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Can't decide on which gen Mac Pro

TzunamiOSX said:
Here is a list about the upcoming E5 Xeons. A 12 core must be a Xeon E5-2695 v2 2,4 GHz or a Xeon E5-2697 v2 2,7 GHz

http://www.sqlskills.com/blogs/glen...2-series-processors-ivy-bridge-ep-in-q3-2013/
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Must be? OK. I don't pretend to know anything. I thought the 2600 family were all 2-socket-server parts and that the single-socket parts were the 1600 series? I went by Intel's own document which BTW doesn't show any 12-core chips yet. So I figured it was just something yet-to-be-announced.

But I do kinda wonder if a blog by a single guy named Glenn is all that worthy of our trust in regards to matters such as these. <shrug>
 
Tesselator said:
Must be? OK. I don't pretend to know anything. I thought the 2600 family were all 2-socket-server parts and that the single-socket parts were the 1600 series? I went by Intel's own document which BTW doesn't show any 12-core chips yet. So I figured it was just something yet-to-be-announced.

But I do kinda wonder if a blog by a single guy named Glenn is all that worthy of our trust in regards to matters such as these. <shrug>
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Wrong list.This is a list of the Sandy Bidge Generation, not the Ivy Brige.

http://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-2013...on-e52600-v2-sport-12-cores-xeon-e7-15-cores/

the information about the Xeons came from asrocks
 
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cledet said:
Not sure why you get this impression I'm against the new Mac Pro. I just prefer the current generation because of the ability to expansion and perform my own upgrades.
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I was more talking to the overall attitude on MR regarding the Pro.
 
Tesselator said:
OK, so the new one will be 32,000 to 34,000 somewhere. I said "whatever" meaning I dunno the number - but it'll be faster than the 5,1 and that's reason enough for many people to go for it - even if not you personally.
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Depends. Apple is no longer doing a dual CPU model. The highest end single CPU available in the Mac Pro right now scores around a 16k. Modern SB Xeons score around 18-20k. Ivy-B isn't about performance. We are looking at around ~8% more performance per clock. The leaked geekbench shows the new Mac Pro hitting around the 23k mark. It is a big upgrade over the current model's single CPU set up but not quite up to the dual CPU models.

The dual CPU current Mac Pros should be more powerful until Haswell releases in the late 2014 at the earliest.
 
Single core, dual core ... isn't the point of this thread whether the old generation is adequate?
 
Good points MacMilligan.


tamvly, is it? I'm not sure. But "adequate" for games as the OP says is the point could be even the MP1,1. I think I have all of the major games released for native OS X and they all run fine at 1080p with everything tuned on or set to the max on my MP1,1 with 32GB RAM and a GTX570. Very adequate IMO. The MP3,1 would be better and the 5,1 even better still. Maybe there's close to two times the performance in a decked out 5,1 as there is in a decked out 1,1.

I kinda thought the thread was more about the cutting edge fastest (for games) among Apple hardware and which and when to buy, no?
 
Tesselator said:
Must be? OK. I don't pretend to know anything. I thought the 2600 family were all 2-socket-server parts and that the single-socket parts were the 1600 series? I went by Intel's own document which BTW doesn't show any 12-core chips yet. So I figured it was just something yet-to-be-announced.

But I do kinda wonder if a blog by a single guy named Glenn is all that worthy of our trust in regards to matters such as these. <shrug>
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They could use 1600s parts too, but it's unlikely that 1600s will include 12 core cpus. The current 1600s go to 6 while 2600 goes to 8. I suspect this design really has 1600s variants in mind over the longer term.
 
Tesselator said:
That's all true too. But the 6,1 will be faster at whatever...
  • Point one: The 6,1 will almost surely be faster than the 5,1 - and likely significantly so.
  • Point two: We have already and will continue to see an increase of MP 5,1 deals on ebay as time goes on.
I guess those are both pretty close to absolute facts. :p
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Absolute Facts ??? Initial indications on Geekbench scores place the NMP in the low to mid 20k

Hows this for an Absolute Fact. When Apple releases the prices for those new machines many of those who want to embrace it will be scrambling to buy those 5,1s on ebay...... :rolleyes:
 
Can old Mac 5,1 do 4k

Mac Proers,

I posted this question on another thread , but did not get answer.

I have a Mac Pro 5,1 with 12 cores. It has more than adequate CPU grunt for me, but I want to get 4k monitor connected via HDMI 1.4.

Has anyone got 4k output from current Mac Pro?

Or is need for 4k going to drive me to upgrade to new Gen Mac Pro :-(

I do not want to spend money on upgrade if I don't need to.

Zebity
(Mac Pro 5,1 with Nvidia Titan, n x mini Mac, MacBook Pro with Retina Display)
 
thekev said:
They could use 1600s parts too, but it's unlikely that 1600s will include 12 core cpus. The current 1600s go to 6 while 2600 goes to 8. I suspect this design really has 1600s variants in mind over the longer term.
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Sounds reasonable. I think the important bit to remember is that we just don't know yet. The MP6,1 isn't coming for about 5 or 6 months and a lot can happen in that time. Apple is probably privy to information we aren't and I guess we can't be sure that the sample units they circulated are using the same processors the finished product will sport. They've done that one before. :p I persoanlly would even welcome an additional 6 month delay if it meant we got the faster newer processors. :)

Dr. Stealth said:
Absolute Facts ??? Initial indications on Geekbench scores place the NMP in the low to mid 20k

Hows this for an Absolute Fact. When Apple releases the prices for those new machines many of those who want to embrace it will be scrambling to buy those 5,1s on ebay...... :rolleyes:
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Likely true. Of course we all hope not. :) But I said close to absolute facts - which is a little different. Right, has Apple ever released a machine which was slower than the previous generation (top end compared to top end)? So I guess saying "will almost surely be faster" is "pretty close" to being absolutely true - expectedly. And of course I don't think anyone doubts that "We have already and will continue to see an increase of MP 5,1 deals on ebay as time goes on" do you?
 
Tesselator said:
And of course I don't think anyone doubts that "We have already and will continue to see an increase of MP 5,1 deals on ebay as time goes on" do you?
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I don't doubt that at all. But people aren't dumping them 5 months in advance of the NMP release to wait for the NMP. The 5,1s being dropped on ebay are from people "Switching" to PCs after the NMP announcement. They waited 2-3 years for a new MP and had the carpet pulled out from them.
 
zebity said:
I have a Mac Pro 5,1 with 12 cores. It has more than adequate CPU grunt for me, but I want to get 4k monitor connected via HDMI 1.4.

Has anyone got 4k output from current Mac Pro?
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More importantly, does HDMI even support 4k?

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Dr. Stealth said:
I don't doubt that at all. But people aren't dumping them 5 months in advance of the NMP release to wait for the NMP. The 5,1s being dropped on ebay are from people "Switching" to PCs after the NMP announcement. They waited 2-3 years for a new MP and had the carpet pulled out from them.
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Or perhaps upgrading to a new 5,1 with new Applecare, and perhaps a speed bump from the model they had.
 
Dr. Stealth said:
The 5,1s being dropped on ebay are from people "Switching" to PCs after the NMP announcement. They waited 2-3 years for a new MP and had the carpet pulled out from them.
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I suppose this may be happening. But it seems to me that a lot of folks are waiting for the details before making a decision.
 
Tesselator said:
Sounds reasonable. I think the important bit to remember is that we just don't know yet. The MP6,1 isn't coming for about 5 or 6 months and a lot can happen in that time. Apple is probably privy to information we aren't and I guess we can't be sure that the sample units they circulated are using the same processors the finished product will sport. They've done that one before. :p I persoanlly would even welcome an additional 6 month delay if it meant we got the faster newer processors. :)
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Well there have been rumors of E5s up to 12 cores. I wouldn't be surprised if 1600s jumped up a bit too, but they never reach maximum core count levels. I suggested they would at least use some of them due to the cost difference. If bleeding edge core counts are not the end goal, it's feasible that they could drive the line in the direction of primarily or solely 1600 parts. They probably do not want to offer fewer cores than than its predecessor here.

Ursadorable said:
More importantly, does HDMI even support 4k?
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Revision 1.4 at around 30hz, 2.0 at 60. Displayport is still a better standard. HDMI was really made for television use.
 
thekev said:
Well there have been rumors of E5s up to 12 cores. I wouldn't be surprised if 1600s jumped up a bit too, but they never reach maximum core count levels.
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E5 2600 v2's in 12 but the E5 1600 v2's are still very likely capped at 6 cores. They are designed/configured for much higher base clock rates at far more affordable prices. Primarily for folks who have mixed workloads of both highly scalar and parallel workloads.

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2013/...ge-E_extreme_CPUs_to_launch_in_September.html

1600's same basic stats with first column changed to 1620 , 1650 , 1660

Haswell will probably get a core count bump because would have been full tick/tock cycle to 8 because can move up to 8 can not loose base clock rate at all for same TDP budget. But would be another whole tick/tock cycle till moved again. By then, ~2016, whether it is Phi cores or GPU cores being added is up in the air.


If bleeding edge core counts are not the end goal, it's feasible that they could drive the line in the direction of primarily or solely 1600 parts.
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It isn't a primary goal least they would have stuck with a dual package variant. Price (hence demand ) is an issue. There is zero rational reason not to use 1600 parts in the new Mac Pro. The question is really whether there are any models with 2600 parts in the standard configurations at all. The 2600 options could be purely regulated to the BTO configurations. There is absolutely Apple has said so far that conflicts with that. "Up to XXX " actually is more indicative of BTO than not.
 
Dr. Stealth said:
I don't doubt that at all. But people aren't dumping them 5 months in advance of the NMP release to wait for the NMP. The 5,1s being dropped on ebay are from people "Switching" to PCs after the NMP announcement. They waited 2-3 years for a new MP and had the carpet pulled out from them.
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Ursadorable said:
Or perhaps upgrading to a new 5,1 with new Applecare, and perhaps a speed bump from the model they had.
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Yeah, it's pretty hard to try and guess why 5,1 systems are showing up on e-pay type sites more often than 3 or 4 months ago. I repair, and recondition camera lenses and other optical systems for auction on such sites (internationally) as a hobby and MacPro systems and parts are of some interest to me - so I check in regularly. I haven't really tried to asses why there are more in recent times - just noticed the trend is all. You guys seem like you're more in tune with that sort of thing than I - so I'll happily listen to what you guys think.


thekev said:
Well there have been rumors of E5s up to 12 cores. I wouldn't be surprised if 1600s jumped up a bit too, but they never reach maximum core count levels. I suggested they would at least use some of them due to the cost difference. If bleeding edge core counts are not the end goal, it's feasible that they could drive the line in the direction of primarily or solely 1600 parts. They probably do not want to offer fewer cores than than its predecessor here.
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Yeah. The first thing that comes to mind reading your reply is that rumors even when accurate are incomplete. Some rumor about the 2600 series might be right on but nothing comes out about the four-socket parts or the single-socket parts. Or whatever, you know what I mean I hope. So whatever rumors there are at present may or may not be at all relevant.

I'm not sure I follow the later part of your message (8 liters of beers and 15 orders of sushi completed just 40min ago) but Intel has been about core count and almost only core count for the past... what... 8 years now? So I guess it's safe to assume that their single-socket Xeon designs will follow that theme as well. It probably won't be too awfully long before the 1900 E9 series or waterer they call it, are sporting 24 cores. When or if the E5 single socket 1600 series chips will have 12 cores is beyond my rational abilities to guess at. To my mind it's a coin-toss. <shrug>
 
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Tesselator said:
I'm not sure I follow the later part of your message (8 liters of beers and 15 orders of sushi completed just 40min ago) but Intel has been about core count and almost only core count for the past... what... 8 years now? So I guess it's safe to assume that their single-socket Xeon designs will follow that theme as well. It probably won't be too awfully long before the 1900 E9 series or waterer they call it, are sporting 24 cores. When or if the E5 single socket 1600 series chips will have 12 cores is beyond my rational abilities to guess at. To my mind it's a coin-toss. <shrug>
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Oh man that sounds great. Now I want beer and suhi:mad:. I don't think I could consume that much of it though. I wasn't referring to intel. I was referring to Apple there saying that they probably did not wish to drop below 12 cores even with the migration from dual to single socket. E7s are supposed to come with 15 cores, but those aren't exactly made for workstations. Aside from the rumors Apple did show off a 12 core model with the preview. You might note their "up to" specs.
 
thekev said:
Oh man that sounds great. Now I want beer and suhi:mad:. I don't think I could consume that much of it though.
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The letters of words are blurring together. Vowels are really kicking my ass for sure. Dang vowels! :) And while 8 liters of beer is the most I've had (at once) in awhile an order of sushi isn't very big:

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I wasn't referring to intel. I was referring to Apple there saying that they probably did not wish to drop below 12 cores even with the migration from dual to single socket. E7s are supposed to come with 15 cores, but those aren't exactly made for workstations. Aside from the rumors Apple did show off a 12 core model with the preview. You might note their "up to" specs.
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Yup, I caught that. :) But also it's not completely clear to me that Apple won't be using E7 parts. Sure they said E5 at WWDC but it wouldn't be the first time they said one thing and did another - especially if they were under a gag or something - via contractual agreement or whatever.

Also Apple has stepped on themselves several times since going with Intel parts. Releasing systems based on one generation only to update the platform less than a year later with the next generation - so that could be afoot here as well - maybe. :p

Why do you say that E7 isn't workstation grade? It's xeon right?
 
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After doing a little research, I'm even more leaning toward the 6,1.

If I bought a 5,1 it would be the hexcore 3.3GHz model which uses a Xeon W3680 processor and has a CPU passmark of 9233. My current PC/Hackintosh has an i7-3770K (not overclocked) which has a CPU passmark of 9596.

I don't really want to take a step backwards in performance, but I do want a genuine MP.

My only concern at this point is the GPU options available.
 
get a stock 5.1 $800-1000, buy the w3680 for $500-600, put 2 ssd's in raid 0, and get a gtx 670, buy a orico usb 3.0....
 
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