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Chrome is dropping support for MacOS 10.13 and 10.14 this summer, Version 116 is their last version, that is too soon! (Updated post)

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Version 116 will be the last version for 10.13 and 10.14! The current version of Chrome is already 113.
A lot of Macs were high end machines when they were released, so they are still capable today as mid-range machines.


Eventually people will have to switch to

Firefox: https://www.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/new/

OR

Chromium-Legacy: https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy#readme

in order to use a recent browser on MacOS.
 
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Pakaku said:
Might I suggest switching to a less privacy-invasive browser, Firefox perhaps
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Or Microsoft Edge if it's compatible, at least you'll get ChatGPT within (if you choose to use it, but you don't have to). Either of these suggestions can readily import your Bookmarks, passwords and site settings such as pop-up preferences.

I'd get started as soon as possible.

FYI never let 1 browser tie you down, you do not have to be married ONLY to one btw.
 
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rpmurray said:
OCLP FTW!
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Good idea, but it is still too complicated for the typical user to install an operating system, installing it with OCLP would be even harder.


DeepIn2U said:
Or Microsoft Edge if it's compatible, at least you'll get ChatGPT within (if you choose to use it, but you don't have to). Either of these suggestions can readily import your Bookmarks, passwords and site settings such as pop-up preferences.
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Edge is still Chromium based (which is what Chrome is based on), so I expect Edge to also drop support for 10.13 and 10.14 this summer too.


Vref said:
I’d run brave instead, way better
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Brave is still Chromium based (which is what Chrome is based on), so I expect Brave to also drop support for 10.13 and 10.14 this summer too.


Euroamerican said:
Can't I just go on Safari?
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Safari is not kept up to date by itself, people who cannot update to the latest MacOS also cannot get the latest version of Safari as well, it is a double penalty from Apple, very unfair. Using an outdated version of Safari is being in the same boat as using an outdated version of Chrome.


So that is why I suggested switching over to Firefox if you want a modern browser that will still work with older versions of MacOS, as Firefox (which is at version 112 at the time of writing) will work with MacOS 10.12 and later: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/112.0.1/system-requirements/

Or if you want a Chromium based browser, Chromium Legacy is an option: https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy
Chromium Legacy will work with:
  • Mac OS X 10.7 / Lion
  • OS X 10.8 / Mountain Lion
  • OS X 10.9 / Mavericks
  • OS X 10.10 / Yosemite
  • OS X 10.11 / El Capitan
  • macOS 10.12 / Sierra
 
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Catalina requires at least a MacBook Air (2012), MacBook Pro (2012), MacMini (2012), iMac (2012) or MacPro (2013). Those machines are over 11 years old! It looks like Mojave have the same requirements as Catalina.

For High Sierra, it requires an iMac (2009), MacBook (2009), MacBook Pro (2009), MacBook Air (2010), or Mac Pro (2010). It's 2023. If a person is still running one of these systems that can't be upgraded, then get a new machine.

(note: Requirements are from MacTracker).
 
JustAnExpat said:
Catalina requires at least a MacBook Air (2012), MacBook Pro (2012), MacMini (2012), iMac (2012) or MacPro (2013). Those machines are over 11 years old! It looks like Mojave have the same requirements as Catalina.

For High Sierra, it requires an iMac (2009), MacBook (2009), MacBook Pro (2009), MacBook Air (2010), or Mac Pro (2010). It's 2023. If a person is still running one of these systems that can't be upgraded, then get a new machine.

(note: Requirements are from MacTracker).
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Those "old" machines are more than capable of running Chrome at top speed, especially the macbook pro, why upgrade to get a new one for $3000 after tax just because apple says so. Wouldnt you want to keep 3k and have apple support their OS longer .
 
2aw said:
Those "old" machines are more than capable of running Chrome at top speed, especially the macbook pro, why upgrade to get a new one for $3000 after tax just because apple says so. Wouldnt you want to keep 3k and have apple support their OS longer .
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It's not about machine capability. It's about providing support in the codebase and doing testing and so forth. At some point, they have to just move on and put their resources on more productive things.

I don't think ending support for ten year old plus hardware is particularly unreasonable.
 
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DeepIn2U said:
Or Microsoft Edge if it's compatible, at least you'll get ChatGPT within (if you choose to use it, but you don't have to). Either of these suggestions can readily import your Bookmarks, passwords and site settings such as pop-up preferences.

I'd get started as soon as possible.

FYI never let 1 browser tie you down, you do not have to be married ONLY to one btw.
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Been a while since I saw someone recommended a MS browser. What’s attractive in Edge that one should take a good look at in your opinion?
 
ericwn said:
Been a while since I saw someone recommended a MS browser. What’s attractive in Edge that one should take a good look at in your opinion?
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Just shows how bad Chrome is these days - Google are monsters.

The good is that it is a less butchered version of Google's rather excellent Chromium; the unbelievable is that it is way-less invasive than Chrome (probably as MS steals everything via Windows) plus it is reasonably performant.

But yeah, its killer feature is it isn't IE.

I use Safari and Brave but I have to acknowledge that Edge is way better than any of us expected. Clearly in no way do I give any credit to any other MS application.

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ericwn said:
Been a while since I saw someone recommended a MS browser. What’s attractive in Edge that one should take a good look at in your opinion?
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Much cleaner UI (except in Settings) than Firefox,
Option to use ChatGPT Search - if you choose it its there and free no registrations etc, if you don't want to use it its out of site not pushed upon you.
There are 'points' you get for using, searching, etc that get added to your Microsoft account for things like product contest entries or for services or products - again your choice, many would not find this useful - but DuckDuckGo browser has bitcoin of their own as 'points' incentive.

Clean UI that works across macOS and Windows, sync of Bookmarks, Passwords, and site settings just like all the other browsers. Gotta try it for a bit to see if you'd like it or not.

Since I work in a Windows world Edge is now my goto over FireFox (but I keep an account active) since some employers restrict FireFox installations. At home and on mobile I use Safari.
 
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2aw said:
Those "old" machines are more than capable of running Chrome at top speed, especially the macbook pro, why upgrade to get a new one for $3000 after tax just because apple says so. Wouldnt you want to keep 3k and have apple support their OS longer .
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A new Mac starting cost isn't 3,000 USD. They start at 300 USD (for sale at Costco for an M1 Mini), or about 900 USD for an M1 MacBook Air.
 
monstermash said:
It's not about machine capability. It's about providing support in the codebase and doing testing and so forth. At some point, they have to just move on and put their resources on more productive things.

I don't think ending support for ten year old plus hardware is particularly unreasonable.
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I have a 2009 27" iMac that I 'rescued' from a friend that was about to send it to the recycler. With about $200 in parts, it's a completely capable computer for browsing, media consumption, and light productivity work. I updated it to Monterey via OCLP, but even Monterey will lose official support next year.

There is nothing wrong with this machine, especially for a kid or older user. I definitely understand that maintaining code for old machines is not free, or even cheap. But there is literally nothing wrong with the CPU, GPU or screen. It works just like a modern Mac and the speed is completely fine. Recycling it is actually wasteful.

ericwn said:
Been a while since I saw someone recommended a MS browser. What’s attractive in Edge that one should take a good look at in your opinion?
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Because Edge is Chromium-based, and has ChatGPT, it's actually a decent and modern browser.

JustAnExpat said:
A new Mac starting cost isn't 3,000 USD. They start at 300 USD (for sale at Costco for an M1 Mini), or about 900 USD for an M1 MacBook Air.
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No one is getting $300 M1 Mac minis at Costco anymore. Sure there were a few (hundred?) available weeks ago, but that's not a price that just anyone can get. Yes, $800 for a M1 MacBook Air is a great value, but it's not a 27" desktop. And why spend even $800 if your old iMac or Mac mini has hardware that is 100% fine? I love me some M1/M2 Macs... but if your kid is just browsing YouTube, using iMessage and watching Netflix, why should I have to spend even $800 when I already have something that works just fine?
 
JustAnExpat said:
A new Mac starting cost isn't 3,000 USD. They start at 300 USD (for sale at Costco for an M1 Mini), or about 900 USD for an M1 MacBook Air.
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I partly agree you, but due to my requirements that my computer be: mobile (I don't want to be tied down to my desk all day), and have a 15" (or bigger) screen (13" screen laptops are too small for most people), that only leaves the 16" MacBook Pro as the "entry" level Apple laptop nowadays (for me at least), which is where I got the $3,000 quote from, but I think that was a typo, the entry level 16" MBP is about $2,000, sorry about that.

But you do have some points, if you are willing to go with a desktop + monitor, or get a ultraportable laptop, the Mac Mini and the MacBook Air can be had for way less.

(I'd still rather keep the $300 in my pocket instead of getting a new Mac Mini if I truly didn't need it, especially if the only reason to buy it is because Apple purposely didn't update their software, I mean this is just unethical of them, and this is one of the reasons why they are a 2 trillion dollar company, this is bad side of capitalism, the excess unneeded consumption (and not to mention the resulting e-waste, which is poisoning the planet, and also causing global warming by wasting energy to product extra unneeded computers), it is such a waste of money to spend money needlessly).
 
BeatCrazy said:
I have a 2009 27" iMac that I 'rescued' from a friend that was about to send it to the recycler. With about $200 in parts, it's a completely capable computer for browsing, media consumption, and light productivity work. I updated it to Monterey via OCLP, but even Monterey will lose official support next year.

There is nothing wrong with this machine, especially for a kid or older user. I definitely understand that maintaining code for old machines is not free, or even cheap. But there is literally nothing wrong with the CPU, GPU or screen. It works just like a modern Mac and the speed is completely fine. Recycling it is actually wasteful.



Because Edge is Chromium-based, and has ChatGPT, it's actually a decent and modern browser.



No one is getting $300 M1 Mac minis at Costco anymore. Sure there were a few (hundred?) available weeks ago, but that's not a price that just anyone can get. Yes, $800 for a M1 MacBook Air is a great value, but it's not a 27" desktop. And why spend even $800 if your old iMac or Mac mini has hardware that is 100% fine? I love me some M1/M2 Macs... but if your kid is just browsing YouTube, using iMessage and watching Netflix, why should I have to spend even $800 when I already have something that works just fine?
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I didn't say there is anything wrong with an old machine. Hell, my laptop is mid 2012. My Mini is from 2014. My dive computer is from 2000 or so. My calculator is from roughly 1990.

What I said was that Apple makes determinations about what it is worth to Apple, to provide support for old machines. There is absolutely nothing wrong them deciding that after 10 years of support, they're not putting any more resources into it, regardless of how much "life" it may have left.
 
monstermash said:
Probably because, like me, they've never heard of it.

To that end, how many web based software applications advertise compatibility with "Orion" browser? My guess is approximately zero.
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Orion Browser has compatibility modes for websites designed for Chrome, and can run BOTH Firefox and Chrome plugins and extensions, while being Webkit so it can use the Apple features Safari has like iCloud Keychain, Touch ID, Apple's Privacy Features, and Apple Pay.

It's essentially Safari, but actually good.
 
There are really only two choices: WebKit, Blink, and Gecko. If Blink drops 10.13 and 10.14, every other browser based on it will drop it soon (so Edge/Brave/Whatever will require 10.15 soon too).

Orion is based on WebKit, and it ships its own WebKit, so I guess it could up to date at least. But it doesn't seem to support 10.13.

The better choice would be Firefox at the moment.
 
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10.14.6 is the last 32-bit supporting version of macOS. That's a shame. I've maintained it for backwards compatibility with high-end 32-bit apps like PhotoShop CS3, iZotope RX and others. I guess it's time to switch full time to Firefox on that Mac. Apple claims to be "Green" but forcing the retirement of older computers (via lack of security updates and eventual dropped software) is anything but. My 2012 Mac works perfectly fine with a 2TB SSD and 16GB of ram added. I've been waiting for an M3 to buy a new one, but still planned to use the old one for hosting the whole house movie server and older apps.
 
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