. Basically, it needs more black somewhere on the unibody.

No apologies for the long post needed, you nailed it. I figured the MBP can get away with the black bezel (in part for technical reasons about the display's construction) but also because the lid is heftier. The screen itself then seems like a distinct part attached to the lid, and it makes sense that it could be a different colour. With the MBA lid so thin, a black bezel would look painted-on, and be jarring, like a knife with a different colour to each side.

I vaguely remember Apple touting the silver bezel of an early Cinema Display for being 'colour neutral'; a departure from all the black boxes of other monitors, the copy said something about how it wouldn't interfere with colour perception for those doing sensitive graphic/photo work.

EDIT: I don't care for a smaller bezel. It's good to distinguish the workspace from the rest of the environment. The worst case would be an edge-to-edge display.
 

bp1000

macrumors 65832
Jul 7, 2011
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I'd much rather the new 11" Air had a smaller bezel - and bigger screen - to properly fill the space available.

Agreed

I did initially want a mbp esque black bezel. Spending more time with the MBA has made me realise that the current design is a lot more in character and does look better.

Like you said, it would look better with a smaller bezel and bigger screen. It just looks too clumsy considering the sleekness of the rest of the laptop.
 

myrtlebee

macrumors 68030
Jul 9, 2011
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No apologies for the long post needed, you nailed it. I figured the MBP can get away with the black bezel (in part for technical reasons about the display's construction) but also because the lid is heftier. The screen itself then seems like a distinct part attached to the lid, and it makes sense that it could be a different colour. With the MBA lid so thin, a black bezel would look painted-on, and be jarring, like a knife with a different colour to each side.

I vaguely remember Apple touting the silver bezel of an early Cinema Display for being 'colour neutral'; a departure from all the black boxes of other monitors, the copy said something about how it wouldn't interfere with colour perception for those doing sensitive graphic/photo work.

EDIT: I don't care for a smaller bezel. It's good to distinguish the workspace from the rest of the environment. The worst case would be an edge-to-edge display.

Thanks! You're right about the heft having something to do with it - your post is a spot-on elaboration of that point. To be honest, I can't imagine the Air with an aluminum body and black bezel- my mind doesn't even want to think that way, so it must be awkward. I wonder if anyone's ever posted a photo of an Air with a black-painted bezel or black bezel decal (companies actually sell those for matte-screen Macbook Pros). They look tacky with the title cutout:

http://www.gadgetmac.com/gadgetmac/...hops-black-bezel-skin-for-macbook-proair.html
 

Mac32

Suspended
Nov 20, 2010
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Ugh.. The black bezel is actually the worst thing about the entire MBP design! Not that I don't mind the black bezel in itself, but the headache-inducing glossy mirror that follows with it. The glossy screens that Apple uses with their iMacs, external monitors and MBPs gives me headaches and eye strain.
The very fact that iMacs only are available with a (very) glossy screen, means that I will never buy one!
The screen on the MBA is definately a step up in quality wise in this regard.
I really hope Apple improves on their glossy screen design in the future, it's just tacky IMO.
 

apple_iBoy

macrumors 6502a
Oct 28, 2003
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Philadelphia, PA
The old style anodized aluminum was meant to help with color-sensitive work. Apple's wording (from the old cinema displays):

"Your Apple display matches the sculpted aluminum enclosures of the Power Mac G5 and PowerBook, and for good reason. Apple designers carefully chose this hue to minimize interference with color onscreen, providing a neutral reference point for viewing your work."​
 

myrtlebee

macrumors 68030
Jul 9, 2011
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The old style anodized aluminum was meant to help with color-sensitive work. Apple's wording (from the old cinema displays):

"Your Apple display matches the sculpted aluminum enclosures of the Power Mac G5 and PowerBook, and for good reason. Apple designers carefully chose this hue to minimize interference with color onscreen, providing a neutral reference point for viewing your work."​


Sometimes I think they come up with these blurbs to enhance the product well after the decisions have already been made. Granted, it's a true statement as far as minimizing interference- but I have a feeling the cinema display was complete and the sales team added that paragraph while scrutinizing the product to develop an enticing sales page. I've faced similar situations with my own work- discovering positive qualities during a critique I hadn't thought about while actually constructing the piece. I have a feeling both that past cinema display and the current one have bezels of their respective color simply because they matched better with existing products (ie- the Powerbook and G5 then, and the Macbook Pro and iMac now). After all, if it were truly a "careful choice" based on color interference, it would have stayed aluminum.
 

apple_iBoy

macrumors 6502a
Oct 28, 2003
734
495
Philadelphia, PA
Sometimes I think they come up with these blurbs to enhance the product well after the decisions have already been made. Granted, it's a true statement as far as minimizing interference- but I have a feeling the cinema display was complete and the sales team added that paragraph while scrutinizing the product to develop an enticing sales page. I've faced similar situations with my own work- discovering positive qualities during a critique I hadn't thought about while actually constructing the piece. I have a feeling both that past cinema display and the current one have bezels of their respective color simply because they matched better with existing products (ie- the Powerbook and G5 then, and the Macbook Pro and iMac now). After all, if it were truly a "careful choice" based on color interference, it would have stayed aluminum.

Could be... but the genesis aluminum product in this case with the G4 Powerbook, so I'm willing to believe they actually did play around with different anodization parameters to get a color that resonated for graphics use around the bezel. The company seemed more focused on that market at the time.
 

Young Spade

macrumors 68020
Mar 31, 2011
2,156
3
Tallahassee, Florida
I like the way it looks now; I love the black bezel around the MBPs but I don't know if it would transition over to the MBAs the same way. Given that, I definitely want to keep the keyboard black. What I would love is a black filament over the Apple in the back; I thought about doing that for my BlackBook but I sold it before I got around to doing it.
 

myrtlebee

macrumors 68030
Jul 9, 2011
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Maryland
Could be... but the genesis aluminum product in this case with the G4 Powerbook, so I'm willing to believe they actually did play around with different anodization parameters to get a color that resonated for graphics use around the bezel. The company seemed more focused on that market at the time.

I could be- you're right! I just get confused trying to figure out Apple's design standards because this isn't the first time they've touted a decision or feature only to revert down the road. Perhaps it is market-focus decision making that is the main factor to design choices- who knows. I would love to sit and chat with Johnny though- would be great fun to "get in his head" and see where he's coming from.

I like the way it looks now; I love the black bezel around the MBPs but I don't know if it would transition over to the MBAs the same way. Given that, I definitely want to keep the keyboard black. What I would love is a black filament over the Apple in the back; I thought about doing that for my BlackBook but I sold it before I got around to doing it.

One of my favorite things about the Black Macbook was the white Apple logo in contrast to the all-black body. I wouldn't dream of it! :p
 
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