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What kind of hardware is in it? I don't see anything to justify the price tag. Also, how can the service plan not be bad either? Noone even knows what it is, or if it will be unique to the iphone?

For someone like me who has been wishing for a phone that will sync flawlessly with my Mac (full contact information, iCal appointments, Notes, and now email), I totally see a justification for the pricetag. No more third party software that offers no (good) tech support, no more uninstalling and reinstalling Missing Sync, PocketMac, etc...

Not to mention, why does everyone keep downplaying the iPod part of it. It's still a 4gb or 8gb iPod video with a huge display...

If you don't like it, quit bitching about it and don't buy it. For those of us who want something that will sync flawlessly with our Mac so that we don't have to worry about losing information all the time, it's a bargain.
 
When, before Rogers took over Fido, Fido had an unlimited plan for just $50....

A bargin... unfortunately, Rogers put a stop to that.
I remember some people talking about it, if people had the plan back when it was available, did it end up grandfathered so they could use unlimited today?

I know of quite a few Fido users with the oldschool sweet City/Country Fido voice plans, things really have changed in the last few years sadly.

I was paying $15 less with Rogers in 2003 for nearly what I have now than I am now
 
If you don't like it, quit bitching about it and don't buy it. For those of us who want something that will sync flawlessly with our Mac so that we don't have to worry about losing information all the time, it's a bargain.

You know, the rest of your post was very reasonable and I agree wholeheartedly. And not to say that this segment I'm quoting isn't reasonable, but really--this thread has been so amusing, does it really need to stop?
 
I remember some people talking about it, if people had the plan back when it was available, did it end up grandfathered so they could use unlimited today?

I know of quite a few Fido users with the oldschool sweet City/Country Fido voice plans, things really have changed in the last few years sadly.

I was paying $15 less with Rogers in 2003 for nearly what I have now than I am now

Well if you read the fine print on the "unlimited" wording, all you were getting was 1Gb of bandwidth per month. It was later revised to 500Mb and then again to 200Mb where is stands today. What is even worse is that this has over the past few years been an industry trend to pull away from giving away large data plans in place of smaller ones for more dollars a month.

On a sidenote: I really have to say I do not understand why the CRTC allowed Rogers to buyout Fido. If anything they may have done something useful by blocking such a move. The move has done little to better the position consumers are in, in the market. Data has gone through the roof and voice plans have not been much better. And if I hear one more blurt from these guys about infrastructure costs... Particularly when they are making record profits and charging me $6.95 a month in surcharges to look after it, I am just going to explode in rage.

The iPhone may have WiFi itself, however for the most part when I am on the go, I get the erry feeling that I would for the greater part be using the EDGE connectivity. Which is why I am so concerned about Rogers pulling something stupid with their pricing schemes again. I just do not believe that they get it, considering the absolute arrogance in pricing schemes on Rogers behalf in the past.

I really really do want an iPhone, but I do not want to be forking over boat loads of cash a month to simply use the basic web features. If that is the case I may as well just use my home internet connection which I am already paying $40 a month for.

Iggy :)
 
Am I understanding Apple correctly -

They want you to buy the iPhone at full price ( outright ) - but yet, the phone is still sim locked to that cellular network provider?

Which is totally different than if I where to:
Buy at full price ( outright ) Nokia N95, provide my own sim card and I'm free to use any GSM network I wish - the phone is unlocked.
( btw - which has more features than iPhone ( i.e., including GPS and 3G ) - at the moment - by thats beside the point )

If so... hmmm, what Apple are doing stinks - a bad deal for consumers.
 
For someone like me who has been wishing for a phone that will sync flawlessly with my Mac (full contact information, iCal appointments, Notes, and now email), I totally see a justification for the pricetag. No more third party software that offers no (good) tech support, no more uninstalling and reinstalling Missing Sync, PocketMac, etc...

Not to mention, why does everyone keep downplaying the iPod part of it. It's still a 4gb or 8gb iPod video with a huge display...

If you don't like it, quit bitching about it and don't buy it. For those of us who want something that will sync flawlessly with our Mac so that we don't have to worry about losing information all the time, it's a bargain.

But that was not the point of my reply to that message. He said "Alot of great hardware". I want to know what type, I am that kinda guy, I like to know those things.

As far as "Flawless" syncing being worth the price, perhaps it is, perhaps it is not, but really, apple could have built a "Flawless syncing" phone for alot less if thats your primary concern. Mine is having the ability to write / load 3rd party programs, which it appears to lack.
 
For someone like me who has been wishing for a phone that will sync flawlessly with my Mac (full contact information, iCal appointments, Notes, and now email), I totally see a justification for the pricetag. No more third party software that offers no (good) tech support, no more uninstalling and reinstalling Missing Sync, PocketMac, etc...

Not to mention, why does everyone keep downplaying the iPod part of it. It's still a 4gb or 8gb iPod video with a huge display...

If you don't like it, quit bitching about it and don't buy it. For those of us who want something that will sync flawlessly with our Mac so that we don't have to worry about losing information all the time, it's a bargain.

Yes by all means, please do buy the first version of the iPhone ... I'll sit tight and wait for the second or third generation version with the better data speed and enough flash memory to actually store videos and an interface that was been refined by customer feedback. Anyone still use a first generation iPod?
 
But that was not the point of my reply to that message. He said "Alot of great hardware". I want to know what type, I am that kinda guy, I like to know those things.
Well, I couldn't substantiate that claim. No on other than Apple, and maybe their suppliers, is totally sure what all is in the iPod. But think about what it does. This isn't vaporware, as some idiotic CEO has said. He pulled it out of his pocket and showed you what it could do--Cover flow is a memory hog on my computer, and it's a Core Duo laptop with 2 GB of RAM. Apparently the iPhone has an ARM processor, probably along with (probably several) DSPs for decoding h.264, mp3, etc.

Still, it seems like a strange thing to say--the hardware is hardly the pull. It's the interface. And this is what baffles me about the iPhone naysayers in threads like this--You all keep talking about Apple like they're Motorola or Dell or Toshiba or something. Who even cares what it's running? Mac Computers are on Intel now. That means that I can get the exact same laptop, hardware wise, as my MacBook from Dell, for $100+ dollars less. And it would be preloaded with Windows, that OS that every one uses. And if my computer were just a commodity, then I'd do that, because it's cheaper AND it's the path of least resistance.

But I am into Apple, and why? Not because it's "Alot of great hardware" (even though it is), but because the interface is intuitive and beautiful, from the hardware interface to the software interface. So we read all these completely stupid articles by people who complain, "Apple reinvents the phone? Ha! Ha! It doesn't even have any new features! Music Management? Google maps? Web Browsing? Photo Management? A Camera? Sounds like every other phone on the market to me, except it costs 2 times as much." But the hint is in the word, "reinvents." They didn't invent new features. They designed a phone that works so well that you will actually want to use those features. I have seen PDA phones before. Almost every one I'd seen looked like a big metallic turd. fugly. I realize, Stella, that Opera has a web Browser with the same feature list. Do you use Internet Explo[r/d]er? It has a pretty similar feature list to Safari. Really, most browsers do. But the test is in the use-case. It's the same with the iPod: the iPod sucks. It really, really, really sucks. Why would you want one? You could get a Zune for about the same price, and it's got WiFi. THAT'S some pretty sweet hardware. Or you could get some SanDisk or Creative thing or something, that has an FM receiver--you could be listening to the radio! so Why buy an iPod? Oh, right, that thing that people never account for in the commodity market--a good user interface. You can't underestimate the power of a good design: It's the kind of thing that makes people want to buy something they wouldn't otherwise give a crap about. Like me. I have a motorola razr, and it's a pretty phone with a terrible interface. And I knew it when I got it, because all I ever wanted to do was talk on the phone and text now and then. But looking at the iPhone demos, I feel like I might actually be interested in browsing photos on my phone, watching a video, browsing the web. Especially browsing the web, for me. That kinda thing never had a pull on me.

And it's not to say I don't have my qualms about the iPhone, but I'm an optimist--I know that prices will always come down, and that Apple always improves their products. Even though I am not waiting for a contract to end, I will certainly be waiting for revision B.
 
I realize that just because the iPhone doesn't fit into MY life, doesn't mean it won't fit into 10,000,000 others.

I would tip my hat to you if I had one. :cool: A much more mature opinion than the "I don't need that, so no one else does either!" whining going on in almost every iPhone-related thread on MR.

So although you don't need an iPhone, you certainly deserve one. :)
 
This is so amusing, hearing someone who'd spend $500 on a chemical to burn in a boat engine over the period of 2-4 days whine about a $500 phone. SO amusing, especially the whole "When I was your age, I had to walk to school through 40 miles of snow, uphill both ways, to get to school! Sheee....ut." A computer is just a commodity for most people, and and Mac's have not always been as price-competitive as they are now. And the people on this forum buy them. my old GHz Tibook was $3200 with the 1GB of RAM in 2002. It's still plugging strong, and I have no regrets. EVERYTHING you can buy is just a commodity to most people, whether it's your car, your house, your clothes, your phone, your shoes, your pen, your sunglasses. Yet, some people buy Porsches. Some people buy Gucci. Some people buy Allen-Edmonds. Some People Buy Pelikan Pens. Some people buy Oakleys... Friggin' materialist idiots, all of them! gosh!

I use the term "commodity" as most economists and business people do. You, on the other hand, seem to use the marxist definition. I suppose I should have been more explicit with my definition, but I didn't think that after the experience of the last decade or so, that anyone found marxist theory to hold water. Oh well.

Someone else posted that a cell phone is a status symbol for some. I had not considered that. I remember that it was somewhat of a status symbol to have a cell phone back in the 1970s to mid 1980s. I still have my dad's first generation AMPS cell phone from... 1978ish? The trunk mounted electronics were in pizza box sized unit! I wouldn't have thought that some still consider it to be so. On the other hand, $600 is pretty cheap for a status symbol, so if that's you thing, go for it. It's a heck of a lot less money than a a new 911 or XK-R.

Cell phone manufacturers may want to change the sales model for telephones; however, most of the public will resist said changes unless accompanied by substantial cost reductions in cellular service. I don't see that happening anytime soon, and therefore don't think most people are going to find much compelling about an expensive portable communication appliance.

Game theory has the concept of the "zero sum game". Economics has borrowed the term. Some purchases are zero sum as the buyer has limited resources and must weigh one purchase against others. In a zero sum situation, the iPhone without subsidy loses, in my opinion, because it is a bad deal for most consumers.

Regards,
Frank
 
I cannot wait.....I live in Canada, and when first announced I was doubtful as to the availability of the iPhone in Canada. Rogers is a very good network, I cannot wait to get one for myself!
 
Do you suppose that, in the not-so-distant future, Apple will simply release a few versions of the iPhone with varying levels of goodies?

They've done that with the iPod line, and I would certainly say that it's been a success. I have a 1st generation Mini that I have no intentions of replacing until it dies. For somebody who really enjoys Apple's hardware but doesn't always want or need every feature on the top of the line stuff, an iPhone Lite or something might do the trick.
 
Do you suppose that, in the not-so-distant future, Apple will simply release a few versions of the iPhone with varying levels of goodies?

They've done that with the iPod line, and I would certainly say that it's been a success. I have a 1st generation Mini that I have no intentions of replacing until it dies. For somebody who really enjoys Apple's hardware but doesn't always want or need every feature on the top of the line stuff, an iPhone Lite or something might do the trick.
I think it will be like the iPod, if it is successful. You release one to get your feet wet, and THEN start expanding the product line to sute a wider array of customers--if the first one is a smash hit, that is...
 
I'd love to get an iPhone but I hate all the locking contracts crap, and it's fairly hard to justify the price for myself at the moment. However, maybe one day I'll get one of the cheaper ones. :)
 
I think it will be like the iPod, if it is successful. You release one to get your feet wet, and THEN start expanding the product line to sute a wider array of customers--if the first one is a smash hit, that is...

That's what I was wondering.

All the more reason to sit on my hands (and checkbook) and give this thing some time.

There's certainly nothing wrong with that sort of product evolution. I'm not going to stamp my feet and demand a lower price or anything; it's a new product and that just means some realities: it'll be expensive, it'll have some bugs, and (since it's from Apple) it'll probably sell like crazy. Nobody is putting a gun to your head. Delayed gratification, man. Hard as it is, especially with a product like that... :(

When I'm out of my Ntelos contract in a year and a half there may be something more appealing in terms of price.
 
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