That's some deep sh&/ man!!! I'm going to be thinking about that for days while I'm reading about photography.
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Can the iPhone be used for pro digital photography?
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That's some deep sh&/ man!!! I'm going to be thinking about that for days while I'm reading about photography.
I was going to write a lengthy response, perhaps adding something to the table... but to be frank, I have officially given up on princealfie threads:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/296561/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/324599/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/293652/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/289341/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/289261/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/285305/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/279402/
to name a few
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/296561/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/324599/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/293652/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/289341/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/289261/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/285305/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/279402/
to name a few
You seem highly offended that people are questing you... Which is ironic, because I suppose you are, in a sense, questioning the nature of quality photography as an art, muffing that the visually finer points of an image matter little. Iin return, we might be a tad offended too.
Anyway, I read the articles, and still wouldn't agree with using a camera phone as a tool for a professional.
Seriously now, check out the size of the lens! Being a photojournalist means that your work will often be printed and you want your photos to tell as much as possible to the reader. I personally get pissed when i look at horrible resolution photos even of one-of-a-time world channging events!. And no i don't blame the photographer, it's just that the technology isn't there yet to get good quality photos out of this kind of miniaturization.
Using just about any cameraphone is like driving a car... while only engaging first gear. There are generally no adjustments to make and, no matter how many megapixels you've got, the lens is basically a piece of glass the size of a pinhead. You can take 'interesting' shots... that maybe use the camera's limitations to make a point about something or other. But apart from the occasional opportunist shot (Lord Lucan riding Shergar, say), the iPhone camera is basically a fun toy.
This is a joke right? You can't be serious.
Ok I do know of at least one professional who uses toy camera for "fine art" photography.
Also I bought my 7 year old daughter a "Hello Kitty" digital camera for about $29 and she is using it with iPhoto and you'd be surprised at some of the images. Being three and a half feet tall must give one a different perspective on the world (pun intended)
So Holgas, web cams and iPhones do have a place but it's really not in the mainstream of professional photography. Butit right there with cross processed film, solerization and shooting through the glass from broken bottles. You do it for the novelty effect.
It's not "technology" it's "physics". Angular resolution of an optical system is proportional to the diameter of the aperture divided by the wave length of light. Light is a constant that we can't change.
Wow, I sure don't have time to write books on my new MacBook, play games, shoot pro documentary photography, have a "real job" to pay for Leicas, and also sit around waiting for a new version of VMware to be released. Geesh.
yes, but a painter would be an idiot to paint with cotton swabs held between his teeth, yes? Even if the painting was magnificent, I would still call the artist a moron. Pick up a brush, or in your case, your d70.
I happen to think the picture quality on the iPhone is amazing ... maybe not for professional photography but for the occasional humorous sighting it's much more than suffice
Just an aside, in todays art world a painter panting with cotton swabs between their teeth may well be regarded as a genius, no doubt it would represent something deep and meaningful, and then they get their work displayed in places like the Tate Modern.
the iphone may do wonders for paper companies and such, because its a pretty good camera i spose and itl be easy to to snap pictures and its in your fone.... however its not for the eliete fotographers...doesnt wuite cut it
You know too that there are review websites online that specifically dedicate articles to testing "high end" cell phone cameras. Do a search and you'll find some. If you really want to use a phone for a "photojournalistic camera" then do your self a favor and get a phone that is SPECIFIC to being a camera first, then a phone second, the iPhone's pics, while ok, is not that.
Hold on. What about a camera with wi-fi. Perhaps then someone will be kind enough to make a web 2 app (if thats possible) that can connect to it. As far as I'm aware that more a consumer phone type of feature, but the iphone might incentivise the inclusion of that standard. Then you would have an useful photo journalistic tool out of the iphone. Just not a camera.
And Photoshop for the iphone? How about just running basic colour algorithims preset to you camera/conditions before a shoot... Nice way of getting quick garage results...
They say the lens is made by Carl Zeiss, but it's just a name. Do you think they actually worked on these lenses? The job was probably outsourced to some other company.
It's ridiculous to say "It's a Zeiss so it must be good." If you buy a pair of jeans, do you honestly believe that Calvin Klein or any of his trusted designers actually "designed" them? Calvin Klein had nothing to do with them.
princealfie said:
Princealfie must have missed the part of your response that said understanding light is a highly skilled craft. The iPhone doesn't have manual settings to allow the user to adjust his photo for the light conditions. It's all automatic.
I don't know why he agrees with OllyW.
Why did you post an article that disproves your point?
(see below)
Article said:
Also, you posted an article from May 2003 about how great camera phones are. You know he's wrong, don't you? We all know camera phones from 2003 are crap. There's no question.
If the photos coming out of an iPhone are just as good as the ones coming out of a Nikon D70, then there's something wrong with the way he's using his D70. You can talk about the importance of composition all you want, but the fact of the matter is that using a D70, I have control of what I'm doing, and get photos to come out. With the iPhone, you're just a point and shoot monkey.
Get a small p&s.
When the camera is beyond a certain minimal level of quality, then yes, you're right.
Use the cameraphone on my SE T630, and no, composition won't help the photo at all. Nothing would help my photo other than retaking the shot with a better camera.
With regards to the iPhone, if a big, important event occurred spontaneously, and you happen to be there at the time (ie: across the street from a building that got blown up during some sort of attack), and there aren't many photos of the event, then yes, a newspaper or news station may want to use your photo if they are desperate. Do you want news agencies to pick up your photo because it's the only one available, and so they're desperate for anything? Wouldn't you want your photo to be picked up because it was of high quality?
Thanks for the lesson, i just checked the wiki and it explains it all pretty good.
Now i wonder how our eyes manage to see under low light with a max 'aperture' diameter of only a couple of mm's. It must have something to do with light sensitivity, or ISO as we call it.
Wow those are some of the most useless thread I have seen on Macrumors. Did a little more searching and this guy has a ton of gems like the few you listed. I think its best to just ignore him in hopes that he will take his ridiculous questions and leave
Seriously now, check out the size of the lens! Being a photojournalist means that your work will often be printed and you want your photos to tell as much as possible to the reader. I personally get pissed when i look at horrible resolution photos even of one-of-a-time world channging events!. And no i don't blame the photographer, it's just that the technology isn't there yet to get good quality photos out of this kind of miniaturization.
good for on the spot ohh check that out type of situations, but pro stuff nope nada not even close.