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mpConroe

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Feb 14, 2017
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I really don't know the point of this discussion.
Apple WILL NOT change the CPU's in their Macs to AMD Ryzen. It's just NOT going to happen. They will stay with Intel processors with AMD graphics cards.
Unfortunately, I don't think that they will switch to nVidias graphics cards either :(
 

danielwsmithee

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Mar 12, 2005
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The only way that Apple will go to AMD for the main processor is if they go to Custom SOC that integrate multiple Zen cores, ARM co-processors, and AMD graphics into a single chip. I don't see that happening for at least 3-4 years or more.

The fact that Ryzen 7 could make a compelling iMac, and ThreadRipper could make a compelling Mac Pro just makes the prospects of future custom AMD SOC a possibility in my mind.

The other thing to consider is that custom SOCs require large volume to be successful and worthwhile. The iPhone+iPad support this development model. I'm not sure if Macs would...

The best thing for Apple to do is to start innovating again on the Mac using Intel and AMD graphics while investigating a transition to AMD SOCs. I'm relatively certain they have already started investigating all of these possibilities.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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Very good points. I completely agree. I am looking forward to AMD's APUs due early 2018 for my Plex server/HTPC.

I think many Intel fans will find that its an upsetting fact that AMD can do integrated graphics (APU) better. Even now with Intels HD 630 (Kaby Lake) is finally starting putting up a fight against AMD's inbuilt R7 of yesteryear. Even then its still not quite as good all around.

I guess the obvious argument against that is if you are going without dedicated graphics then you shouldn't need much more then Intels offering. And that is true however better graphic performance is better graphic performance no matter which way you twist it. That little bit of a difference could be all you need to prevent you from needing dedicated graphics and will end up saving you money.

Depending on software and board partner support a modern AMD APU in a SFF case could be a wicked little HTPC box that supports all of the latest tech (12-bit RGB HDR 4k 60+hz etc etc). Obvious support for stream services would be needed but for your own media its all there.
 

turbineseaplane

macrumors P6
Mar 19, 2008
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I guess the obvious argument against that is if you are going without dedicated graphics then you shouldn't need much more then Intels offering.

Yeah - I find it frustrating as I'd love to have a moderately powerful iGPU on a 15" so it could do the 5k driving (Kaby Lake iGPU's can't apparently) and then hook up to an eGPU for way more power on gaming & FCPX type of uses.

I don't really want to tote around a dGPU, but I do like larger screens.
 

letumexordo

macrumors newbie
Sep 12, 2017
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Why not? Just why? I wonder why people wouldn't even want Ryzen or something else CPU Macs. Yes, AMD was behind Intel but today it isn't, it also went ahead against some high-end Intel CPUs. Mindlessly? lol. When you compare stuffs you have to cover their price rate too. You can't compare with $500-$2500. If you wanna compare them as matter of benchmarking then you can as putting the proper counterparts. Like AMD's highest stuff against Intel's. But that's not for users, that's for only satisfy yourself.

Of course you do, nonegenerally but if you can't handle a Mac but still want one as a cheaper price but astronomical prices...

I just want AMD on Macs, because I'm nerd of and obsessive some things. Mac and AMD matches as well I think since both of them are into good designs. AMD is ahead of nVidia on that, they have simple User Interface on their drivers so far while AMD kept upgrading. They have upgraded the User Interface 2 times I have seen so far. On the first one you could view the graphics' settings' changes as visual on objects. Then it has removed. Then now we have the faster and some buggy version(at least on the beta) Radeon Software Crimson ReLive Edition. And Macs' icons' Operation System's design is so nice. And AMD's icons' designs too. So I want both together. Yes, I'm obsessive with design a bit.

And gg, you were talking about some stuff that didn't even released yet. Now Ryzen kicks asses.
 

qepsilonp

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Jul 8, 2018
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Hell the sooner Apple dumps AMD in favour of Nvidia on the GPU side as well, the better.

LULZ the very fact that you suggest that Apple would EVER use a Nvidia GPU again shows that you don't know a damn thing about Apples motivations or there history.

The reason Apple doesn't use Nvidia GPUs is because Nvidia burned them multiple times by providing them chips that would die after months of usage, then proceeded to blame system integrators like Mac for the issues.

Apple hates Nvidia so much that a representative literally came out on camera in front on an audience and said after this hole mess, "This is what I think of you Nvidia" and stuck his middle finger up at the camera.

If there is one thing Apple will ACTUALLY never do, it is that they will never use a Nvidia GPU.

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Why not? Just why? I wonder why people wouldn't even want Ryzen or something else CPU Macs.

And to that Apple is all about perception, and AMD still has a bad image with a lot of people. So unless AMD changes there image in the majority of peoples eyes Apple will stick with Intel.

And the only way AMD is going to do that quickly is if they release a CPU that beats Intel in every metric to leave no room for people to say AMD's CPUs are **** because they are not as good as Intel CPUs in this specific area.
 
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tubeexperience

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Feb 17, 2016
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And to that Apple is all about perception, and AMD still has a bad image with a lot of people. So unless AMD changes there image in the majority of peoples eyes Apple will stick with Intel.

Apple doesn't care. With bean counter, Tim Cook, at the wheel, Apple is looking to squeeze every dollar possible.

The problem with Zen is that it doesn't support Thunderbolt natively.

That means that Apple is going to have to integrate a controller for Thunderbolt and that costs $$$.

And the only way AMD is going to do that quickly is if they release a CPU that beats Intel in every metric to leave no room for people to say AMD's CPUs are **** because they are not as good as Intel CPUs in this specific area.

...so, you mean next year with Zen 2
 

qepsilonp

macrumors newbie
Jul 8, 2018
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...so, you mean next year with Zen 2
No I don't believe AMD will win in every metric when it comes to Zen 2, I do however think they will be close enough on most and beat Intel in a few areas.

Also if Apple had implemented Ryzen based CPUs back when this thread was first started off they could have gotten a 8 core machine which does actually fair well against the 6900k for significantly cheaper, also Ryzen doesn't disable ECC artificially it's just not validated by AMD on Ryzen, so they could have also implemented ECC which then basically makes it a competitor to low core count Xeon, which the low core count Xeons don't have the same boost clocks as the enthusiast parts so it would fair even better.

So Apple could have spent say $300 on the CPU vs $1000 you could validate ECC and implement thunderbolt for less than $700, and honestly more as we would have been talking about the Xeons so there is even more savings.

And honestly I think AMD would have given Apple a great deal on CPUs just to have them in Apple machines because it would win them quite a bit of mind share.
 

tubeexperience

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Feb 17, 2016
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No I don't believe AMD will win in every metric when it comes to Zen 2, I do however think they will be close enough on most and beat Intel in a few areas.

Also if Apple had implemented Ryzen based CPUs back when this thread was first started off they could have gotten a 8 core machine which does actually fair well against the 6900k for significantly cheaper, also Ryzen doesn't disable ECC artificially it's just not validated by AMD on Ryzen, so they could have also implemented ECC which then basically makes it a competitor to low core count Xeon, which the low core count Xeons don't have the same boost clocks as the enthusiast parts so it would fair even better.

So Apple could have spent say $300 on the CPU vs $1000 you could validate ECC and implement thunderbolt for less than $700, and honestly more as we would have been talking about the Xeons so there is even more savings.

And honestly I think AMD would have given Apple a great deal on CPUs just to have them in Apple machines because it would win them quite a bit of mind share.

Do you realize that Intel is going to release Skylake for the fourth time?

It's not exactly hard for AMD to beat a non-moving target.
 

qepsilonp

macrumors newbie
Jul 8, 2018
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Ah Intel hasn't moved on a architectural standpoint, but they have improved there node. Honestly it's likely because the 14nm node was so bad to start off with that there was soo much room for improvement, well when I say bad the original Intel 14nm node for transistor performance was still a little bit better than GloFo's licenced 14LPP node. So when I say it was bad I simply mean it wasn't much of an improvement over the 22nm node in performance.

So there was a lot of gas left in the tank, because as much as you can say that the 14nm++ node isn't a new node and they didn't change the architecture it was still a pretty good improvement being able to increase the core count by 50% and only increase power consumption by a few watts over there previous CPU and maintain the all core boost clock is pretty impressive for a simple refinement of a node.

I don't like Intel as a company, but I am not going to sit here and say there products are complete **** in the mainstream market right now Intel is generally the better option unless you are a power user on a budget.

And believe me I am hype AF for Zen 2, probable 4.8Ghz+ single core turbos, probably 12 cores, probably a ~5% IPC increase over Zen+, but I assume in some places AMD will still come out marginally behind due to the latency of the infinity fabric, even if AMD manages to cut it in halve cross CCX communication will still be slower than Intel's ring bus which will continue to effect AMDs gaming performance.

BUT!!! I think you will get 95% of Intel's performance where AMD loses, which given that you should be getting ~40% extra multi threaded performance, and honestly if you are complaining about 95 FPS vs 100 FPS I think you are probably a fanboy and should be ignored.

So basically I think any reasonable person would choice AMD at that point.
 

Feenician

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Jun 13, 2016
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Apple hates Nvidia so much that a representative literally came out on camera in front on an audience and said after this hole mess, "This is what I think of you Nvidia" and stuck his middle finger up at the camera.

That was Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux. Most definitely not an Apple employee.

 
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