Chameleon SSD enables TRIM under Yosemite :)

[RamCity]

Or I should say TRIM or not to trim? Now that I know what the big grey stop sign is and their is a possible terminal fix to repair. What is the safest way to use TRIM ENABLER?
Bob.

There is no safe way to use TRIM Enabler on Yosemite. Your choices are to roll back to an earlier version of OSX, or use an SSD with native Trim support.

The only third party SSD that I know of with this is the Angelbird SSD wrk for Mac line of SSDs. Make sure you buy the SSD wrk for Mac, not the SSD wrk, if you are planning to use it in a Mac. The SSD Wrk for Mac has the correct firmware for native TRIM support on all versions of OSX since TRIM support was introduced.

EDIT: Yes, we do sell this product on our website. It is readily available in many other places. Angelbird.com or Amazon.com, NCIX, bhphotovideo just to name a few.

 

[m4v3r1ck]

Angelbird SSD wrk for Mac, yeh right!

There is no safe way to use TRIM Enabler on Yosemite. Your choices are to roll back to an earlier version of OSX, or use an SSD with native Trim support.

Please clarify this statement, a lot of us are using TE from Cindori!

The only third party SSD that I know of with this is the Angelbird SSD wrk for Mac line of SSDs. Make sure you buy the SSD wrk for Mac, not the SSD wrk, if you are planning to use it in a Mac. The SSD Wrk for Mac has the correct firmware for native TRIM support on all versions of OSX since TRIM support was introduced.

What are you trying to pull from here? Unless I'm dead wrong of course...

EDIT: This TRIM thingy is getting more confusing every day, to say the least........

 

[RamCity]

Please clarify this statement, a lot of us are using TE from Cindori!

For clarification, see the Cindori website. They explain in detail how KEXT signing needs to be disabled for Trim Enabler to work on OSX Yosemite.

What are you trying to pull from here? Unless I'm dead wrong of course...

I think I understand your point and have edited my original post to make it clearer. My vendor affiliation is in my signature. Yes, we sell that product (the SSD wrk for Mac), and so do other vendors.

 

[m4v3r1ck]

AngleBird <?> Apple

For clarification, see the Cindori website. They explain in detail how KEXT signing needs to be disabled for Trim Enabler to work on OSX Yosemite.

Thanks for your prompt reply!

I think I understand your point and have edited my original post to make it clearer. My vendor affiliation is in my signature. Yes, we sell that product (the SSD wrk for Mac), and so do other vendors.

Thanks for being a sport, but:

1. How did Anglebird acquire that kext-signing-thingy - to do the tweak - from Apple's secret vaults, while giants like Samsung and others have not?

2. As Cindori stated on his website, what are the odds Apple finding out and recoding any next update of OSX 10.10.x and make their SSDs not natively trimmed anymore. Better to buy a Samsung where you know upfront, that you'll have to 'tweak' it before it comes alive with trim enabled.

Or there is a simple explanation, that Apple already owes AngleBird?

Puzzles me more and more and more, but yet a lot to learn, and yes we'll have to be on a very steep learning curve regarding SSDs.

Cheers

 

[RamCity]

Thanks for your prompt reply!

Thanks for being a sport, but:

1. How did Anglebird acquire that kext-signing-thingy - to do the tweak - from Apple's secret vaults, while giants like Samsung and others have not?

Angelbird are very tight-lipped about how they get it to work. But it's also nothing new to them - it's been a feature of their SSD's for 2 years. They definitely don't do it by disabling KEXT signing though - it's all in the firmware.

2. As Cindori stated on his website, what are the odds Apple finding out and recoding any next update of OSX 10.10.x and make their SSDs not natively trimmed anymore. Better to buy a Samsung where you know upfront, that you'll have to 'tweak' it before it comes alive with trim enabled.

Or there is a simple explanation, that Apple already owes AngleBird?

Puzzles me more and more and more, but yet a lot to learn, and yes we'll have to be on a very steep learning curve regarding SSDs.

Cheers

What if indeed? Right now, they have a product that works. If Apple change things, then Angelbird will adapt I'm sure.

 

[flowrider]

Angelbird are very tight-lipped about how they get it to work.

From what I understand their SSD is identified as an Apple Device by the OS. This identification is not really difficult for the manufacturer. But, is it legal? AFAIK, Apple has not taken any action against them.

And, it was discussed in this thread on pages 4 and 5:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1807889/

Lou

 

[AidenShaw]

Puzzles me more and more and more, but yet a lot to learn, and yes we'll have to be on a very steep learning curve regarding SSDs.

The "learning curve" is to figure out how to hit the moving target that Apple is creating in order to "encourage" one to only buy SSDs from Apple.

With other operating systems, you simply plug the SSD in. The operating system uses an industry standard SATA or SAS API to query the drive and ask "do you do TRIM".

If the drive says "Yes" on the industry standard API, then the OS enables TRIM on the drive.

No drama, TRIM "just works".

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

...For instance, did you know that the developer is mining your hardware and sending information about your computer to his server? Without your permission?...

I use Little Snitch. Problem solved. ;-)

 

[Cindori]

What if indeed? Right now, they have a product that works. If Apple change things, then Angelbird will adapt I'm sure.

They can't. Angelbird are fooling the Apple drivers to identify their SSD's as Apple SSD's. They did not "add Trim support" in any way, nor are they able to. If Apple changes their identification scheme, Angelbird and their customers are SOL. The product will stop working as advertised, and there is nothing in Angelbird's power to save them from that.

For now, it works better than having to use Trim Enabler. But the fact is, that Angelbird customers might find this "killer feature" to simply disappear when they update to OSX 10.10.4 or whatever. Something Angelbird isn't really keen on letting their customers know.

 

[VirtualRain]

They can't. Angelbird are fooling the Apple drivers to identify their SSD's as Apple SSD's. They did not "add Trim support" in any way, nor are they able to. If Apple changes their identification scheme, Angelbird and their customers are SOL. The product will stop working as advertised, and there is nothing in Angelbird's power to save them from that.

For now, it works better than having to use Trim Enabler. But the fact is, that Angelbird customers might find this "killer feature" to simply disappear when they update to OSX 10.10.4 or whatever. Something Angelbird isn't really keen on letting their customers know.

Apple likely doesn't care enough to turn this into an arms race. Apple doesn't sell aftermarket SSDs and only offers a handful of mostly EOL products can use 2.5" SSDs anyway. I applaud Angelbird and would encourage other SSD manufacturers to offer "Apple" compatible versions of their SSDs that also emulated the Apple ID in firmware. It's a pretty slick solution.

 

[Cindori]

Apple likely doesn't care enough to turn this into an arms race. Apple doesn't sell aftermarket SSDs and only offers a handful of mostly EOL products can use 2.5" SSDs anyway. I applaud Angelbird and would encourage other SSD manufacturers to offer "Apple" compatible versions of their SSDs that also emulated the Apple ID in firmware. It's a pretty slick solution.

Apple would never go after Angelbird by intent. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that small structural change in the responsible driver, would break Angelbirds hitchhiking of the Trim support. For instance, denoting Apple SSD's by full model name, i.e "Apple SSD TS128C" instead of the current "APPLE SSD". Hence, Angelbird can not guarantee that their SSD's will continue to get Trim in future OS versions.

 

[VirtualRain]

Apple would never go after Angelbird by intent. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that small structural change in the responsible driver, would break Angelbirds Trim support. For instance, denoting Apple SSD's by full model name, i.e "Apple SSD TS128C" instead of the current "APPLE SSD". Hence, Angelbird can not guarantee that their SSD's will continue to get Trim in future OS versions.

Yeah, I see what you mean... that would suck