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Cmon apple wheres a mini mac pro lol

chrismacguy said:
(3) If Apple creates an xMac, they will not only lose Pro sales, but all the people who bought iMacs over a theoretical xMac would switch, probably losing Apple Money, as they couldnt sell it at the same price as the iMac, because people like YOU would complain that its too expensive, and not buy one anyway if they did, defeating the proposed point of the machine.
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Give me the guts of the iMac in a case that holds two hard drives and an optical drive and one PCI slot. Make it easy to get into. Do you think Apple could make it where the price would be $1500? I'd pay $1500 for a Mac that was positioned between the mini and the Pro without a screen. I'm not asking for it to come with two hard drives for that price. Just in a case that can hold two hard drives.
iMacs start at $1200 with the 21.5 inch screen. Apple would be saving the cost of the screen plus charging me $300 extra for a bigger case and one PCI slot.

$1500 for a headless iMac. Could it be done?
 
the cannibalization argument doesn't hold. Dell and HP have workstations as well as consumer desktops, why aren't they concerned? Apple would also have additional revenue from potential customers who decided to build a hackintosh instead or buy used...and those who simply dismissed Apple because there is no midrange tower.

Apple could be differentiating their workstations based on customer service, not simply hardware. this is what separates "professional" products from consumer ones, at least for everyone besides Apple. making a business customer bring or ship a problematic computer to Apple is not a way to make their products attractive.

Apple won't make a consumer tower because Jobs doesn't want to.
 
toxic said:
the cannibalization argument doesn't hold. Dell and HP have workstations as well as consumer desktops, why aren't they concerned? Apple would also have additional revenue from potential customers who decided to build a hackintosh instead or buy used...and those who simply dismissed Apple because there is no midrange tower.

Apple could be differentiating their workstations based on customer service, not simply hardware. this is what separates "professional" products from consumer ones, at least for everyone besides Apple. making a business customer bring or ship a problematic computer to Apple is not a way to make their products attractive.

Apple won't make a consumer tower because Jobs doesn't want to.
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Just because DELL does something doesnt mean that their consumer/business desktops arent taking away from their Precision line, it just means that because they sell so many of them they dont care. As an example, a college I did IT for, switched from the Precisions down to Mid-range OptiPlexs purely because they were cheaper, if the OptiPlexs didnt exist, they wouldve bought 40 Precisions instead - Its this kind of education purchase that is where the cannibalisation would happen. Currently most film schools buy Mac Pros for labs, but if they could get away with it (and some do with iMacs) they would go to the xMac because it saves them money. Boom. Theres cannibalisation for you.
 
linuxcooldude said:
I'm doubtful, Both target different users. The professional would most likely stick with Mac Pro & consumers with a xMac for a lower price with a little more expansion.
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I'd have bought a 'xMac' if one was about, but instead I spent £2k on a Mac Pro.

And if that happened to me then probability suggests others have done the same as me.

There will never be an xMac!
 
chrismacguy said:
Just because DELL does something doesnt mean that their consumer/business desktops arent taking away from their Precision line, it just means that because they sell so many of them they dont care. As an example, a college I did IT for, switched from the Precisions down to Mid-range OptiPlexs purely because they were cheaper, if the OptiPlexs didnt exist, they wouldve bought 40 Precisions instead - Its this kind of education purchase that is where the cannibalisation would happen. Currently most film schools buy Mac Pros for labs, but if they could get away with it (and some do with iMacs) they would go to the xMac because it saves them money. Boom. Theres cannibalisation for you.
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So by this argument Apple should get rid of the iMac and even the mini. They are taking away sales from the Mac Pro. Consumers don't need to put 4 hard drives in the Pro case like the Pros do but might as well sell them the big case. Consumers won't use the PCI slots but so what? Got to keep up those sales of the Pro.

Now that sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But by not having a mid range computer Apple is doing just that. Propping up sales of the Pro by forcing some people to buy more than they want or need. Apple is creating an artificial market for the Pro instead of offering what customers really want.
 
G4er? said:
So by this argument Apple should get rid of the iMac and even the mini. They are taking away sales from the Mac Pro. Consumers don't need to put 4 hard drives in the Pro case like the Pros do but might as well sell them the big case. Consumers won't use the PCI slots but so what? Got to keep up those sales of the Pro.

Now that sounds ridiculous doesn't it? But by not having a mid range computer Apple is doing just that. Propping up sales of the Pro by forcing some people to buy more than they want or need. Apple is creating an artificial market for the Pro instead of offering what customers really want.
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No. It only applies to midrange towers. If youd read it, and not just skimmed it to fire back pointless nonsense, you would see I said SPECIFICALLY only a Mid-Range Tower would be a bad descision. Im not suggesting binning the all-in-ones or the mini, just never producing a xMac. Most Pro customers grow into the Pro, despite not needing it to start with, they grow into it, and then buy more Pros as they wouldnt want to go down to a all-in-one/they have 4 HDs etc.
 
G4er? said:
Apple is creating an artificial market for the Pro instead of offering what customers really want.
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Apple has never given consumers what they want! We get what they decide is best for us! Pointless argument, really. :D
 
chrismacguy said:
No. It only applies to midrange towers. If youd read it, and not just skimmed it to fire back pointless nonsense, you would see I said SPECIFICALLY only a Mid-Range Tower would be a bad descision.
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Your first sentence:

Just because DELL does something doesnt mean that their consumer/business desktops arent taking away from their Precision line, it just means that because they sell so many of them they dont care.
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So perhaps Apple sells so many iMacs that they just don't care. And I never said that you suggested to get rid of any of the Apple's products. That was my pointing out how ridiculous it would be for Apple to think a midrange tower would somehow mean they would need to get rid of the iMac or Pro.

Most Pro customers grow into the Pro, despite not needing it to start with, they grow into it, and then buy more Pros as they wouldnt want to go down to a all-in-one/they have 4 HDs etc.
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And I bet a lot of iMac buyers would grow into a midrange tower too. I know the iMac isn't the type of computer that suits my needs. But $2499 is kind of steep as a starting point to get a computer with any easy type of expandability. Why not have the iMac guts in a tall version of the mini case? Something for those of us that can't quite go to $2499 just to be able to easily replace hard drives and RAM, want two hard drives and an optical drive and want to choose our monitor? We aren't asking for anything radical.
 
G4er? said:
Your first sentence:



So perhaps Apple sells so many iMacs that they just don't care. And I never said that you suggested to get rid of any of the Apple's products. That was my pointing out how ridiculous it would be for Apple to think a midrange tower would somehow mean they would need to get rid of the iMac or Pro.



And I bet a lot of iMac buyers would grow into a midrange tower too. I know the iMac isn't the type of computer that suits my needs. But $2499 is kind of steep as a starting point to get a computer with any easy type of expandability. Why not have the iMac guts in a tall version of the mini case? Something for those of us that can't quite go to $2499 just to be able to easily replace hard drives and RAM, want two hard drives and an optical drive and want to choose our monitor? We aren't asking for anything radical.
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You are however asking for Steve Jobs to give up his idea that Consumer Machines should be all-in-one, and Pro machines shouldnt. And since his idealogy has the same chances of leaving as the height of ankle socks on a very small beetle, standing in a ditch. If you want expandability either Hackintosh, or do what everyone else has done and save for the Pro (Myself included, took 5 years to save for it - worth it? totally.)
 
chrismacguy said:
You are however asking for Steve Jobs to give up his idea that Consumer Machines should be all-in-one, and Pro machines shouldnt.
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Mac mini. It sure isn't an all in one and it sure isn't a professional machine. So it has to be something other than "consumer machines should be all in ones" that is keeping Apple from building a mid range Mac. Otherwise the mini would have disappeared instead of being redesigned.
 
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