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dak46cmai

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Hi

I have tried to test my Samsung USB Bar. Having selected the USB and click start, it states "cannot perform task- read only.

I uploaded some file to the USB and now it will not perform on the speed test. It is on APFS.

Any advice would be welcome.
 

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Is the "USB Bar" a USB hub? I'm not familiar with this device. It's probably because the APFS volume is encrypted or that somehow the disk is not formatted correctly. I can run the Blackmagic DST on APFS volumes just fine, so maybe try to reformat it in Disk utility.
 

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Don't Samsung SSDs ship with Samsung software? That could be interfering. Get rid of that stuff! Reformat with Disk Utility.
 
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dak46cmai

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Don't Samsung SSDs ship with Samsung software? That could be interfering. Get rid of that stuff! Reformat with Disk Utility.
Yes, I did that and formatted to APFS in disk utility. All working now. But not impressed with Read speeds of 119
 

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Exactly what do you have, I am still confused. Is it an external SSD with a cable or a little flash drive that plugs directly into a USB-A port? Flash drives are usually very slow, 119 would actually be quite good in my experience.

But if it's an external SSD, those should be much faster. I have three Samsung T3 USB SSD's and they test at around 400 MB/sec write / 450 read on a USB 3.0 port. I also have four 2-TB Samsung T7's and they test around 850 MB/sec write, 920 read connected to a USB-C port.
 

dak46cmai

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Exactly what do you have, I am still confused. Is it an external SSD with a cable or a little flash drive that plugs directly into a USB-A port? Flash drives are usually very slow, 119 would actually be quite good in my experience.

But if it's an external SSD, those should be much faster. I have three Samsung T3 USB SSD's and they test at around 400 MB/sec write / 450 read on a USB 3.0 port. I also have four 2-TB Samsung T7's and they test around 850 MB/sec write, 920 read connected to a USB-C port.
@Boyd01

Thank you for your response.

It is a Samsung USB "Bar Plus" model flash drive, 256 gb. It is advertised as 400mbs read speed. But is only producing 119mbs write speed. It is also using APFS.

I have taken this up with Samsung here in Thailand but they don't seem to think it is a problem.


However, when I transferred 40gbs of photos and music to the flash drive, it took around 4/5 minutes. Which is not a big deal for me.

When I transferred 50mbs od docs to the flash drive it took a few seconds.

Maybe, all this is acceptable and within parameters.

I have just read this link, which confuses me now, because the writer quotes lower speeds.


I am not very experienced in these matters, so perhaps my speeds are OK.

I was also considering buying a T7. But was somewhat apprehensive after this experience.

But it seems you have had good experience with your T7.

Thank you.
 
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@Boyd01

It is a Samsung USB "Bar Plus" model flash drive, 256 gb. It is advertised as 400mbs read speed. But is only producing 119mbs write speed. It is also using APFS.

I have taken this up with Samsung here in Thailand but they don't seem to think it is a problem.
Write speeds are typically lower than read speeds, sometimes substantially so.
 

dak46cmai

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Quote"However, when I transferred 40gbs of photos and music to the flash drive, it took around 4/5 minutes. Which is not a big deal for me.

When I transferred 50mbs od docs to the flash drive it took a few seconds"


So do you think that the above example is OK as far as speeds go?

Thank you
 

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Quote"However, when I transferred 40gbs of photos and music to the flash drive, it took around 4/5 minutes. Which is not a big deal for me.

When I transferred 50mbs od docs to the flash drive it took a few seconds"


So do you think that the above example is OK as far as speeds go?

Thank you
Sounds reasonable. 40 GB in 4.5 minutes is 150 MB/s. 50 MB in 2 s would be 25 MB/s, but a large proportion of that might be "set-up" time, so the actual transfer speed was likely faster.
 
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dak46cmai

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Sounds reasonable. 40 GB in 4.5 minutes is 150 MB/s. 50 MB in 2 s would be 25 MB/s, but a large proportion of that might be "set-up" time, so the actual transfer speed was likely faster.
Many thanks for your reassurance😀👍 Very much appreciated.

I will look at the T7 to replace my ageing Toshiba HDD time machine as well.

Regards
 

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Copying files in the Finder will always be much slower than the Blackmagic test. That test is part of the software that Blackmagic bundles with their video devices (I have an old one myself). It was designed to test whether your disk is fast enough to capture live video. That is very different from using the Finder to copy a bunch of files.
 
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dak46cmai

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Copying files in the Finder will always be much slower than the Blackmagic test. That test is part of the software that Blackmagic bundles with their video devices (I have an old one myself). It was designed to test whether your disk is fast enough to capture live video. That is very different from using the Finder to copy a bunch of files.
Thank you. I was trying to determine and compare, that despite the 119mbs read speed, I found the transfer of files fairly quick.
 

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I will look at the T7 to replace my ageing Toshiba HDD time machine as well.

What computer do you have? Does it have a USB-C port? That is not required for the T7 (they include both kinds of cables) however, if your computer doesn't have USB-C then the T7 will only be half as fast as the numbers I posted above. If you only have USB-A, then the T5 will probably be just as fast and should be cheaper.
 

dak46cmai

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What computer do you have? Does it have a USB-C port? That is not required for the T7 (they include both kinds of cables) however, if your computer doesn't have USB-C then the T7 will only be half as fast as the numbers I posted above. If you only have USB-A, then the T5 will probably be just as fast and should be cheaper.
I have a macbook air m2 with 2 usb type c ports. Still learning about the different speeds between usb A and usb type c.
 

dak46cmai

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I have a macbook air m2 with 2 usb type c ports. Still learning about the different speeds between usb A and usb type c.
@Boyd01

When I set up my T7, should I go into disk utility and set it up with APFS through the " repair" option.

I believe that these are preset to Fat32 from the manufacturer.
 

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@Boyd01

When I set up my T7, should I go into disk utility and set it up with APFS through the " repair" option.

I believe that these are preset to Fat32 from the manufacturer.

Bombich, which makes Carbon Copy Cloner, has excellent, detailed instructions on how to prepare a backup drive. These instructions apply generally, regardless of whether you are using CCC to make your backups or not:


The one decision you'll need to make is whether you want to encrypt your backup drive with FileVault. Then you would format it as "APFS Encrypted" instead of "APFS", and it will ask you to set up a password to access the drive. [If you don't encrypt when you set up the drive, you can still encrypt later.]

If you do encrypt it, the drive will be secured in case you ever lose it (no one can access it without the FileVault password). Be sure to record that password somewhere, because if you forget it, you won't be able to access the drive either (unless you save that drive's password in the keychain on your Mac).

What I don't know is whether, on an Apple Silicon Mac, the encryption will make the backups slower. It does make them slower when you encrypt the drive on a 2019 iMac (by ~20-30%?), but that Mac doesn't have hardware encryption, and thus relies on software encryption instead. Your Mac does have hardware encryption, which *should be* much faster, but I suspect it only applies to the internal drive, and that external drives would still use software encryption, and thus would still be slowed—but I'm not sure. @Boyd01 — do you know?

Warning: Some external drives come with their own hardware encryption. Don't use it! They're typically incompatible with the Mac; it's safest to use Mac's FileVault. Likewise, some drives come preformatted for the Mac, with what they say is Mac-compatible backup software installed. Don't use those either! It's safest to just erase the drive completely, and reformat it yourself in Disk Utility, and use only the Mac's own software (though Carbon Copy Cloner and Super Duper are safe, since they're specifically designed for the Mac, and actually work). But don't, for instance, use Seagate's backup software, even though it says it's designed for the Mac—I did once, to my own regret....
 
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Your Mac does have hardware encryption, which *should be* much faster, but I suspect it only applies to the internal drive, and that external drives would still use software encryption, and thus would still be slowed—but I'm not sure. @Boyd01 — do you know?

Sorry, no idea, I don't use encryption.

I believe that these are preset to Fat32 from the manufacturer.

Definitely not, FAT32 is an old format with file size limitations used primarily on smaller flash drives and SD cards. Unfortunately, some things like video cameras may still use it, but you definitely would not want FAT32 on large SSD. I think it will be pre-formatted as Windows ExFAT, which is also readable by a Mac but not what you want to use.

You would use the Erase button in Disk Utility and choose the format from the dropdown menu. Have not looked at the link above, but if it comes from Bombich then they know what they are talking about. :)
 
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