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stocklen

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The point is that already in week #1 it adds utility for some of us. Others can ignore it. That is all good, no real downside, so why complain?

This early in the long process of learning how to best utilize a new UI I feel no inclination to spend effort detailing how it adds utility for some of us. Ask again in 6 months maybe, or buy an iP16 Pro and do your own empirical research.
Was I complaining in any way?
Nope.
Thanks for your response but I was asking @neuropsychguy a genuine question about how the new camera control button is making it quicker to take photos in comparison to the other methods.
 

Allen_Wentz

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Was I complaining in any way?
Nope.
Thanks for your response but I was asking @neuropsychguy a genuine question about how the new camera control button is making it quicker to take photos in comparison to the other methods.
The short answer is that the new camera control is a different [optional] UI that adds choice to how a photog may choose to set up, compose and capture an image. Asking "how the new camera control button is making it quicker to take photos in comparison to the other methods" suggests that that the reason for the optional new camera control is to make it quicker to take photos in comparison to the other methods, which is a gross, very misleading over simplification. We want better, which may or may not be quicker.

One obvious usage of the new [IMO beta] UI is to hold the iP16 in landscape orientation in a relatively stable two-handed position [thumbs under, fingers on top] and right-hand-index-finger-squeeze to turn on the camera and squeeze-release to capture a still image or squeeze-hold to capture video. That usage example [unlike smartphone mode] naturally places the photog into a righteous image capture stance, IMO a very good thing.

I generally observe absolutely terrible photo capture mechanics by smartphone camera users. IMO the optional new UI clearly has the ability to improve such photo capture mechanics for some folks; making it a better way to capture. Perhaps also quicker; certainly much quicker with gloves on.

Usage of the new camera control with and in addition to existing camera control choices comprises a new optionally more complex UI now at version 1.0, which essentially means it is a beta version UI. Each individual iP16 photog now may [or may not] choose to experiment with the new UI to learn how it may prove useful. The new UI is new and will evolve. But IMO it already is a clear [optional] improvement and is here to stay.
 
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Allen_Wentz

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I agree with all of this until the last part.
No more buttons... please.

To me, Jony and Steve's ultimate expression of the phone design was to distill it down to a single rectangle of glass.

You could see the design slowly heading that way....

You can see how, in the future, the front facing camera could disappear under the display and the display will be an uninterrupted screen. You can even see potentially the phone losing the USB port but I can see that being controversial for peripheral fans...

However, adding more buttons seems to be totally at odds with the original intent. Im sure Jony would disapprove of adding more new buttons.

When you think about it - with the current iteration of iOS the phone actually doesn't need any buttons at all. Arguably the sleep/wake button would remain as you have a hardware option to restart the phone etc but there really is no need for anything else including the volume buttons.

Sure, the action button replaced the mute toggle and in doing so gave you something superior and more versatile - but muting the phone could be done from control centre.

The more buttons you add the more points of potential mechanical failure and water ingress you introduce.

I was expecting, by now, the phone to be losing buttons not gaining them.
As the iPhone camera becomes more and more competent, additional physical controls like the camera button become more useful, not less. Like having an analog dial for volume on the infotainment screen of your car or truck.

Compare how many buttons Nikon's high end Z9 (among the world's best ILC camera ergonomics after 70+ years of evolution) has next to its lower end Z50 below.
 

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Eric Idle

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Also don't forget:

The original iPhone was small enough to be usable and pocketable, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a 3,5 mm headphone jack, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a Home button, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a good operating system which was fun and practical, which is now gone
The original iPhone had a message to the market, a new great design, which is now gone
etc.

Everything that made the iPhone great is now gone.

Apple is now an abandoned ship, trying to prove that they have a crew and a captain, but they are clueless.
Tim Cook is 100% responsible for all the failures you correctly note above. Tim Cook has trashed, utterly trashed, the Apple that Steve Jobs gave him.

Tim Cook, Steve Jobs' greatest failure.

FIRE Tim CooK!
 

Eric Idle

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The good news is using the new camera control button is completely optional. Hardly seems like your personal experience is worthy of such a lengthy complaint about the feature overall.

Accepting mediocrity is a very Apple thing under Tim Cook's leadership.
 

Eric Idle

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Don't have a 16, don't plan to get one, but Apple giving you a button dedicated to the camera is the best evidence they've lost their way? How dare they give you a button dedicated to the camera?! It's as if they want it to feel like... a real camera!
It's a feckless effort.
 

heretiq

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I have called for the firing of Tim Cook for years. By far Cook is the biggest disaster ever caused by Steve Jobs.
Hmmm .. I wonder why no one seems to be listening .. 🤔

Could it be related to the fact that the “fire Tim Cook” advice is nonsensical? .. at least according to Perplexity.ai, which states:

“At Jobs' death in 2011, Apple was valued at around $350 billion[4]. Today, Apple's market capitalization has surpassed $3 trillion[1], driven by new product lines and services introduced under Tim Cook's leadership. The company has expanded its ecosystem and diversified its revenue streams, maintaining its position as a global leader in technology[2][3].”

That’s approximately a 9X improvement in Market Cap, similar improvement in sales and the best CEO succession story in the history of business. Repeatedly making that call and expecting different results sounds like the definition of something I can’t recall at the moment.

Sources
[1] History of Apple in Photos, From Steve Jobs Era to $3 Trillion https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-apple-in-photos-2015-8
[2] What Happened to Apple After Steve Jobs? A Post-Jobs Era Analysis https://press.farm/what-happened-to-apple-after-steve-jobs/
[3] Apple Statistics (2024) https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/
[4] After Steve: How Apple Lost Its Soul | Wake Forest Magazine https://magazine.wfu.edu/2022/05/22/after-steve-how-apple-lost-its-soul/
 

Eric Idle

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Hmmm .. I wonder why no one seems to be listening .. 🤔

Could it be related to the fact that the “fire Tim Cook” advice is nonsensical? .. at least according to Perplexity.ai, which states:

“At Jobs' death in 2011, Apple was valued at around $350 billion[4]. Today, Apple's market capitalization has surpassed $3 trillion[1], driven by new product lines and services introduced under Tim Cook's leadership. The company has expanded its ecosystem and diversified its revenue streams, maintaining its position as a global leader in technology[2][3].”

That’s approximately a 9X improvement in Market Cap, similar improvement in sales and the best CEO succession story in the history of business. Repeatedly making that call and expecting different results sounds like the definition of something I can’t recall at the moment.

Sources
[1] History of Apple in Photos, From Steve Jobs Era to $3 Trillion https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-apple-in-photos-2015-8
[2] What Happened to Apple After Steve Jobs? A Post-Jobs Era Analysis https://press.farm/what-happened-to-apple-after-steve-jobs/
[3] Apple Statistics (2024) https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/
[4] After Steve: How Apple Lost Its Soul | Wake Forest Magazine https://magazine.wfu.edu/2022/05/22/after-steve-how-apple-lost-its-soul/

There are no words, in any language, that can express my contempt for Tim Cook. He is by far, a staggering disaster for Apple's long term future.
 

heretiq

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There are no words, in any language, that can express my contempt for Tim Cook. He is by far, a staggering disaster for Apple's long term future.
In contrast, there’s a word in the English language for such unfounded and unbridled contempt: Irrationality. I suspect there’s a word for it in every language as well.
 
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