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adamlbiscuit

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I've seen a lot of people on these boards who have an iPad mini 6, and are wondering whether the A17 Pro iPad mini is worth it.

I've just upgraded from an iPad mini 6 to an A17 Pro (7th gen), and wanted to share my thoughts in case it helps anyone in such a quandary.

Firstly getting the obvious out of the way, design-wise there's nothing here in terms of upgrades. It's still the same iPad mini you love from before, and I'm sure many iPad mini users will be happy with that on the whole. Sure, bezels could be reduced, but otherwise I still think it's the iPad mini in its perfect form for now.

The main upgrade here is the chip. I'm not going to talk much about Apple Intelligence, because where I am in the UK, it isn't out yet. However, if Apple Intelligence is a must-have for you then of course the upgrade is a no-brainer.

With a new chip comes performance upgrades. I was excited about the 8 GB RAM in the new iPad mini, and I was right to be.

Right off the bat, the iPad mini 7 feels so much more responsive. My iPad mini 6 would often hesitate when bringing up control centre, swiping to the Home Screen, and generally felt 'laggy'. That feeling was exacerbated by the 'jelly scrolling', which further bogged down the smoothness of the system animations.

Still, if I was just using the 6 as a basic web browsing / YouTube machine, it was and still is a perfectly capable and fantastic device for this purpose.

However, for me, I had a different idea for my mini 6 and while on the face of it, it worked really well, some limitations came in which the 7th gen addressed and then some.

For context, I use Procreate a lot, and the iPad mini is my secondary iPad - my main iPad being an M1 iPad Pro (until today, iPad Pro M4 is due to be delivered!!).

My initial idea was to transfer drawings in-progress from my big iPad Pro to the iPad mini, so I could continue them when on the go.

This did work really well for sketches, but that pesky 4 GB RAM on the mini raised it's ugly head within a few weeks...

For those who don't know, Procreate operates a layer limit. The layer limit dictates how many layers you can have on a project. Higher resolution projects permit less layers than lower resolution ones, and less-capable devices can't take advantage of as many layers either.

The main issue here turns out to be the RAM. The more RAM, the more layers.

With the iPad Pro having 8 GB RAM and the mini having just 4 GB, it meant that the drawings I was trying to transfer to the mini often exceeded its capabilities (i.e. layer limits).

With the iPad mini 7th Gen having 8 GB RAM, that is no longer an issue at all for me. Both devices are capable of opening the same files and the same amount of layers. Now there's no compromise, I can just choose the best device for the situation. This, for me, was worth the upgrade alone.

I didn't enjoy purchasing a new Apple Pencil for the iPad mini, and that's one major consideration I'd advise for anyone looking to upgrade. I went into it knowing I'd need a new Pencil, but if it had caught me unawares, I'd have been really miffed.

That being said, the Apple Pencil Pro brings some really nice features, my favourite being the haptics. It adds a new level of physicality to the experience, and Procreate uses it well. Other highlights are Apple Pencil hover, which I know is supported on the 2nd Gen Apple Pencil, but wouldn't work on the iPad mini 6 regardless.

Now onto the aforementioned Jelly Scroll. It's still there, but in a much more subtle form than before. You have to go out of your way to see it.

Of course, because I had an iPad mini 6, my brain is tuned to looking for it subconsciously so I saw it. I think that's important to mention, because if you've owned an iPad mini 6 you're somewhat likely to have seen jelly scroll, meaning it's something you know to look for even if you don't necessarily want to. Therefore if you've had a 6 you're more likely to notice it for that reason alone. But if I hadn't had the iPad mini 6 and experienced the true jelly scroll, I wouldn't have seen it at all.

The iPad mini 6, while operating the same 60 Hz. refresh rate as the 7th gen and other non-pro devices, often felt sub-60 HZ because of the jelly scroll. The mini 7 actually feels like 60 Hz. Promotion would be great here, but I accept that it's not in Apple's pipeline for now (not unless they finally give us an iPad Pro in the same form factor as a mini).

In summary:

If I were using the iPad mini as a web surfing / social media / YouTube device only, I would not consider upgrading. It's only because I also use my iPads for illustration that I noticed the shortcomings of the A15 chip's 4 GB RAM, and so the A17 Pro's 8 GB RAM upgrade was an absolute no-brainer.

For me, I'm really happy and glad I went for the upgrade. Aside from pro-motion, there's far less compromise and a much smoother experience overall.
 

chrono1081

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I had the mini 6 and now the mini 7. Realistically the mini isn't the iPad for me, I do a lot of work on my iPads that just require a bigger screen BUT it compliments my other iPad (and my laptop) beautifully so I have no regrets. It's the PERFECT travel iPad (the 11 is great too for travel, 13 is too big IMO) as well as the perfect iPad to have when you just want to watch something on Youtube on the couch, or read, or play a game or something on the go. I see it more of a complimentary device and it's great at that.
 
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FreakinEurekan

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I also upgraded from mini 6 to mini 7.

Generally speaking, I'd not recommend doing a single-version upgrade like this. And the mini 6 to mini 7 is no exception - the 8GB RAM, marginally faster SoC, and Apple Intelligence aren't enough reason to make that step unless you just have money to burn (which most of us don't) - even if you don't use pencil. If you do, it's even worse (having to buy the new Pencil Pro in addition).

The exception of no-single-version-upgrades is if you need the upgrade for OTHER reasons. In my case, it was a 64GB Wi-Fi only mini 6, to a 512GB Cellular mini 7. My mini 6 was offloading apps to save storage and practically EVERY time I needed an app I hadn't run in a few days, it had to be reinstalled. Plus now that I'm flying again (single-engine piston) not having GPS prevented ForeFlight from knowing my position. If the mini 7 hadn't been introduced I'd have had to get a mini 6 256/Cellular anyway, so putting off the upgrade for a couple of months let me get the 7.

For me, if I'd had the mini 6 256/Cellular already - the mini 7 would not have been worth the cost. I have not noticed the "lag" the OP mentioned in basic use. I don't use heavy-graphic apps like ProCreate so it's possible SOME users will see a benefit from 8GB RAM but most of us - nah. I wasn't thrilled to have to also buy a new pencil but.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that was really the worst of it, since I was needing an update anyway. At least I got 512 instead of 256, so now I can sync my full Photos library. Intelligence is "on" but at this point it's still not doing NEARLY enough to justify the cost difference; maybe down the road it will.
 

Greenmeenie

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I am upgrading from the ipad mini 5, so it is still a HUGE upgrade for me. As an artist, my iPad Pro is my main content creation device, but I always grab my iPad mini when I really wanna travel light. It is the perfect size digital sketchbook when on the go. Even if I had the mini 6 I’d still upgrade for the faster chip, double the ram… but mostly as an artist, for the Apple Pencil Pro support. Now I can share the same Apple Pencil btwn my iPad Pro & iPad mini. 👍🏼

I’ll probably upgrade to the ipad mini 8 in 2027 if it gets the OLED screen with 1,000 nits of brightness, thinner bezels & face ID. But the iPad mini 7 will be more than enough for the next 3 years to create on. ✍🏼
 
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muzzy996

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Appreciate the thoughts posted in this thread, they are very helpful for those with a Mini 6 considering the switch. Since I never really push my Mini 6 I'll stick with it. I can see the jelly scroll on the 6, and I can tolerate it since I primarily use the device in landscape. Ultimately for me the CPU/GPU and RAM upgrades were what I was wondering would be beneficial for me but really the main things that I do with the device are browsing and video streaming so while I'm sure I'd notice the snappiness I'll otherwise not really benefit from the switch.
 

subjonas

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I also upgraded from mini 6 to mini 7.

Generally speaking, I'd not recommend doing a single-version upgrade like this. And the mini 6 to mini 7 is no exception - the 8GB RAM, marginally faster SoC, and Apple Intelligence aren't enough reason to make that step unless you just have money to burn (which most of us don't) - even if you don't use pencil. If you do, it's even worse (having to buy the new Pencil Pro in addition).

The exception of no-single-version-upgrades is if you need the upgrade for OTHER reasons. In my case, it was a 64GB Wi-Fi only mini 6, to a 512GB Cellular mini 7. My mini 6 was offloading apps to save storage and practically EVERY time I needed an app I hadn't run in a few days, it had to be reinstalled. Plus now that I'm flying again (single-engine piston) not having GPS prevented ForeFlight from knowing my position. If the mini 7 hadn't been introduced I'd have had to get a mini 6 256/Cellular anyway, so putting off the upgrade for a couple of months let me get the 7.

For me, if I'd had the mini 6 256/Cellular already - the mini 7 would not have been worth the cost. I have not noticed the "lag" the OP mentioned in basic use. I don't use heavy-graphic apps like ProCreate so it's possible SOME users will see a benefit from 8GB RAM but most of us - nah. I wasn't thrilled to have to also buy a new pencil but.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that was really the worst of it, since I was needing an update anyway. At least I got 512 instead of 256, so now I can sync my full Photos library. Intelligence is "on" but at this point it's still not doing NEARLY enough to justify the cost difference; maybe down the road it will.
Does the 8GB vs 4GB RAM not make a difference in app/tab reloads?

Also note- although the Mini 6 to 7 is a single-version update, due to the relatively long time between updates, the SoC is actually a two-version update (skipped A16)—if that matters to anyone.
 
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StaceyMJ86

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I took advantage of Best Buy’s $350 trade in credit of my mini 6 for the mini 7. I did it for the extra ram and for future proofing for the next couple years. I am a little irritated that I have to buy a new Apple Pencil, as I’ll have 2 pencils for 2 different iPads now, but that’s something I knew when I upgraded. Overall, I like the upgrade.
 
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adamlbiscuit

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Does the 8GB vs 4GB RAM not make a difference in app/tab reloads?

Also note- although the Mini 6 to 7 is a single-version update, due to the relatively long time between updates, the SoC is actually a two-version update (skipped A16)—if that matters to anyone.
It certainly makes a difference for me. Tabs I had open hours ago remain loaded even if I’ve been messing around in other apps the whole time.
 
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FreakinEurekan

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Does the 8GB vs 4GB RAM not make a difference in app/tab reloads?

Also note- although the Mini 6 to 7 is a single-version update, due to the relatively long time between updates, the SoC is actually a two-version update (skipped A16)—if that matters to anyone.
Maybe? Not enough of a difference for me to have noticed it though.
 

ThailandToo

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Good writeup. I don't push my Mini 6 to any degree so the performance upgrade isn't an attraction. And as for jelly scrolling, I'm one of those who never notices it so that's a wash, too. So, sticking with the Mini 6.
Just wondering as someone who notices everything visually, do you see motion smoothing on newer TVs? I see it instantly and hate it. However, with my family it bothered nobody else. I think some of see motion and visuals far faster than others. I was shocked that nobody in my family noticed the difference when I turned motion smoothing off. To me it was like the movie we were watching was soap-opera quality. And if you know, you know.

Wish they made an iPad Pro mini - would be a cool thing!
 

sparksd

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Just wondering as someone who notices everything visually, do you see motion smoothing on newer TVs? I see it instantly and hate it. However, with my family it bothered nobody else. I think some of see motion and visuals far faster than others. I was shocked that nobody in my family noticed the difference when I turned motion smoothing off. To me it was like the movie we were watching was soap-opera quality. And if you know, you know.

Wish they made an iPad Pro mini - would be a cool thing!

Definitely see the soap opera effect on display TVs. I remember seeing it once with Doctor Zhivago - appalling!
 
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Allen_Wentz

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I tested an iPad mini 6 for a couple of months under Costco's 90-day return policy and decided the performance was not quite enough for me . I have since extensively tested the iPad mini 7 at the Apple Store and consider it a substantially better tablet. It just feels better in use. I have no way of knowing whether that is due to newer chip, more RAM, improved display or what; but the iPad mini 7 clearly feels better by a lot.

Note to the OP: The new tablet is an iPad mini 7, not a Pro iPad mini, regardless of what the chip nomenclature may be. Many of us very much do wish for an iPad Pro mini.
 
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mpetrides

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Wish they made an iPad Pro mini - would be a cool thing!
They do (sort of). It's called the 11 inch M4 iPad Pro. 😉

Seriously, although I did trade in my old iPad mini 5 on a mini 7 (retaining my mini 6 for home control center use), I had earlier purchased an 11” M4 iPad Pro. I find myself preferring the IPP for reading ebooks and for some situations of handwritten note taking—two functions I had heretofore considered the exclusive province of my iPad minis. In particular, I prefer being able to get more text on each page when reading a novel.

Do I regret getting the mini 7? Not at all. I still love the form factor—which remains excellent for ebook reading and note-taking on the go—and especially the fact that the mini easily fits in my hip pack or even in a pocket in my ski parka. I'm just saying that folks who continue to lust after an iPad Mini Pro might want to consider its not-that-much-larger 11” IPP cousin as a viable alternative.
 
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psac

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I upgraded from a Mini 5, so the difference was extremely noticeable. The only thing that bothers me in the Touch ID. One cold weather hits and my fingers start cracking, the touch ID becomes useless. I was hoping the new model would be better than the old 5, but I actually think it's worse. Maybe it's just me, or the case that I'm using that's preventing a good read?
 
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dmr727

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The Best Buy trade-in was the only reason I upgraded from a 6 to a 7 - it was a way to reboot the battery and maybe get a couple extra years of security updates for $85 (full disclosure, I went from 256GB to 128GB).

Other than *maybe* slightly less jelly, I don't notice any change at all. But I didn't expect to, as I don't really push the tablet. Reading, movie watching, and light web browsing is all I do.
 

Allen_Wentz

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This is the main reason I'm considering upgrading to the Mini 7,as well as doubling the storage capacity (64GB>128GB), and having a cellular version this time around.
Think carefully about paying the extra for cellular. The cell radio failed on my iPad, and I learned I really did not need cellular. Today WiFi is available at many locations, and when it is not an iPhone works well as a hotspot.
 

mpetrides

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The 11” Pro measures
9.83 x 6.99 in
.98 lbs
The Mini measures
7.69 x 5.3 in
.65 lbs

So the 11 is 69% bigger in device surface area and weighs 51% more. You don’t think that’s a significant difference?
Look, I'm pretty tiny (5'1") with commensurately tiny hands and I nonetheless enjoy reading using the 11"Pro. So, obviously the weight doesn't bother little ole me--at least when used for that purpose.

The weight difference, IMHO, may be *statistically* significant but I don't find it *CLINICALLY* significant in real world use.

Yes, the size IS noticeably larger, which is a detriment to me when trying to handwrite notes holding the iPad with my non-dominant hand, but it's still doable, if suboptimal. However, when it comes to reading eBooks, the size is a plus for me because I can fit more text on one page without decreasing either the font size or the line spacing. It's a matter of personal preference.

My point was that people who NEED the Pro features can either

1. sit around with their thumbs up their proverbial butts waiting for AAPL to come out with an iPad mini Pro (which at this point seems akin to waiting for Godot)
2. buy a mini 7 now and eschew the Pro features they feel they need or
3. put up with the weight and size of an 11" Pro and treat it like a mini 7 on steroids

I was just saying that despite the statistical difference in size and weight, *some* people might actually find the 11" Pro a viable alternative--not that everyone would or should.

ADDENDUM: Would I consider the 11" Pro for carrying with me on ward rounds? No, of course not. For one thing it wouldn't fit into a lab coat pocket. And it would be unwieldy to use in that setting. But for someone who reads and takes notes sitting on the couch, it works just fine and provides access to the Pro features some people lust after.
 
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mpetrides

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Same here, although I don't even need to wait for the bad weather - I've always had terrible fingerprints and touch ID doesn't work for me on any device.

I really should quit my job and pivot to a life of crime! ;)
Same here. I have never been able to get Touch ID to work for more than a day or two before I would have to redo my fingerprints. I've always attributed that to bathing my ungloved hands in formalin every day for a year in Gross Anatomy class 50+ years ago--before we had the common sense to realize that is a very stupid thing to do.
 
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