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mollyc

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Do you not read previous posts? I cleary stated I am staying with my power shot as a SLR would be too much for me.
Yes, I did see that you said you plan to stay with your PowerShot. Nothing wrong with that. 🙂 However, you completely ignored posts of people trying to help you and never acknowledged different viewpoints. Like that there is more than one "good" camera brand, that cell phones can take stunning photos, nor did you really ever answer any of the questions several people asked you concerning how you planned to use the camera or what your reasoning was for considering an upgrade, other than lakes and mountains. To ask a question and get multiple detailed responses and then never even to say, "hey, I didn't think of that, but I've decided I'm not ready to make that move. thanks for your thoughts" .... just struck me as inconsiderate. We photographers take our craft seriously and put a lot of time into it.

And you actually never did say that a more advanced camera would be too much for you. It was implied, but you didn't say that was your reasoning.
 

bunnspecial

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other than lakes and mountains.

Not your point, I know, but there's the fact that landscapes with things like lakes, particularly at sunrise/sunset can be some of the most technically taxing things you can do.

Back in the film and early digital days, grads were pretty much mandatory to keep as much detail as possible.

These days, those Sony sensors used in Sony mirrorless and higher end Nikons with their 14+ stops of dynamic range can really make your life a lot easier in a scenario like that.
 

mollyc

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Not your point, I know, but there's the fact that landscapes with things like lakes, particularly at sunrise/sunset can be some of the most technically taxing things you can do.

Back in the film and early digital days, grads were pretty much mandatory to keep as much detail as possible.

These days, those Sony sensors used in Sony mirrorless and higher end Nikons with their 14+ stops of dynamic range can really make your life a lot easier in a scenario like that.
yes, my z6 has more dynamic range of any camera I've ever used. I can pull shadows to 100 and not get that weird hdr look.
 

bunnspecial

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yes, my z6 has more dynamic range of any camera I've ever used. I can pull shadows to 100 and not get that weird hdr look.

It's phenomenal, isn't it?

I've never been a big HDR fan(and by that I mean "stacked" HDR photos) but pulling up shadows in PP usually looks a lot more natural to me.

One of my excuses for using films like Kodak Portra 160VC(now just Portra 160) was that I could reliably pull 10-12 stops out of it. The last ~10 years have eroded that remaining advantage of negative film(the only thing all film still has going for it is how gracefully it handles blown highlights, but at least digitals don't fringe/band like the use to and can usually still be pulled back a few stops).
 

PCandaMac

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I love my SLR; but I’ve had one for 15 years. If I was starting today, I would get a mirroless camera instead of an SLR. One thing that I took too long to learn is that it’s worth investing in a high quality strap and bag. Once I did that I started using my camera a lot more.
 

Clix Pix

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yes, my z6 has more dynamic range of any camera I've ever used. I can pull shadows to 100 and not get that weird hdr look.

I absolutely agree about dynamic range -- I am still astonished at what I see when I use my A7R IV. Thankfully for the most part that "overcooked" look we used to see much of the time with HDR has settled down, although sometimes people still do get a little carried away.

Not only that, though -- I think we ought to also give some credit to the software developers who have also made vast improvements in editing programs as well -- what we use today is certainly much more advanced than what we used say, six or eight years ago, and it seems more intuitive as well, making it easier for even the novice to find their way around.
 

kallisti

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@jwolf6589: you asked a very common and reasonable question for someone in your situation. While I agree with most of the responses, I think they weren’t as helpful as they could have been for where you are at regarding photography.

It is common and natural to assume that better gear = better pics.

”I don’t need a “professional” camera (because I’m not a professional photographer), but an entry level “real” camera will certainly take better pics than my Canon Powershot. And since a “stupid phone camera” isn’t really a camera (it’s a phone!!), those pics must be worse than what I’m already getting with my dedicated point-and-shoot camera. Because that’s at least a dedicated camera and not a phone with a camera added on as an afterthought.”

This is a common thought process. It’s not a crazy thought process. It turns out that it’s not the best way to frame the question however (but how would you be expected to know this?).

Photography is complicated. There are many, many elements that go into creating a successful image that one is happy with and/or proud of showing to others. Sometimes this does relate to gear. More often it relates to the skill and experience of the photographer. I will share a little truism from the medical profession: good clinical judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from poor clinical judgement. This is true in spades regarding photography.

If you aren’t happy with your current pics, the best bang-for-the-buck will be to keep using what you are currently using but spend some time learning about basic photographic principles such as composition.

If you catch the bug, you can expand your horizons to exposure and light.

A step-up to the next level of gear will give you more photographic options in taking creative control of your photos, but from your replies it doesn’t sound like that is where you want to go right now. Which is fine.

Take the tone of the replies with a grain of salt. I think some members were perhaps making unwarranted assumptions about your goals with photography. Not crazy since this is a photography forum, but perhaps not putting themselves in your shoes. I don’t think you are currently in a place to know the “correct” questions to ask. But honestly, that’s fine and expected. Your question was a normal question from a non-photographer. I regret that some of the responses, while helpful on one level, weren’t helpful specifically for you.
 

jwolf6589

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@jwolf6589: you asked a very common and reasonable question for someone in your situation. While I agree with most of the responses, I think they weren’t as helpful as they could have been for where you are at regarding photography.

It is common and natural to assume that better gear = better pics.

”I don’t need a “professional” camera (because I’m not a professional photographer), but an entry level “real” camera will certainly take better pics than my Canon Powershot. And since a “stupid phone camera” isn’t really a camera (it’s a phone!!), those pics must be worse than what I’m already getting with my dedicated point-and-shoot camera. Because that’s at least a dedicated camera and not a phone with a camera added on as an afterthought.”

This is a common thought process. It’s not a crazy thought process. It turns out that it’s not the best way to frame the question however (but how would you be expected to know this?).

Photography is complicated. There are many, many elements that go into creating a successful image that one is happy with and/or proud of showing to others. Sometimes this does relate to gear. More often it relates to the skill and experience of the photographer. I will share a little truism from the medical profession: good clinical judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from poor clinical judgement. This is true in spades regarding photography.

If you aren’t happy with your current pics, the best bang-for-the-buck will be to keep using what you are currently using but spend some time learning about basic photographic principles such as composition.

If you catch the bug, you can expand your horizons to exposure and light.

A step-up to the next level of gear will give you more photographic options in taking creative control of your photos, but from your replies it doesn’t sound like that is where you want to go right now. Which is fine.

Take the tone of the replies with a grain of salt. I think some members were perhaps making unwarranted assumptions about your goals with photography. Not crazy since this is a photography forum, but perhaps not putting themselves in your shoes. I don’t think you are currently in a place to know the “correct” questions to ask. But honestly, that’s fine and expected. Your question was a normal question from a non-photographer. I regret that some of the responses, while helpful on one level, weren’t helpful specifically for you.

Thank you. I decided to stay with my 12MP Powershot. I want something that takes great pics as mine does and has a viewfinder as mine also does. I just wanted to upgrade but since current Powershots lack viewfinders I think I will avoid them. I need a viewfinder and need a point and shoot camera better than a phone. Thanks for your tips.
 

gkarris

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Dec 31, 2004
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"No escape from Reality...”
Thank you. I decided to stay with my 12MP Powershot. I want something that takes great pics as mine does and has a viewfinder as mine also does. I just wanted to upgrade but since current Powershots lack viewfinders I think I will avoid them. I need a viewfinder and need a point and shoot camera better than a phone. Thanks for your tips.

actually, point and shoots are back in style - especially the newer ones are almost as good as interchangeable lens cameras

 
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Darmok N Jalad

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Thank you. I decided to stay with my 12MP Powershot. I want something that takes great pics as mine does and has a viewfinder as mine also does. I just wanted to upgrade but since current Powershots lack viewfinders I think I will avoid them. I need a viewfinder and need a point and shoot camera better than a phone. Thanks for your tips.
If you don't mind something in a DSLR body, the FZ1000 is a very nice bridge camera. Larger sensor, more manual controls, viewfinder, good zoom range, reasonable price. I had one before I fully committed to ILC.
 

gkarris

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They lack view finders.

no, not really...

FJDX0616.detail.aa.jpg
 

mollyc

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Aug 18, 2016
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@jwolf6589: you asked a very common and reasonable question for someone in your situation. While I agree with most of the responses, I think they weren’t as helpful as they could have been for where you are at regarding photography.

It is common and natural to assume that better gear = better pics.

”I don’t need a “professional” camera (because I’m not a professional photographer), but an entry level “real” camera will certainly take better pics than my Canon Powershot. And since a “stupid phone camera” isn’t really a camera (it’s a phone!!), those pics must be worse than what I’m already getting with my dedicated point-and-shoot camera. Because that’s at least a dedicated camera and not a phone with a camera added on as an afterthought.”

This is a common thought process. It’s not a crazy thought process. It turns out that it’s not the best way to frame the question however (but how would you be expected to know this?).

Photography is complicated. There are many, many elements that go into creating a successful image that one is happy with and/or proud of showing to others. Sometimes this does relate to gear. More often it relates to the skill and experience of the photographer. I will share a little truism from the medical profession: good clinical judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from poor clinical judgement. This is true in spades regarding photography.

If you aren’t happy with your current pics, the best bang-for-the-buck will be to keep using what you are currently using but spend some time learning about basic photographic principles such as composition.

If you catch the bug, you can expand your horizons to exposure and light.

A step-up to the next level of gear will give you more photographic options in taking creative control of your photos, but from your replies it doesn’t sound like that is where you want to go right now. Which is fine.

Take the tone of the replies with a grain of salt. I think some members were perhaps making unwarranted assumptions about your goals with photography. Not crazy since this is a photography forum, but perhaps not putting themselves in your shoes. I don’t think you are currently in a place to know the “correct” questions to ask. But honestly, that’s fine and expected. Your question was a normal question from a non-photographer. I regret that some of the responses, while helpful on one level, weren’t helpful specifically for you.
I agree with all of this, but OP ignored some questions early on that could have helped steer the conversation better. I love photography in general and don't care what camera people use as long as they are happy with their photos. I acknowledge all different skill levels and, perhaps more importantly, all "desire" levels, but it's hard to help guide someone to the right path when they don't acknowledge simple questions. OP has all but ignored most of my responses and many other exceedingly helpful responses except when I was really pressing him. In fact, I was the first one to respond to his post after several hours and got the conversation rolling.

We have photographers of all levels, gear, and desire frequent through this forum and encourage them all. I have no doubt there are areas the OP could further his skills with his current camera and don't care two whits whether he upgrades or downgrades. But he wasn't helping his own cause. I should probably be done with this thread now.
 
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Alexander.Of.Oz

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Thank you. I decided to stay with my 12MP Powershot. I want something that takes great pics as mine does and has a viewfinder as mine also does. I just wanted to upgrade but since current Powershots lack viewfinders I think I will avoid them. I need a viewfinder and need a point and shoot camera better than a phone. Thanks for your tips.
They lack view finders.
no, not really...

FJDX0616.detail.aa.jpg
^^ What they said above!

@jwolf6589 My diminutive Sony RX100 V has a viewfinder (electronic not optical). I use it for photography quite regularly, but for video I prefer to utilise the liveview on the back. I stuck with the fifth version of the RX100 series as it has good lowlight photography capabilities, great inbuilt stabilisation, superb optics (24-70mm full-frame equivalent), plus has 4K video and an inbuilt ND filter so I can control the shutter speed when capturing video.

I can't remember offhand whether you required telephoto abilities (being able to zoom to long distances) if you do, then look at the next models of the RX100 series, such as the RX100 VI. They are great, pocketable cameras that punch well above their tiny size!

The RX100 series also allows you to progress from fully automatic through to learning to control aspects of your photography if that desire ever kicks in. They have a myriad of automatic scene settings for sunsets, landscapes, portraits, plants, macro (closeup small details), action or sports, snow, etc...
 
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jwolf6589

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I use Leicas and Contax/Sony/Minoltas which have been workhouses for me.

Looks excellent! Unfortunately about $400 is my limit.
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Okay. Was looking on amazon. Want a Powershot up to $400 with a viewfinder that would be a upgrade of my Canon. I could not find anything as viewfinders these days cost more.

I don’t care about the video as I have a separate camcorder for that.
 
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Alexander.Of.Oz

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Looks excellent! Unfortunately about $400 is my limit.
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Okay. Was looking on amazon. Want a Powershot up to $400 with a viewfinder that would be a upgrade of my Canon. I could not find anything as viewfinders these days cost more.

I don’t care about the video as I have a separate camcorder for that.
I just did a quick check on Amazon and there are plenty of Sony RX100 IV and V's that would fit the bill within your price range! They would definitely be an upgrade in quality from your current camera.

Where I am confused is whether you are open to considering anything apart from a Canon? Your reasoning behind that is irrelevant. Thus far you haven't shared this vital clue with us. Once that is clarified, further assistance can be offered based upon your needs and desires.
 
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I just did a quick check on Amazon and there are plenty of Sony RX100 IV and V's that would fit the bill within your price range! They would definitely be an upgrade in quality from your current camera.

Where I am confused is whether you are open to considering anything apart from a Canon? Your reasoning behind that is irrelevant. Thus far you haven't shared this vital clue with us. Once that is clarified, further assistance can be offered based upon your needs and desires.

I made need to move from a Canon that is true since Canon does not make them with viewfinders in my price range. Thanks for the tips.
 
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Alexander.Of.Oz

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I made need to move from a Canon that is true since Canon does not make them with viewfinders in my price range. Thanks for the tips.
You are welcome, there are some great little (Panasonic) Lumix models out there in your price range too that also have similar quality and abilities, whilst remaining pocketable!
 
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You are welcome, there are some great little (Panasonic) Lumix models out there in your price range too that also have similar quality and abilities, whilst remaining pocketable!

I am just looking for a good camera with viewfinder and lots of features point and shoot upgrade of my 2009 camera 12MP.
 
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