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JKK photography

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I was also considering going down the SSD and MBP (when they are updated later next year) road but the more I looked at it the more the expense to do this did not make sense.

Also, there is speculation made by a couple of review sites suggesting Apple has deployed optimised firmware for the Air SSD giving it superior integration with the OS, making it significantly faster than a MBP with a DIY SSD installed.

The higher 1440x900 resolution is also beautiful and not available on the 13" MBP.

I also believe many people severely overestimate their computational requirements. When you are looking at a 1.82 Ghz C2D processor and 2GB+ of RAM with a 1066 Mhz frontside bus I would guess for the majority of people the harddrive read/write speed will be the real bottle-neck in day-to-day work rather than processor speed.

I agree that the extra resolution on the MBA is great, and useful if you don't use spaces primarily. I do, so I don't work with multiple windows side by side. Plus, you get a slight trade-off with lower screen quality as far as color, etc (though it isn't glossy, which can be a plus).

I doubt that the reviewers are correct in that statement, as the MBA's SSD is a Toshiba made SSD that is based on older technology, and is significantly slower than a Sandforce based drive currently is. That isn't to say that the read/write speeds aren't significantly above what a HDD has; it just isn't up to speed with, say, something from OWC.

But I 100% agree that the bottleneck is the HDD. Processing speed can be very nice, though, especially when working with some programs.
 

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actually the toshiba SSD in these is very fast. It feels faster than the OWC mercury I had in my mid 2009 macbook pro and also I had one OWC last 3 days before dying, then one last just under a month before dying so I got my money back. Not sure if they have changed firmwares but that shouldn't have happened (drive crashes, won't reboot, disk utility doesn't recognize there is even a drive there on reinstall of OS). If you compare the speed of the SSD in the air it will be very favourable to the OWC, possibly faster.
 

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Just my $.02, I sold a 15" MBP to get the high-end 13" MBA and never looked back. Since my normal usage doesn't include anything overly intensive, I've found the new MBA to be faster at most tasks than the MBP was. Factor in the portability and it's a hands-down win for someone like me.

I had owned a 1st-gen and 2nd-gen MBA in the past and always ended up selling or returning them for various reasons. When they announced the new MBA with the higher screen resolution, 256GB SSD and ability to accommodate 4GB RAM---not to mention the glass trackpad---I was pretty sure they had finally released an MBA that I could live with as my primary machine. So far, it's serving in that role very well.
 

JKK photography

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actually the toshiba SSD in these is very fast. It feels faster than the OWC mercury I had in my mid 2009 macbook pro and also I had one OWC last 3 days before dying, then one last just under a month before dying so I got my money back. Not sure if they have changed firmwares but that shouldn't have happened (drive crashes, won't reboot, disk utility doesn't recognize there is even a drive there on reinstall of OS). If you compare the speed of the SSD in the air it will be very favourable to the OWC, possibly faster.

I think that a lot of the problems that the OWC had has been ironed out (I didn't have one then; but just looking though older entries in this forum seems to suggest that. You may have had a bad drive, because everyone I've talked to say they love their OWC drive.

Anyways, I just did a quick Google search to compare this, and the OWC does beat it pretty badly in all areas. Compare this to this.

You'll see that the OWC wins by a lot. But, Ive never been one to say that benchmarks mean everything, so I think that it is pretty interesting that you say the Toshiba drive feels more responsive/faster than the OWC did.


Does it just feel faster in general (opening apps, files, music, video, etc.)? Or somewhere in particular?
 

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reboot on the toshiba is WAY faster...15 seconds on my base 13" air on the clock between when I press restart and when the clock is visible again after reboot! The OWC was more like 22 seconds in a 2.26ghz macbook pro with 4gb ram. Regardless those OWC numbers dont work out in real life, at least not in a macbook pro. Here is a test I dug up from someone with a 2010 13" MBP for the OWC mercury extreme pro

Disk Test 262.01
Sequential 153.33
Uncached Write 247.47 151.94 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 234.75 132.82 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 66.98 19.60 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 349.84 175.83 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 899.95
Uncached Write 1257.23 133.09 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 480.25 153.74 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 1977.41 14.01 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 942.21 174.83 MB/sec [256K blocks]


compare that to my air

Disk Test 243.22
Sequential 159.38
Uncached Write 236.12 144.97 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 279.89 158.36 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 68.62 20.08 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 368.12 185.01 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 513.10
Uncached Write 284.46 30.11 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 526.26 168.48 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 1615.65 11.45 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 567.82 105.36 MB/sec [256K blocks]


The OWC wins but the difference is not huge, some areas the air wins and that OWC drive was their top dog extreme pro 240gig
 
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JKK photography

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reboot on the toshiba is WAY faster. Regardless those OWC numbers dont work out in real life, at least not in a macbook pro. Here is a test I dug up from someone with a 2010 13" MBP for the OWC mercury extreme pro

Disk Test 262.01
Sequential 153.33
Uncached Write 247.47 151.94 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 234.75 132.82 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 66.98 19.60 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 349.84 175.83 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 899.95
Uncached Write 1257.23 133.09 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 480.25 153.74 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 1977.41 14.01 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 942.21 174.83 MB/sec [256K blocks]


compare that to my air

Disk Test 243.22
Sequential 159.38
Uncached Write 236.12 144.97 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 279.89 158.36 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 68.62 20.08 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 368.12 185.01 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 513.10
Uncached Write 284.46 30.11 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 526.26 168.48 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 1615.65 11.45 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 567.82 105.36 MB/sec [256K blocks]


The OWC wins but the difference is not huge, some areas the air wins and that OWC drive was their top dog extreme pro 240gig

Then why do those numbers not work out in 'real life' on the Macbook Pro? What is stopping the Pro from using the SSD to its full potential?

Anyways, it sounds like you are pretty happy with the Air.
 

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I think it has something to do with the SATA controller they use in the macbook pro. I saw some tests when the drive first came out (which was when I had mine) comparing the speeds on a mac pro and a macbook pro and the mac pro was much faster. Like I said I think they blamed the sata controller used in the macbook pro but it doesn't much matter because the macbook and macbook pro both use the same controller and that is the only laptop you can compare the air to since its all apple makes.
 

JKK photography

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I think it has something to do with the SATA controller they use in the macbook pro. I saw some tests when the drive first came out (which was when I had mine) comparing the speeds on a mac pro and a macbook pro and the mac pro was much faster. Like I said I think they blamed the sata controller used in the macbook pro but it doesn't much matter because the macbook and macbook pro both use the same controller and that is the only laptop you can compare the air to since its all apple makes.

I think that the speed decrease when going from desktop to laptop is actually normal, because of limited power supply.

IDK, that would make sense (although, I would be kind of surprised if Apple crippled their 'prosumer' laptop like this) and explain the SSD performance.

Anyways, you've peaked my interest. I think I'll look into that.
 

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I've never had a Mac laptop but if I were to buy the MBA 11" lowend version. What do you think the resale value would be more or less when the new MBP comes out (April-June 2010). While I'm at it, what would a MBP current entry level could fetch used around the same time? Thanks!
 

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I've never had a Mac laptop but if I were to buy the MBA 11" lowend version. What do you think the resale value would be more or less when the new MBP comes out (April-June 2010). While I'm at it, what would a MBP current entry level could fetch used around the same time? Thanks!

Whatever the market will pay...No way to determine what something will be worth that you dont own yet...
 

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ended up returning the air and got a used 13" pro. Glad I did it definately the pro feels HEAVY and THICK compared to the air. Also its not as responsive due to the lack of an SSD. But in the end I really do appreciate the backlit keyboard and since I got it used (although in great shape) it should have enough of a resale value I wont lose much if anything by selling it after the new ones come out if they add some killer features. Also I actually prefer the lower screen res. I have no problem seeing small objects but I felt like it just made things harder to read and with the better color of the pro screen it looks better at a lower res and is easier to read
 
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