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Cider is the answer for the moment for both mac os and windows. Yes, it lacks lossless and icloud music library support (for now) but despite being currently in beta, it works fantastically well, fast, fluid, and without any fuss.
 

alienfreak51

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Apple just needs to start over with Music. This is still built on the framework of Sound Jam, which was great when life was simply about managing mp3's. Everything I ever liked about iTunes is long gone. Every change they make seems to make it worse. In monterey its completely wonky and unreliable, as well as confounding and poorly structured. They need to pay attention to this. It needs to be more than a revenue center for streaming music. It needs to return to being a handy and useful way to manage (tens of) thousands of music files of different types as well.
 
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DHagan4755

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Apple Music would benefit from Apple making music.apple.com a progressive web app & supporting PWAs via Webkit on macOS. The fact that I have to use a Chromium browser for PWAs is annoying.
 

Yendog

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I am a professional musician and teacher and I curse the app every day... it is TERRRRRRIBLE... and to think I was excited when it moved from "iTunes" and it somehow got WORSE!
 
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Yendog

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Apple just needs to start over with Music. This is still built on the framework of Sound Jam, which was great when life was simply about managing mp3's. Everything I ever liked about iTunes is long gone. Every change they make seems to make it worse. In monterey its completely wonky and unreliable, as well as confounding and poorly structured. They need to pay attention to this. It needs to be more than a revenue center for streaming music. It needs to return to being a handy and useful way to manage (tens of) thousands of music files of different types as well.
bingo
 
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Yendog

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any indication at ALL that the Music app will be any better with Ventura? NOT THE STREAMING part.. some of us have the FILES and the UI is a disaster with this program. I can't believe that they somehow made something that is vastly WORSE than the last iTunes iteration... amazing.
 

B/D

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any indication at ALL that the Music app will be any better with Ventura? NOT THE STREAMING part.. some of us have the FILES and the UI is a disaster with this program. I can't believe that they somehow made something that is vastly WORSE than the last iTunes iteration... amazing.


I know is not exactly a consolation, but the streaming part is equally bad. I do not know what streaming backend protocol and tech Apple uses, but it is the slower, most prone to skip songs, stuck buffering errors or skipping errors of all the streaming services. Spotify, Deezer and Amazon are much faster. You click on a song, and it´s almost like it is a local song downloaded on your HD. And I´m talking, in the case of Amazon and Deezer, about lossless files.

And then there is the Music app itself, like you say, a buggy disaster with plenty of UI errors.

At least we know Apple Classical is coming. I hope this will also introduce a complete overhaul of the Music app.
 
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ric22

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I agree. It's baffling how they made something worse than iTunes, and can't even get the streaming side of things up to an acceptable level. This is the world's biggest company doing something that shouldn't be incredibly difficult.
 
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Jack Neill

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Cider is the answer for the moment for both mac os and windows. Yes, it lacks lossless and icloud music library support (for now) but despite being currently in beta, it works fantastically well, fast, fluid, and without any fuss.
Thank you for this, I didn't know this existed. I'm digging it.
 

Yendog

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Thank you for this, I didn't know this existed. I'm digging it.
Never heard of it. Maybe I will check it out. What a disaster. I literally am a professional musician so I am using iTunes constantly. The entire day all day and it is such piece of crap. Sorry quote Apple Music” which is also stupid. They have the same name for the streaming service as for the program so it becomes very hard to search for and discuss. I don’t do any of the streaming.
 

johnsawyercjs

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Since Apple has resolutely decided that the Music app on macOS will remain permanently buggy, but the Music app on the iPhone works as it's supposed to, then it's possible Apple has deprecated the macOS version of Music and is planning on replacing it with the iOS version at some point, once more people have Macs with M-series processors capable of running iOS apps natively. This may be another instance of Apple's typical cutthroat policy of "conserving employee resources" by deprecating or even entirely dropping support for things that they plan to replace at some point, even if that process takes years.
 
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J.Gallardo

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Since Apple has resolutely decided that the Music app on macOS will remain permanently buggy, but the Music app on the iPhone works as it's supposed to, then it's possible Apple has deprecated the macOS version of Music and is planning on replacing it with the iOS version at some point, once more people have Macs with M-series processors capable of running iOS apps natively. This may be another instance of Apple's typical cutthroat policy of "conserving employee resources" by deprecating or even entirely dropping support for things that they plan to replace at some point, even if that process takes years.
Music app goes where Apple clearly wants. It’s a front app for Apple Music subscribers, and that’s all.
I’m using a third part player for MY music, and I love Apple Music also, as a subscriber (a few glitches, but it’s mostly responsive, and works beautifully at synchronization in all your Apple devices).
I guessed years ago Apple’s intention, when trying to have own music & Apple subscription at same time started to be a nightmare. Even the acceptable behavior of iPhone Music app is intended, because it’s needed for Carplay, Airpods … showing off! Music will keep the ability to play own music just as testimonial aid to sell the “ecosystem“.
I think it’s time to stop whining and start searching for a good player and library manager if you want to use your own big music collection. That’s all; no solution, no hope for Music app to do what a lot of people seem to need, as I read this forum thread.
(IMHO)
 
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flang

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Aug 11, 2012
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just updated to Monty. Music was pretty OK in BS, but this is broke.
When I sort by title it only goes as far as "G".
All other songs are missing from the library.
But all Artists and album names are there.
Tried a pram reset and cleared the cache of Music, n/c.
Small yet annoying.
 

aespana

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Feb 21, 2020
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I use Retroactive to download the old iTunes for Monterey and let's go. Apple Music app on Mac OS is incredible bad for a service with that amount of monthly users..

Yes Apple, there are people who listen in their desktop/laptop machines
 

ric22

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It is mind bogglingly bad, isn't it. After the years of people moaning about iTunes, it's amazing they made something substantially worse
 

StellarVixen

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Is this the Apple Music hate thread? Yes, this is the Apple Music hate thread.

One more bug, after adding song to an album, you do not see it in the list. In this example, #8 is added, but not visible in the list.

I have to go somewhere else and return for list to "refresh". This wasn't broken on Big Sur, now it is broken on Monterey. Instead of getting better, this app is getting worse over time. 😂😂😂
 
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