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Can Apple get in trouble for falsely advertising the ATI 4850 chip in the new iMacs?

kabunaru said:
In other words, 98% of consumers do not care what GPU they are getting or are too dumb to even know if the GPU they are getting is any good. :confused:
Is this what you are saying?
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It's somewhat surprising. The majority of computers come with integrated graphics or very low end discrete solutions but applications and games are demanding so much more. To the surprise of the majority of users their "new" computers don't allow them to run said software at all or at a great diminished quality and performance.
 
NT1440 said:
How much more function is an average user going to get out of a 100 Mhz or two in an iMac? honestly?
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considering that my powerpc 7100 macintosh only has 66mhz, alot. Just kidding. On the mac pro that .2ghz extra clock speed is really 8x.2 so its 1.6, thats kind of noticeable.
 
Macpropro80 said:
considering that my powerpc 7100 macintosh only has 66mhz, alot. Just kidding. On the mac pro that .2ghz extra clock speed is really 8x.2 so its 1.6, thats kind of noticeable.
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Yup, on the mac pro. Edit: well not yup as eidorian pointed out.

Ive been cautious about trying to differentiate my thoughts on the iMacs and the pros, this quote was meant for the iMacs, srry.:eek:
 
kabunaru said:
So, that makes them not intelligent when it comes on the issue on computers?



The iMac is more like an MacBook Pro than MacBook to me.
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No, you cannot be intelligent in a given issue, its a matter of awareness really. Its not their fault though, they shouldnt have to care because it really doesnt affect them much.

And of course the iMac is more like a macbook pro, a desktop is supposed to be more powerful than a mere notebook. On apples product range however, it is more of a middle man between the mini and pro. The iMac is completely meant for your average person.
 
NT1440 said:
The iMac is completely meant for your average person.
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The Mac Mini is meant for your average person.
The iMac is more of a "prosumer consumer" computer just like the MacBook Pro is.
The Mac Pro is the real professional Mac Apple has.
 
kabunaru said:
The Mac Mini is meant for your average person.
The iMac is more of a "prosumer consumer" computer just like the MacBook Pro is.
The Mac Pro is the real professional Mac Apple has.
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Thats where your wrong friend.

The mini is the bottom of the bucket no thrills offering from apple, the shuffle if you will.

The iMac line is diverse enough that to continue the ipod analogy it could be the nano or even the classic. 100% average user oriented.

The Pro would be the touch or iphone of the computer lines.

Hopefully that put a little better of perspective on it.
 
NT1440 said:
Thats where your wrong friend.

The mini is the bottom of the bucket no thrills offering from apple, the shuffle if you will.

The iMac line is diverse enough that to continue the ipod analogy it could be the nano or even the classic. 100% average user oriented.

The Pro would be the touch or iphone of the computer lines.

Hopefully that put a little better of perspective on it.
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The Mac Mini = MacBook (consumer)
iMac = MacBook- MacBook Pro range (consumer pro to pro only)
Mac Pro (pro)
MacBook Pro (another consumer pro but can be pro only)

Better?
 
The Mac Mini and Macbook are equivalent in power. If you don't need a powerful GPU and are ok with 2GHz or 2.26GHz then why would you need anything better? Then again you have to ask yourself value and what you are looking for in a computer compared to the budget. The Mac Mini is a nice machine but isn't as cheap as it should be. On the other end, if you buy the 2.4GHz MBP and don't need the 2" of screen space, better display, F800, express/34, or GPU then it is a complete waste of money. (Yes I'm aware that is a pretty long list but if you don't care about those things then what's the point? The difference between the two machines is not that much compared to how it was in the past besides firewire).

All of the machines can be upgraded to a point where it would be more than enough for all except the most taxing CPU/GPU environments. All of the machines can use 6GB of RAM or up and all of the machines can use SSD or 7200 RPM HDDs. What else do you need besides GPU? It isn't as if the 9400 M G is that bad. It is better than the old low end iMac's GPU (though that's not saying much).
 
Remember this is Apple, they get more bad press for offering a noisier full clock machine than they do for downclocking the machine to fit in with the quieter operation they advertise.
 
kabunaru said:
The Mac Mini = MacBook (consumer)
iMac = MacBook- MacBook Pro range (consumer pro to pro only)
Mac Pro (pro)
MacBook Pro (another consumer pro but can be pro only)

Better?
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Isn't the iMac better than the macbook pro? I mean the top of the line gt130 or ati 4850.? If only we could upgrade our graphics card on the macbook pro that would be great!:D
 
pacificmac said:
So are you saying that GT 130M and 9600M GT are identical?? Now you got me thinking..:confused:
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Conflicts abound but signs point to yet another 32 shader processor mobile nVidia GPU. The 8600M derivatives just won't die. Only expect changes in core, shader, and VRAM speeds to differentiate. So the differences are minimal in the end.
 
I've been told the same thing on the 4850 twice now...once by phone after multiple transfers and once at the Apple store in Sydney:

The chip is the desktop version but it's not like the card you stick in your PC - it sits on it's own board which is fully integrated into the mobo. It can't be compared to the desktop cad but it is the desktop chip.

Anybody else thinks this sounds reasonable...fine by me.
 
d510r9 said:
I've been told the same thing on the 4850 twice now...once by phone after multiple transfers and once at the Apple store in Sydney:

The chip is the desktop version but it's not like the card you stick in your PC - it sits on it's own board which is fully integrated into the mobo. It can't be compared to the desktop cad but it is the desktop chip.

Anybody else thinks this sounds reasonable...fine by me.
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Does that mean it's just as powerful as the Desktop version ?? :confused:
 
gamer2502 said:
If you need that powerful of a graphics card then you need a mac pro and not an imac:apple:
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I'm confused. I see your username, so I would have assumed that you would be intelligent enough not to make a statement like this.

There are people who won't buy the iMac simply because it uses laptop graphics. Some people NEED better GPUs that Apple gives them but don't need a Mac Pro.
 
It's Caveat Emptor. Buyer beware. If you really have to know the exact details of your gpu then ask and make sure you get them before you buy preferably in writing.
 
Eidorian said:
Conflicts abound but signs point to yet another 32 shader processor mobile nVidia GPU. The 8600M derivatives just won't die. Only expect changes in core, shader, and VRAM speeds to differentiate. So the differences are minimal in the end.
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I see.. thanks for pointing that out. I googled the info and checkout the benchmarks and they seem very close. I currently have the 2.93GHz imac ati 4850 pending 'til late april, and was tempted to cancel and go with gt130 but knowing that is similar to the macbook pro I have more options to chose from if I do decide not to wait.:p
 
pacificmac said:
I see.. thanks for pointing that out. I googled the info and checkout the benchmarks and they seem very close. I currently have the 2.93GHz imac ati 4850 pending 'til late april, and was tempted to cancel and go with gt130 but knowing that is similar to the macbook pro I have more options to chose from if I do decide not to wait.:p
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The GT130 in the iMac is either a 9800M GS or a a G94/9600GT spin off.
 
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