Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
15,028
3,003
St. Louis, MO
I think he was talking about buying DVD's now before he has a Blu-Ray player, and then having to repurchase when he upgraded.

No one's forcing him to upgrade :confused:

I'm sure the same arguments were made from VHS to DVD. And we got over it.
 

Brien

macrumors 68040
Aug 11, 2008
3,827
1,406
I bought my PS3 for movies first and games second, I'm sure others are in the same boat.

I don't really care if it ends up another LaserDisc. As long as the releases keep coming, I don't really care if it's "winning" or not.

PS: God this is tiring. First it was Blu-ray VS HD-DVD, then it was Blu-ray VS DVD, now Blu-ray vs. Digital Downloads? Why are we complaining?
 

SuperBrown

macrumors regular
Jan 15, 2008
113
42
Hollywoodland
My DVD player still works perfectly and I am hesitant to replace something that works perfectly fine.

Could not agree more. Myself and other people I know just don't see a reason to upgrade to Blu-ray. Like the old adage says: if it ain't broke, why fix it?

IF my dvd player were to break soon, I'd probably replace it with an upconverting dvd player anyway, given how I have a massive collection of DVDs. This is also another reason why BD has not been a hit with me. The thought of replacing all the titles in my 500+ collection is daunting, to say the least. Plus, add the accessibility to programs and films via Netflix and Hulu, and I've got enough entertainment to last me until the next big thing comes out.

I could easily see BD come and go and I just would not miss it. But that's just me.

EDIT: Oh, and yeah digital downloads from apple app store? No thanks. I'm with you all who hate on those as well.
 

MisterMe

macrumors G4
Jul 17, 2002
10,709
69
USA
I think he was talking about buying DVD's now before he has a Blu-Ray player, and then having to repurchase when he upgraded.
Since you decided to jump into this, I will ask you: Why would he have to upgrade?
 

yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
15,028
3,003
St. Louis, MO
Could not agree more. Myself and other people I know just don't see a reason to upgrade to Blu-ray. Like the old adage says: if it ain't broke, why fix it?

IF my dvd player were to break soon, I'd probably replace it with an upconverting dvd player anyway, given how I have a massive collection of DVDs. This is also another reason why BD has not been a hit with me. The thought of replacing all the titles in my 500+ collection is daunting, to say the least. Plus, add the accessibility to programs and films via Netflix and Hulu, and I've got enough entertainment to last me until the next big thing comes out.

I could easily see BD come and go and I just would not miss it. But that's just me.

EDIT: Oh, and yeah digital downloads from apple app store? No thanks. I'm with you all who hate on those as well.

Again, who says you have to upgrade? A good number of your 500+ DVDs probably haven't even been released on Blu Ray. A BD player will play all of your DVDs and even upconvert them. And you'll have BD playback capabilities so when you buy new movies, you can get the Blu Ray version.

Like I said, the same arguments were made from VHS to DVD, and there was no backwards compatibility there; DVD players don't play VHS. It might have been a legit argument then. But now, the same arguments are being made about DVD to BD and it's a ridiculous argument this time since BD players provide backwards compatibility.
 

bcrguy

macrumors regular
Sep 29, 2009
171
0
Burlington Ontario Canada
i think the reason blu-ray hasnt exploded it because apple dosent offer blu ray drives on their products... kidding, but it would be nice...

i think one of the factors is not the players but the tv's themselves.. a 50" HD TV is roughly about $2000..

i work at blockbuster and all of the people who are asking for blu-ray are watching it on a tv thats 45" plus.. so i believe that as soon and the 45" plus tv's come down in price then blu-ray will skyrocket..
 

pdjudd

macrumors 601
Jun 19, 2007
4,037
65
Plymouth, MN
A Blu Ray player is cheaper than an Apple TV that you would have to buy if you want to rent Apple's compressed garbage from iTunes and watch it on your TV.
It's a good thing that I have no intention of buying one - all of my digital downloads stay on my computer for on the go - of course I got most of those from regular DVD's.

However if I wanted to use my TV with iTunes purchase, I can use my 20 dollar cable to plug my laptop in my computer... I never have had to do that though.

It's called upgrading. People do it all the time. I'm sure you have bought a new computer when your old one still worked perfectly, or traded in your car for a new one even though the old one was still running.

That's not the problem though. Why upgrade when there is nothing at all wrong with my current DVD player? And no, I never bought a new computer or a car (or anything else like that) when the original was still running fine - I replace when the current solution just doesn't work or buying new makes more sense. My DVD player has no problems whatsoever. Last time I replaced my car or my computer they had significant problems. Of course there are large price discrepancies involved with computers and cars that get factored in.

For lots of people, they just don't see the reason to drop a couple of hundred in a down economy to buy something that is not problematic. These are the same people that keep older computers around running Windows XP and not upgrading them to Windows 7.

But if a friend of mine wants to borrow a Blu Ray from me, they can. Can't do that with digital downloads.
At least with iTunes stuff, that is possible - you can authorize additional devices.

I was in Costco yesterday and they had a Sony player for $130. It made me cringe when I think about what I paid for mine.
That's nice. But early adopters always pay more...

i think one of the factors is not the players but the tv's themselves.. a 50" HD TV is roughly about $2000..
That is one thing for me. I have a 36 inch LCD tv that is capable of only 72P - barely HD. A Blue Ray player isn't going to add much until I have to upgrade that - and that replacement is not cheap either.
 

SactoGuy18

macrumors 601
Sep 11, 2006
4,733
1,798
Sacramento, CA USA
I recently got myself a Sony KDL-40EX500 40" LCD panel and just got a new Sony BDP-S370 Blu-ray player.

I can say this right now: if you have a recent Disney/Pixar movie on Blu-ray format (especially Cars and Up!), the clarity is nothing short of jaw dropping. Especially Cars--you can see the details of the entire race car track so clearly that you'll never go back to conventional DVD again. :)
 

DoFoT9

macrumors P6
Jun 11, 2007
17,586
100
London, United Kingdom
Hah, yea, it's just really amazing how some some believe digital downloads are killing physical media. The statistics obviously show otherwise.

the world isnt ready for digital downloads. and by that i mean the hardware section as well as the users mindset ;)

i really do like digital downloads, but in australia its not feasible with 25GB download caps.

not to say that i purchase my movies from stores either though.. i hire.
 

gkarris

macrumors G3
Dec 31, 2004
8,301
1,061
"No escape from Reality...”
Again, to those who think physical media is on it's way out and blu-ray is a dying format, they couldn't be farther away from the truth.

Actually, most people don't want physical media to go away. Who wants downloads with DRM?

The studios obviously.

Studios don't have to make physical media, and users can't "trade-in" or "resell" the downloads.

But, most of us are not fooled by this. We want something to "hold" that we can resell or trade-in if we end up wanting to upgrade (like DVD to Blu) or trade-in...
 

DoFoT9

macrumors P6
Jun 11, 2007
17,586
100
London, United Kingdom
Actually, most people don't want physical media to go away. Who wants downloads with DRM?

The studios obviously.

Studios don't have to make physical media, and users can't "trade-in" or "resell" the downloads.

But, most of us are not fooled by this. We want something to "hold" that we can resell or trade-in if we end up wanting to upgrade (like DVD to Blu) or trade-in...

im sure that they can develop a system to trade/sell/buy "used" videos... of course they can.. its DRM!
 

PrinceAvalon

macrumors member
Jan 11, 2010
97
0
Hicksville, US of A Baby!!!!!!
Couple of things lol.

First, I don't think the idea of digital downloads is bad, but maybe certain compression used by say Apple or other sellers of digital content don't encode the best.

Secondly, the US is nowhere ready with its infrastructure as far as the net goes to support that. Korea is the best rated in the world and has uncapped internet. America's bandwidth and internal infrastructure isn't as amazing as some think.

Don't get me wrong I won't complain and I'm not trying to sound like I'm ungrateful for it but... in the long run and truth of things America's internet infrastructure isn't that great overall to support digital downloads and completely stepping away from physical medium.

Third, don't be coy and buy into the studios who say cause it's a blu-ray it's so superior to digital downloads on iTunes or anything else completely. When DVD first came out they just converted VHS masterings to digital and put it on disc. Only newer titles when studios switched to camera's that shot digitally not on negatives and film and shot progressively; non interlaced video and at higher resolutions than DVD's standard looked superior.

Some of the Blu-rays sold aren't fully mastered in pure HD that they advertise, some of it is upscaled from a lower frame resolution. Certain DVD's when I upscale them on my blu-ray player look the same as some blu-rays's I have then other blu-rays are insane and gorgeous so those were mastered better.

Am I an abdicate of digital downloads, no, I'm not super digital download pusher. I like the idea, it's not a bad service but a few things. The consumers overall I don't think are ready to let go of physical medium which has some more advantages and the industry itself isn't ready and studios who make so much on disc and physical medium sales don't want to throw that away until they know how well digital downloads will take off and if it'll benefit their business model and make them profit. After all, they are a business and we know the first rule they play by... "Gotta make that money lol"

Personally, I still prefer physical medium but sometimes if it proved cheaper and was good quality I think I'd have preferred a digital download for some movies over buying a 20 dollar DVD I owned for 7 years and watched only once and never again. In hindsight, some might say that was wasted money and wasting space. I have like 400 DVDs and only about 40-50 I watch often, mostly my anime ones lol.

And as for those who are going on about the upgrade argument.

General rule of thumb, no one is forcing anyone to buy a blu-ray player. If DVDs pictures still are fine for you, great, I'd probably not either. I'm a tech geek so naturally I geek out and get the new shiny stuff lol. But it's not a necessity of life, it's just a movie. If you want to never buy anything newer than DVD, it's perfectly fine. For those that try to argue and persuade those to buy, I say let it go lol. If they don't want it, they probably won't buy it no matter what you say. Let them decide themselves to want to buy it. People tend not to change so much when they make up their mind and stick to it.

Yeah there are advantages but don't just try to solicit and sell them on it, now if they ask you geek out and brag all you want lol. But those who don't want to upgrade in fear they have to buy blu-ray versions of DVDs that is a fallacy. Blu-ray players support DVDs so if you all wanted to buy one even if for upscaling, cool as a bonus you can now buy new movies on blu-ray.

I'm not gonna re-buy all the stuff I bought on DVD again on blu-ray just cause the picture is purportedly better. Now, new movies I'll most likely pick up the blu-ray of it but there is no reason to re-buy them.
 

LethalWolfe

macrumors G3
Jan 11, 2002
9,370
124
Los Angeles
When DVD first came out they just converted VHS masterings to digital and put it on disc. Only newer titles when studios switched to camera's that shot digitally not on negatives and film and shot progressively; non interlaced video and at higher resolutions than DVD's standard looked superior.
I think what you meant to say is that some DVD titles were done on the cheap by using the SD master (not VHS master) as the source material instead of going to back a print of the film (or better yet the negative). Talking about the camera used is completely off base though. For example, the vast majority of films are still shot on film. The rise of digital filmmaking, especially at the Hollywood studio level, is still in it's infancy.


Lethal
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.