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Beeplance

macrumors 68000
Jul 29, 2012
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Yeah, haven't heard any news from RIM in a while, not sure what they're up to.

My guess would be Windows and iOS, both are quite strong as of now. I could be wrong about Android going downhill, just my prediction I guess. Even if they do go down, it probably take some time, my 5-10 years? The new Nexus 4 is looking pretty good, Android tablets too.
 

roxxette

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Aug 9, 2011
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Im surprise you say ios will remain potent if only 2 remain :) i honestly dont see a big future for it, even more when the prices just go up and up and whe get more of the same.

I see big talks in here about "ecosystem" yet most people i know here with iphones only roll with free apps or jailbreak even for apps like whatsapp lol
 

jmxp69

macrumors 6502
Dec 10, 2008
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Interesting comments so far. Going back to Palm's days as one of the early leaders in handhelds and observing trends over the years:

- I think RIM is done, it's just a question of when. They used to be the go-to choice for business and I rarely see them in the office anymore (Fortune 15 company).

- Even with MS missteps in mobile and my own complete lack of respect for anything MS post Vista, they'll be around for a long time to come. Their successful product lines can subsidize mobile while they carve out a piece of the pie. If they don't streamline their mobile OS (time to let go of the desktop influence on mobile devices) this might be a long and expensive proposition.

- Android: Google is a crazy strong innovator. Even with disparity in equipment, carrier/handset manufacturer impacts to new release distribution, and branch efforts like Kindle Fire, Android has similar strategic intents: Google Play provides consolidation of media and apps, and Android converged on the idea of use across small (phone) screens as well as tablets. And the power of the open source community puts *all* sole-sourced development shops at a massive disadvantage. Android will benefit from the collective capabilities of thousands and thousands of talented coders for a long time.

- iOS: I believe Apple's cross platform strategy integrating elements of mobile and desktop (iMessage, iCloud, Photostream) will only become more compelling over time and that strategy keeps Apple in the top 2 for the foreseeable future.

In the end, Android will remain the global dominant choice, Apple will remain a strong number two with the cross platform integration play, MS will remain a distant third if WP8 doesn't blow people away and RIM: Sorry, but they're toast. It was fun while it lasted, but the world moved past them just like it did with Palm.
 

opinioncircle

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May 17, 2009
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As much as it seems to please everyone, I do hope that there are/will be more than 3 OS's....

I want other choices, starting with BB10. For anyone and everyone else, look at beyond the US and Europe. The trends are not necessarily in the Bay Area, NYC and London...
 

Beeplance

macrumors 68000
Jul 29, 2012
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Interesting comments so far. Going back to Palm's days as one of the early leaders in handhelds and observing trends over the years:

- I think RIM is done, it's just a question of when. They used to be the go-to choice for business and I rarely see them in the office anymore (Fortune 15 company).

- Even with MS missteps in mobile and my own complete lack of respect for anything MS post Vista, they'll be around for a long time to come. Their successful product lines can subsidize mobile while they carve out a piece of the pie. If they don't streamline their mobile OS (time to let go of the desktop influence on mobile devices) this might be a long and expensive proposition.

- Android: Google is a crazy strong innovator. Even with disparity in equipment, carrier/handset manufacturer impacts to new release distribution, and branch efforts like Kindle Fire, Android has similar strategic intents: Google Play provides consolidation of media and apps, and Android converged on the idea of use across small (phone) screens as well as tablets. And the power of the open source community puts *all* sole-sourced development shops at a massive disadvantage. Android will benefit from the collective capabilities of thousands and thousands of talented coders for a long time.

- iOS: I believe Apple's cross platform strategy integrating elements of mobile and desktop (iMessage, iCloud, Photostream) will only become more compelling over time and that strategy keeps Apple in the top 2 for the foreseeable future.

In the end, Android will remain the global dominant choice, Apple will remain a strong number two with the cross platform integration play, MS will remain a distant third if WP8 doesn't blow people away and RIM: Sorry, but they're toast. It was fun while it lasted, but the world moved past them just like it did with Palm.

Excellent post, your mini-essay makes you sound like a veteran market observer. :)
 

jmxp69

macrumors 6502
Dec 10, 2008
324
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Excellent post, your mini-essay makes you sound like a veteran market observer. :)

I've made my career in technology and I definitely love my toys. I have a large family, so I have to make technology decisions carefully because guess who gets to fix things when they break? :cool: I used to build my own computers and do the LAN parties, but now I just want my computing platform to be a toaster. I've lost the desire to read 15 articles on thermal paste to eek out another 100mhz.
 

nuckinfutz

macrumors 603
Jul 3, 2002
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Depends on the Carriers really.

Now that Microsoft is back with a credible platform they're going to leverage

A. The Windows, Exchange and Office hegemony
B. Immense marketing budget (MSFT knows they cannot fail here)
C. Growing retail presence.

Android is largely a carrier driven success. When the carriers saw that Microsoft wasn't ready, RIM was dying on the vine and Palm was rotting the only thing they could counter AT&T and Apple with was Android.

They could just as easily start steering customers into W8 phones. Most of the people I know with Android phones were steered into them. There was nothing specific about the OS that they needed. They went on the recommendation of the rep in their carrier store.

That puts the power into the carrier. Apple has retail stores where they can sell direct. If the carriers stop pushing Android it's going to stop selling in the same numbers.

Yes there's room for 3 platforms but I think people are going to be surprised at how quickly Microsoft regains ground.
 

kenypowa

macrumors 6502a
Oct 16, 2008
711
79
somewhere
Interesting comments so far. Going back to Palm's days as one of the early leaders in handhelds and observing trends over the years:

- I think RIM is done, it's just a question of when. They used to be the go-to choice for business and I rarely see them in the office anymore (Fortune 15 company).

- Even with MS missteps in mobile and my own complete lack of respect for anything MS post Vista, they'll be around for a long time to come. Their successful product lines can subsidize mobile while they carve out a piece of the pie. If they don't streamline their mobile OS (time to let go of the desktop influence on mobile devices) this might be a long and expensive proposition.

- Android: Google is a crazy strong innovator. Even with disparity in equipment, carrier/handset manufacturer impacts to new release distribution, and branch efforts like Kindle Fire, Android has similar strategic intents: Google Play provides consolidation of media and apps, and Android converged on the idea of use across small (phone) screens as well as tablets. And the power of the open source community puts *all* sole-sourced development shops at a massive disadvantage. Android will benefit from the collective capabilities of thousands and thousands of talented coders for a long time.

- iOS: I believe Apple's cross platform strategy integrating elements of mobile and desktop (iMessage, iCloud, Photostream) will only become more compelling over time and that strategy keeps Apple in the top 2 for the foreseeable future.

In the end, Android will remain the global dominant choice, Apple will remain a strong number two with the cross platform integration play, MS will remain a distant third if WP8 doesn't blow people away and RIM: Sorry, but they're toast. It was fun while it lasted, but the world moved past them just like it did with Palm.

Exactly my thought as well. Excellent post.
 

scott craft

macrumors 6502a
Feb 10, 2011
697
143
Louisiana
Depends on the Carriers really.

Now that Microsoft is back with a credible platform they're going to leverage

A. The Windows, Exchange and Office hegemony
B. Immense marketing budget (MSFT knows they cannot fail here)
C. Growing retail presence.

Android is largely a carrier driven success. When the carriers saw that Microsoft wasn't ready, RIM was dying on the vine and Palm was rotting the only thing they could counter AT&T and Apple with was Android.

They could just as easily start steering customers into W8 phones. Most of the people I know with Android phones were steered into them. There was nothing specific about the OS that they needed. They went on the recommendation of the rep in their carrier store.

That puts the power into the carrier. Apple has retail stores where they can sell direct. If the carriers stop pushing Android it's going to stop selling in the same numbers.

Yes there's room for 3 platforms but I think people are going to be surprised at how quickly Microsoft regains ground.

I agree with all of this. I think it's going to be really great for us if/when Microsoft gets decent marketshare and increases the competition between platforms.
 

DeSnousa

macrumors 68000
Jan 20, 2005
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Brisbane, Australia
I personally think there is room for 3 major players, if not 4 depending on how RIMs BB10 hits the market next year.

I think consumers have changed and we are not going to see something again like where Windows pretty much owned the PC market.
 

roxxette

macrumors 68000
Aug 9, 2011
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I know the top guy in latin america believe it or not is RIM :D people go crazy for BBM, plans are cheap too.
 

opinioncircle

macrumors 6502
May 17, 2009
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I know the top guy in latin america believe it or not is RIM :D people go crazy for BBM, plans are cheap too.

You're def right. And when travelling a bit around the world, read the Middle East, you'll see a pretty big variety of cell phones.

Blackberries, Nokias, iPhones, Androids, even prior OS'es....Really there are bits for everyone. Why corner the market to only 3 choices???:eek:
 
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