Thing is though, seeing as Apple has gone far enough to support Google's authentication system to allow for native 2-factor, it doesn't seem impossible for them to implement the REST API that Google added not too recently. From what I've read, it's functionally similar to Apple's workaround to allow iCloud push email, although obviously not actually the same thing. But I doubt that'll ever happen.
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Can iOS 9 seriously just support push Gmail already?
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They are slightly different. Mail.app requires the IMAP server to advertise and support APNS push. Once Mail.app successfully sets a deal with the server, the IMAP server would push sync signals through APNs directly.
On the other hand, the Gmail Push Notification API is just there for some other servers to hook on it. It is intended for cloud backends like those of Outlook or Mailbox to watch your mailboxes and act accordingly. That means if Apple implements this on their side, they would have to run push servers on their own, and this seems to be what Apple wants to avoid.
Frankly, on Google's end they already have APNs-related functionalities running for their email apps (Gmail & Inbox). Really wonder why they haven't ever considered deploying the support for Mail.app.
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Google never has provided true EAS or Exchange ActiveSync - Google licensed EAS and provided their own "version" of it. To address your counterpoint, Google does provide paid "push" service as they always have - take some time to read through their paid offerings - Google pushes notifications just like they have since 2006 (when I started using Gmail and Google Apps), and synches data (pull) when the email is opened. Your opinion - that it's all based on scanning/ad revenue - is not correct, and you should take the time to read Google's own documentation regarding their sync protocol - both Google and MS have provided numerous posts about this, going back 9+ years.
If you have a link to where i can upgrade to a standard @gmail.com address to restore my EAS i would be most happy i can not find it.
Google only provides push (not EAS) services to their paid accounts - Google only licensed EAS, they never implemented it. I stopped using Google services 2 years ago, when they made that change, and now use Office 365 for my business and personal domains. You'll need to reach out to Google for a paid account with push services. I only use Gmail for "junk" now and have no interest in what they have to offer. FWIW, none of this has to do with iOS 9 - it's all of the platforms Google "supports".
Yea i am thinking of moving to a hosted exchange by MSFT. I had it for a while i did not find it very reliable sadly. I set a client up with hosted rack space it is flawless the cost is just to much for a personal account 10 a month ouch.
Honestly, consider checking out O365 again - the platform has improved significantly in the past 12 months, moreso in the past 3 months as they cut out some of the older cruft as service support periods end. One can also find the Personal and 5-install Home licenses on Amazon at about a 25% discount with very little hunting ($44/$74, respectively), and sometimes you'll find someone selling a license here in MR's Marketplace - and I've seen for myself that the Personal version can be upgraded for $9.99 to the Home version (if you get a free or cheap Personal license and want more installs).
What hasn't been publicized much is that MS announced several weeks ago that they're moving the Outlook.com platform to the same platform that drives O365 - I posted a link in one of my posts here some time ago but don't have it handy. I've got an Outlook.com account for my Win10 install, and have seen my calendar events, emails, and contact data "matched" in real time between the web interface, Outlook 2013, the Windows app clients, and my iPad/iPhone - with no cost and real alias support now for Outlook.com it's a no-brainer - as a Mac user going back to 1988, I can finally offer that I like what MS is doing with this.
I'm planning to get one of MS's "Business Premium" accounts so I can get the 5-install license, my own branded email, lots of other services including UL storage space (my current Home account has a 10TB "limit" now
), and better CS, for $100 at Amazon - less than $9 per month. I've been reading over time that Google is cutting/restricting/ending this service or that service while MS is offering more services as time goes on - Google sells ads, and MS sells services. Keep in mind that you can also get a free 30-day trial too. I demoed Rackspace for my small business but had too many sync and outages, but I never dissuade anyone from trying or keeping a paid service as I know what works for me - besides, we have offices in Seattle and Portland - MS has servers within 10 miles or so of us, and that's hard to beat! Cheers!@campyguy: link-> http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/5/8552965/microsoft-outlook-com-office-365-migration
I have tried all email apps so far be it mailbox, outlook, boxer etc but keep coming back to stock and at the moment forwarding my gmail to outlook and love the experience.
Might move to outlook all together as i think it is much better experience apart from spam filter but it is getting better.
On other note think Microsoft has improved activesync to be much better friendly as i am getting much better life when using exchange push than outlook or gmail app.
I have tried all email apps so far be it mailbox, outlook, boxer etc but keep coming back to stock and at the moment forwarding my gmail to outlook and love the experience.
Might move to outlook all together as i think it is much better experience apart from spam filter but it is getting better.
On other note think Microsoft has improved activesync to be much better friendly as i am getting much better life when using exchange push than outlook or gmail app.
This is the MSFT link I was thinking of earlier, posted a couple of weeks after the post on The Verge's website:
https://blogs.office.com/2015/05/21/new-ways-to-get-more-done-in-outlook-com/ - while it's a "shiny" post, there's a lot of detail in there that's neatly summarized. One of my accounts is in "Preview" mode, and it's pretty slick, while the second is still on the older interface platform.
In MS's post, it's alluded to that it is a rollout of features, but AFAIK the backend transition is proceeding much faster or may already be complete. I'd rather eat some roast pork than look at lipstick-on-a-pig, so it's the backend I'm more interested in. I know that MS completed the integration of Exchange Online Protection, the mail filtering branch of Office 365, into Outlook.com in April - with the only difference between the two interfaces (Outlook.com vs O365) in how spam is flagged. FWIW, I prohibit personal email from being accessed on my company's work computers - PCs or Macs, and I also block personal email on my company's network - no IP sniffing allowed - my company, my rules, no exceptions. I can't "see" what's being blacklisted or quarantined from free email services but I'm keeping up on what's publicly out there...
I also like MS's new transparency with the O365 platform that they're showing in a status format: http://success.office.com/en-us/roadmap - which helps me plan somewhat.
I don't think iOS (or OS X, for that matter) would allow Google to run APNS to Mail.app on iOS without some sort of secret API from Apple. Seeing as that would make Gmail even more competitive with iCloud mail on iOS, doubt that'll happen. Also, they'd have to use APNS to send a machine-to-machine message to refresh (sort of like XMPP), which I don't think is a capability right now.
That's not really a big secret at all, though without documented details in the public. The mechanism has been working for multiple email providers including Apple themselves for years, and the ship has recently got a new passenger onboard, namely FastMail.
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Given how crappy gmail handles folders and mailboxes as labels, you got to ask yourself if you really want to use a standards based built in mail app. Could be more frustration than it's worth. Best thing is to stay locked into googles mail app to read your email.
You know correctly, and - despite having moved from Google Apps about 18 months ago partly because I tired of dealing with the ever-changing backend - the paid versions of Apps are still a really good deal @$5 or $10 per user, especially if you're invested in the Google environment. I tired of the decisions of Google's admins making IT decisions for me, being on the 6th backend shakeup since I signed up in 2006; MS's Exchange-based services have stayed about the same for years now and for the same $10 package I get more services per user (including SharePoint and OneNote!) and UL data storage if I want to use it, and I haven't had to tweak one Mac or PC since moving to Office 365. A few of my friends are still on the Apps platform and still love it - besides, I'd rather tip a shot of Irish Whiskey than gripe about email platforms with them after work! 8-P
You know every one has said there is a way to pay for EAS support. I have not found a way to pay them and keep my @gmail.com domain. I can pay them and they will host a whole new email address. I know what you all are saying in the past you could convert your @gmail.com to apps but i have not found a way to do that now.
I mean if i am going to upend the apple cart so to speak i might as well just go back to microsoft Outlook.com or paid hosted exchange through 365.
The point was i could keep my old email address and make it work like it used to and i am just not seeing that option.
I freely admit i might be overlooking it or just not looking in the right spot so if you know of that magic link where i can upgrade my existing account to apps and get my EAS back that would be superb. Other wise i think i will have to back back to the drawing board and chart a new course on email.
I mean if i am going to upend the apple cart so to speak i might as well just go back to microsoft Outlook.com or paid hosted exchange through 365.
The point was i could keep my old email address and make it work like it used to and i am just not seeing that option.
I freely admit i might be overlooking it or just not looking in the right spot so if you know of that magic link where i can upgrade my existing account to apps and get my EAS back that would be superb. Other wise i think i will have to back back to the drawing board and chart a new course on email.
If I didn't get in with Google Apps on a free account before they stopped free I wouldn't be on gmail for my business still. I'd def be with Office 365 since Google stripped exchange from users and their web interface hasn't changed much and looks tired and their odd label system isn't very good.
I dont use their docs or spreadsheets because they don't even use the MS formatting about 99% of business uses and isn't nearly as full featured as desktop Word/Excel.
I use dropbox rather than Drive as it has better security for sensitive client docs, and doesn't share space with my gmail (terrible call by Google sharing the 15gb the free/older account gives you).
Office 365 has only improved and improved while Gmail is standing still for 2-3 years. and the price isn't that much difference, GApps is $5/month and office is around $8-9/month if you pay the year in advance.
It's hard to move away from free, but it may be worth the small cost.
I dont use their docs or spreadsheets because they don't even use the MS formatting about 99% of business uses and isn't nearly as full featured as desktop Word/Excel.
I use dropbox rather than Drive as it has better security for sensitive client docs, and doesn't share space with my gmail (terrible call by Google sharing the 15gb the free/older account gives you).
Office 365 has only improved and improved while Gmail is standing still for 2-3 years. and the price isn't that much difference, GApps is $5/month and office is around $8-9/month if you pay the year in advance.
It's hard to move away from free, but it may be worth the small cost.
Will this affect the native iPhone app? http://thenextweb.com/google/2015/05/30/googles-gmail-api-officially-gets-push-notification-support/
That's probably how some of the 3rd party email apps get Gmail quickly on their apps like Outlook, CloudMagic etc. Gmail on that comes in right away.
The stock email app isn't updated nearly as often so probably doesn't implement this.
Those apps generally store your credentials and access your account and messages to check on their own so that you'd be notified when they find anything new.
I am looking at office 365 or iCloud for email. I already have 20 gigs on iCloud. I just did not want to let apple nor Google own my email but .99 cents seems like the best solution. I feel like I am committing my self to apple fully just like I did with Google befor.
I think your right Dropbox is the way to fly for documents. I use it with my clients and my accountant it is so easy and secure.
i think gmail will be moved to a junk catch system for me sadly.