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Very Microsoftish. Very. I don't care if Apple had first used MM to sync with the iPod, people should still have a choice. If Microsoft did anything like this, most people here would be screaming for another monopoly lawsuit.
I understand why Apple did this, but I'd like to see what would happen if M$ did something along similar lines.
I understand why Apple did this, but I'd like to see what would happen if M$ did something along similar lines.
how much trouble could a revert option have been? Just park the 'affected' MM files to the side somewhere, when putting the iTunes stuff there, change back if the user so desires. Maybe a few register key would have to be updated. Can't be hard at all - many other programs do this kind of stuff all the time.
Although... I haven't seen a program that snatches the linked extensions (or what are they called again) that will restore them to their former programs. An app doing that without asking first would be seriously frowned upon, I guess...
M.
PS. It feels good to realise I'm actually forgetting this windows stuff from before I switched last April. Or is repressing a better suited word
Although... I haven't seen a program that snatches the linked extensions (or what are they called again) that will restore them to their former programs. An app doing that without asking first would be seriously frowned upon, I guess...
M.
PS. It feels good to realise I'm actually forgetting this windows stuff from before I switched last April. Or is repressing a better suited word
Apple's responsibility to avoid breaking things.
Considering its iTunes that is messing things up I would put the blame squarely on Apple for dicking around with an already functional setup. They've been putting out MM for how long? They should know what to look for during setup to make sure they don't BREAK something.
Considering its iTunes that is messing things up I would put the blame squarely on Apple for dicking around with an already functional setup. They've been putting out MM for how long? They should know what to look for during setup to make sure they don't BREAK something.
Wasn't iTunes originally written from the MusicMatch codebase? I think I remember Steve Jobs saying something like... "If this seems like MusicMatch, that's because it is" when iTunes was first announced. I could be very wrong, as it is a faint memory. If I am right, then it's funny that they are now competing.
Did MusicMatch write the iPod syncing functionality, or was this something that Apple wrote and threw into the iPod-bundled version of MM? If it's the latter, they probably have every right to do with it as they please, but I assume that's not the case if there's a controversy...
I notice MM is making the old iPod plugins for MMJB available to download. Since I assume at least a license with Apple was involved with the creation of the plugin, couldn't Apple Legal force MM to stop distributing their old plugin?
Also, even if iTunes is considered an "upgrade" to the functionality of the MMJB plugin (which it is), that's no reason to uninstall MMJB. I still use both and would be mega-pissed if iTunes deleted it.
I just changed the iTunes music folder location to the root level of my "My Music" folder and run the WatchFolder function on MMJB to add files iTunes added to MusicMatch's library.
Also, even if iTunes is considered an "upgrade" to the functionality of the MMJB plugin (which it is), that's no reason to uninstall MMJB. I still use both and would be mega-pissed if iTunes deleted it.
I just changed the iTunes music folder location to the root level of my "My Music" folder and run the WatchFolder function on MMJB to add files iTunes added to MusicMatch's library.
<sarcasm>Oh no! Apple has become M$, breaking it's competitions software!!! Whatever shall we do!?!<sarcasm>
Oh wait, it's just the iPod syncing. You know, their own product. Now that MM is a competing program, you'd think they'd be allowed to change that part without people freaking out, but we all have to overreact to every stupid thing they do. MM still works just fine (well, as good as it ever did), they got a nice boost from Apple for awhile, but now if people want to use iTunes they can, and will. If they don't like it, they can just go back to MM.
Though, judging by the steps it takes to do that, most people will probably just stay with iTunes. But, I guess that's the point. <sarcasm>How dare Apple use their own products to promote their own products.<sarcasm>
Yeah, sometimes they p*ss me off, too, but I think we can let this one go people.
Oh wait, it's just the iPod syncing. You know, their own product. Now that MM is a competing program, you'd think they'd be allowed to change that part without people freaking out, but we all have to overreact to every stupid thing they do. MM still works just fine (well, as good as it ever did), they got a nice boost from Apple for awhile, but now if people want to use iTunes they can, and will. If they don't like it, they can just go back to MM.
Though, judging by the steps it takes to do that, most people will probably just stay with iTunes. But, I guess that's the point. <sarcasm>How dare Apple use their own products to promote their own products.<sarcasm>
Yeah, sometimes they p*ss me off, too, but I think we can let this one go people.
proper notification
I have no idea as to any of the wording on the Win iTunes install, but I know that I would like to be informed of that kind of change. Those of you who use Toast recall in OS 9 that when you install it, it tells you its going to disable the Apple CD Burner extensions before it actually installs it and tells you how to change it. Granted its a hell of a lot easier to make those changes on the mac vs. the 18 steps MM listed. I would just like to think that Apple would inform its potential user that the ipod synching was going to be changed over. Can anyone out there who has installed Win iTunes as to whether or not there is any kind of message indicating this? If it does say something in regards to the change, then there is nothing left to be said. However, if not, then it is shady of Apple to do so & they should notify users on the install.
I have no idea as to any of the wording on the Win iTunes install, but I know that I would like to be informed of that kind of change. Those of you who use Toast recall in OS 9 that when you install it, it tells you its going to disable the Apple CD Burner extensions before it actually installs it and tells you how to change it. Granted its a hell of a lot easier to make those changes on the mac vs. the 18 steps MM listed. I would just like to think that Apple would inform its potential user that the ipod synching was going to be changed over. Can anyone out there who has installed Win iTunes as to whether or not there is any kind of message indicating this? If it does say something in regards to the change, then there is nothing left to be said. However, if not, then it is shady of Apple to do so & they should notify users on the install.
You don't quite get it.
1) Something in one software product that worked a certain way before is now altered and taken over by a completely different product. This is breaking something.
2) The point is that people aren't necessarily using MusicMatch only as "upload crap to my iPod" software. It does other things. For some people, it is a nice complete solution, and the last thing they want is other software products taking over features.
There's no good reason for these software packages to interact with each other. One should quite frankly not affect the other, and some people may have reasons to want to use both, or at least have both installed.
Reminds me of early versions of Jaguar (i.e. 10.2.0, 10.2.1, ...) when Internet Explorer would override any attempt to set another app as your default browser.
It's no way to build trust or respect. Apple should have included some kind of notification window during the installation process.
On the other hand, MusicMatch knows full well that the iPod was designed to work hand in hand with iTunes. Porting iTunes to Windows naturally means no more MusicMatch support for iPods.
I'm sure MusicMatch saw the handwriting on the wall the moment iTunes for Windows was pre-announced back in the spring. This email is typical tongue-in-check deception targeting less savvy computer users who will likely panic and not really understand that iTunes is actually better.
It's no way to build trust or respect. Apple should have included some kind of notification window during the installation process.
On the other hand, MusicMatch knows full well that the iPod was designed to work hand in hand with iTunes. Porting iTunes to Windows naturally means no more MusicMatch support for iPods.
I'm sure MusicMatch saw the handwriting on the wall the moment iTunes for Windows was pre-announced back in the spring. This email is typical tongue-in-check deception targeting less savvy computer users who will likely panic and not really understand that iTunes is actually better.
I don't like it.
Your mother and your mother-in-law each bake pies. Both pies go beautifully with ice cream. Your mother makes an apple pie. It tastes good. Mmmm. Your mother-in-law makes a blueberry pie. It is also delicious. Mmmm. Your mother makes an apple-cinamon pie. Mmm. She uses the ice cream, and does not allow you to eat ice cream with your mother-in-laws blueberry pie. I guess it's ok, since your mother made the ice cream too.
Your mother and your mother-in-law each bake pies. Both pies go beautifully with ice cream. Your mother makes an apple pie. It tastes good. Mmmm. Your mother-in-law makes a blueberry pie. It is also delicious. Mmmm. Your mother makes an apple-cinamon pie. Mmm. She uses the ice cream, and does not allow you to eat ice cream with your mother-in-laws blueberry pie. I guess it's ok, since your mother made the ice cream too.
This would only turn maybe a new user that doesn't know anything about iTunes. But folks that bought iPod also probably know iTunes was part of iPod so I doubt many will change because of this email.
Whats crappy about this MM is trying to steal some it's customers back but they knew all along that iTunes would eventually come to the Win iPod because the only reason they got brought on board is so Apple could sell iPods to Win users.
Whats crappy about this MM is trying to steal some it's customers back but they knew all along that iTunes would eventually come to the Win iPod because the only reason they got brought on board is so Apple could sell iPods to Win users.
has anyone considered that iPod connectivity may be something that HAS to be taken over, i think there would be serious problems with letting both programs access the iPod at the same time... like, data not being written properly, the database corrupting, etc. and the preferred method for the iPod to interface with the computer is iTunes... so if you had iTunes, your iPod would *really* prefer you sync with it rather than MM.
i do agree there should have been a warning in the agreement. something that said "by installing, you will no longer be able to sync Music Match with your iPod"...
pnw
i do agree there should have been a warning in the agreement. something that said "by installing, you will no longer be able to sync Music Match with your iPod"...
pnw
Re: Re: I don't like it.
Just remember, you can't have ice cream with the blueberry pie.
Originally posted by legion
Now I'm hungry for apple pie, blueberry pie, apple-cinnamon pie and ice cream.
Arghhhh!!
Just remember, you can't have ice cream with the blueberry pie.
iTunes did not "Break MusicMatch" or anything even remotely similar. They just rewrote their own software (iPod Sync) such that it no longer interfaces with MusicMatch. BIG difference -- MusicMatch was using Apple's software for iPod connectivity. The fact that Apple is now a competitor of MM makes it perfectly acceptable for them to do this. No law, or even general code of conduct, requires Apple to make their software interface with their competitor's.
Fine, I'll agree that it's bad on Apple's part IF someone can provide a way of doing it differently. Can you imagine what would happen if you plugged in the iPod and both applications tried to sync to it? Assuming you didn't duplicate or wreck the file system, if there were fewer songs in one jukebox than the other, they could go into a recursive loop trying to write, erase, and overwrite each other's data. You'd lock up the system within minutes, and wear out the HD mechanism in the iPod.
No, far batter to just take over iPod syncing than leave to chance that Joe User will accidentally turn on syncing for iTunes without turning it off for MusicMatch. And it's not like iTunes can turn off syncing for MusicMatch from within it - protected memory and all that (you can mess with files, not programs, from within programs, unless they're specifically designed to be messed with a la Applescript).
No, far batter to just take over iPod syncing than leave to chance that Joe User will accidentally turn on syncing for iTunes without turning it off for MusicMatch. And it's not like iTunes can turn off syncing for MusicMatch from within it - protected memory and all that (you can mess with files, not programs, from within programs, unless they're specifically designed to be messed with a la Applescript).
Can someone please find just ONE person who installed iTunes but decided to use MusicMatch instead???
If not, then this whole discussion is over nothing!
If not, then this whole discussion is over nothing!
Um, there was. It said plain as day you would not be able to use MMJB for iPod syncing.
It's just some people are too stupid to read the messages they get when they install software. Like those jokers who said iTunes never said it was going to rearrange files when the installer did and moreover they had to give it permission to do so.