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MP 7,1 Boot screen on 7.1 with aftermarket GPU
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the bootpicker looks like this:
with ALT key at start
and single user mode like this:
cmd + s at start
if you can do booth, then you have a real bootscreen !
with ALT key at start
and single user mode like this:
cmd + s at start
if you can do booth, then you have a real bootscreen !
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Boot screen working on WX 9100. I get the pink block at the top of the screen just before the login screen appears. Same happens with Vega FE. Read in another thread the same happens with Radeon VII. All appear to be okay otherwise.
the pink block is not an apple bootpicker
comes from OC
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and which card used?
and is this the only one (no MPX module) in your 7,1?
I got 2 Ellesmere cards one with EFI and one without. During boot I can only see output from one card never from both. Windows is the same. It disables the output from one card. If they both had EFI or were missing it Windows would enable both.
Why talk about MP5,1 peculiarities inside a MP7,1 thread? Last page already has enough confusion.
MP7,1 has functional pre-boot configuration support with recent GOP GPUs (Polaris/VEGA/VII/Navi). Some Asus AMD RX 4xx and 5xx cards has a incompatible GOP with MP71, but anything newer than Polaris will work fine.
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"So, when the cMP load the Mac EFI UGA from a Sapphire HD7950 Mac Edition card, all other compatible graphic cards will be activated, and able to show boot screen."
I was replying to this as it refers to the cMP not the MP7,1.
I can't get the boot screen on my setup but I have to try Apple's keyboard. On my cMP I remember needing Apple's keyboard for startup key combos, I've got a Corsair K70 LUX. I'll have to try another day because my MacPro's in a tight spot and I have to get the box from storage (I never set up the keyboard or mouse).
Any of those boot screen shots are with a Radeon VII?
Also, a little off topic, although Catalina detects my GPU and identifies it as a Radeon VII 16GB the PCI Expansion Slot Utility (launched from the PCI Cards tab of About This Mac) defines it as Unknown PCI-to-PCI Bridge Card (Width x16 Gen3), this the case for others? I'm wondering if this is why VideoProc appears to detect the MX580 but not the Radeon VII. Thanks.
Any of those boot screen shots are with a Radeon VII?
Also, a little off topic, although Catalina detects my GPU and identifies it as a Radeon VII 16GB the PCI Expansion Slot Utility (launched from the PCI Cards tab of About This Mac) defines it as Unknown PCI-to-PCI Bridge Card (Width x16 Gen3), this the case for others? I'm wondering if this is why VideoProc appears to detect the MX580 but not the Radeon VII. Thanks.
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Is this with Radeon VII? @h9826790 had issues with this card on the older platform. It would be interesting to confirm if it is producing boot screen on 7,1. If not this can be reported to AMD.
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I use a Logitech G710+ KB, and to use the preboot services I use an old apple wired KB. The Logitech wont handle preboot key strokes. I get the boot screen with the Logitech.
My Expansion Slot Utility reports the same information for my 5700XT as you are seeing. That information is exactly the same as my HighPoint 7103 card.
Lou
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Pro/Con - Vega VII vs. 5700 XT ??
I have the AMD Vega VII card in my cMP 5.1 and I do plan to transfer the card to the new 7.1, once it has arrived.
How big is the difference between the Vega VII and the new 5700 XT? Would you rather sell the Vega VII now and go for a new 5700XT or would you stick to the Vega VII card. How big is the chance that Apple will release an updated Vega VII driver at all? (I personally have been very satisfied with the performance so far in the 5.1, which tbh keeps stopping me from pulling the trigger on the MP 7.1
I have the AMD Vega VII card in my cMP 5.1 and I do plan to transfer the card to the new 7.1, once it has arrived.
How big is the difference between the Vega VII and the new 5700 XT? Would you rather sell the Vega VII now and go for a new 5700XT or would you stick to the Vega VII card. How big is the chance that Apple will release an updated Vega VII driver at all? (I personally have been very satisfied with the performance so far in the 5.1, which tbh keeps stopping me from pulling the trigger on the MP 7.1
Apple continuously improve video drivers, let me illustrate with the Polaris drivers evolution (from memory, may need corrections):
- 10.12.6: initial support for Ellesmere GPUs, driver does just a little more that showing a screen and basic METAL acceleration, dreadful performance, no native HDMI/DP audio.
- 10.13.0 - 10.13.6: Apple constantly iterated the driver, now support more Polaris GPUs, driver now works fine, but performance is not good and no native HDMI/DP audio
- 10.14.0 - 10.14.4: Driver tweaked here and there, performance is now decent, no native HDMI/DP audio, still some bugs like pink screen with some combination of GPUs/displays. VEGA support.
- 10.14.5- 10.14.6: Great improvement of performance, native HDMI/DP, lots of bugs corrected and AMD hardware decoding/encoding now can be enabled. VII support.
- 10.15.1-10.15.3: lots of minor corrections, minor performance improvements. Polaris and VEGA support is mature, VII is very decent.
So, at this moment in time, 5700 XT is not exactly a good choice for someone with a VII, serious performance downgrade.
That wasn't the conclusion here:
2019 Mac Pro - GPU options
real world speed test results for performance minded Macintosh users
barefeats.com
So far I am happy with my 5700 XT. But, yes I agree. Xfer the AMD Vega VII to the NcMP.
Lou
There are so many report of problems and bad performance with NAVI GPUs, even with MBP 16”, that I think Apple is waiting the drivers to mature to release the W5700.
Anyway, never trust one source, barefeats is a good source for performance comparatives but they don’t really analyze reports or talk about problems.
Just as a GPU for display, AMD 5XXX series mostly works fine with Catalina. There are 5300M/5500M reported issues with specific resolutions and frame rates, but those might be isolated to MBP16,1 vs the entire 5XXX series.
Personally have been testing the RX 5700 XT in eGPU since December with MBP16,1. There are repeatable METAL issues with both RX 5700 XT and 5500M, even in 10.15.3 latest public release. I've been waiting for the drivers to be addressed, but not much has changed since MBP16,1's release. Honestly, I'd expect waiting until 10.15.5 for significant improvements.
I've heard the delay with W5700X "must" be related to import issues in the USA. I'm not a supply chain expert, but it would at least make sense as a quick/easy explanation. It took weeks to get approval to circumvent tariffs previously and there is no indication W5700X was applied for in that original batch for exceptions. The timing of the KCC application date suggests it was not even applied for until January 7, 2020. Then mix in the coronavirus delays. At this point, wait and see...
Personally have been testing the RX 5700 XT in eGPU since December with MBP16,1. There are repeatable METAL issues with both RX 5700 XT and 5500M, even in 10.15.3 latest public release. I've been waiting for the drivers to be addressed, but not much has changed since MBP16,1's release. Honestly, I'd expect waiting until 10.15.5 for significant improvements.
I've heard the delay with W5700X "must" be related to import issues in the USA. I'm not a supply chain expert, but it would at least make sense as a quick/easy explanation. It took weeks to get approval to circumvent tariffs previously and there is no indication W5700X was applied for in that original batch for exceptions. The timing of the KCC application date suggests it was not even applied for until January 7, 2020. Then mix in the coronavirus delays. At this point, wait and see...
VideoProc looks for the vendor name, in that case "AMD". Since macOS calls it Radeon VII, VideoProc doesn't find it and shows N/A. If you rename the GPU to AMD Radeon VII it will be shown in VideoProc. That's just cosmetic though and doesn't affect anything in terms of functionality.
Okay, swapped the 5700XT from my Hackintosh to the MacPro thinking the visual artifacts in games might be overheating, faulty memory, traces on the PCB, etc;
1. BOOT SCREEN! (I'm surprised too) I could NOT do this with the Radeon VII. I can get into Recovery mode and use different startup key combos even with the 3rd party keyboard I have attached.
2. No purple/pink lines toward the end of boot as I was seeing with the Radeon VII (later WEG versions appeared to have gotten rid of this when it was in my Hackintosh)
3. I'm not experiencing stutters/freezes and seeing GPU dump restart messages being spammed into the System.log while playing demanding games like Dying Light, Borderlands 3, etc. Dying Light had been giving me the most problems when playing with the Radeon VII and was playing buttery smooth with the 5700XT.
FWIW:
PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (BIOS Switch set to "O.C." as opposed to "Silent")
GIGABYTE Radeon VII HBM2 16GB
1. BOOT SCREEN! (I'm surprised too) I could NOT do this with the Radeon VII. I can get into Recovery mode and use different startup key combos even with the 3rd party keyboard I have attached.
2. No purple/pink lines toward the end of boot as I was seeing with the Radeon VII (later WEG versions appeared to have gotten rid of this when it was in my Hackintosh)
3. I'm not experiencing stutters/freezes and seeing GPU dump restart messages being spammed into the System.log while playing demanding games like Dying Light, Borderlands 3, etc. Dying Light had been giving me the most problems when playing with the Radeon VII and was playing buttery smooth with the 5700XT.
FWIW:
PowerColor Red Devil Radeon RX 5700 XT 8GB GDDR6 (BIOS Switch set to "O.C." as opposed to "Silent")
GIGABYTE Radeon VII HBM2 16GB
Did your Radeon VII has the original ROM? Any changes to the firmware will make the signing invalid and the UEFI GOP is not loaded at boot time. You need the original ROM for pre-boot configuration support to work.