Coming mac line up may cost a fortune.

[Amethyst]

I've got some interest info about mac line up.

14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro and M2 Max. (include very high-bandwidth, high-speed RAM)
and Next Mac mini with simple M2 drop-in.

these 2 product has been perfectly pass SIT process.
iMac 24 with m2 is spot but need a time to polish. (early prototype)

But as i known the price of these machine will be 10-30% hike is many country (outside the US)

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[maflynn]

14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro and M2 Max.

That's kind of a foregone conclusion. We all are expecting the various M2 flavors to end up in the MBP line. Its purely a spec update at this point

 

[Amethyst]

My heart tell me that to give more interesting info.

but the reality tell me just these boring info T-T.

the ugly is the price will be hike, so if you sastified with current line-up, just buy it.

for me, now i try to dig some great deals on M1 Pro 16 inch MacBook Pro.

 

[sam_dean]

When has any Apple product not cost a fortune?

 

[MobiusTech]

In other news, water is wet.

 

[EugW]

I've got some interest info about mac line up.

14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro and M2 Max. (include very high-bandwidth, high-speed RAM)
and Next Mac mini with simple M2 drop-in.

these 2 product has been perfectly pass SIT process.
iMac 24 with m2 is spot but need a time to polish. (early prototype)

What is the SIT process? Is it System Integration Testing, and if so, what does that mean in the context of Mac hardware? On Google it seems to refer mainly to software testing.

And any idea of when? How long from passed SIT process to retail availability?

I guess no M2 Pro Mac mini.

But as i known the price of these machine will be 10-30% hike is many country (outside the US)

Hopefully no price hike or no more than 5% price hike for Canada. (The CA$ hasn't fallen much against the US$.)

However, aside from the currency related price hikes, would they have the same pricing tiers of M2 Mac mini vs. M1 Mac mini? That's what I was guessing, not a true price hike in the US, like with the M2 MacBook Air vs. the M1 MacBook Air (which made sense since it was a big design overhaul.)

 

[pshufd]

I've got some interest info about mac line up.

14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro and M2 Max. (include very high-bandwidth, high-speed RAM)
and Next Mac mini with simple M2 drop-in.

these 2 product has been perfectly pass SIT process.
iMac 24 with m2 is spot but need a time to polish. (early prototype)

But as i known the price of these machine will be 10-30% hike is many country (outside the US)

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Any info on when?

 

[theorist9]

14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro with M2 Pro and M2 Max. (include very high-bandwidth, high-speed RAM)

But as i known the price of these machine will be 10-30% hike is many country (outside the US)

As @quarkysg mentioned, the M1 Pro/Max currently use LPDDR5. So is this meant to imply the M2 Pro/Max will be getting LPDDR5x?

Typically, at least in the US, they don't hike the price when doing a spec bump. Not sure how things work in other places, but 10%-30% just to go to the M2 seems like a lot.

 

[pshufd]

The high-bandwidth RAM may simply be referring to an upgrade from the LPDDR4x in the M1 Pro/Max to the LPDDR5 already featured in the M2. The RAM change will only be interesting if the M2 Pro/Max features LPDDR5x.

Typically, at least in the US, they don't hike the price when doing a spec bump. Not sure how things work in other places, but 10%-30% just to go to the M2 seems like a lot.

The US dollar index is up 21% over the past year so a 21% price hike, on average, would be reasonable.

 

[EugW]

Not sure how things work in other places, but 10%-30% just to go to the M2 seems like a lot.

People in other countries are getting gigantic price increases due their devalued currencies against the US dollar.

For example, take a look at the Euro, Pound, and Yen. And this graph is just a limited period too.

 

[theorist9]

People in other countries are getting gigantic price increases due their devalued currencies against the US dollar.

For example, take a look at the Euro, Pound, and Yen. And this graph is just a limited period too.

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Doesn't the ~10% devaluation of the Chinese yuan and Taiwanese dollar against the USD mean Apple's manufacturing costs are down by ~10%?* And couldn't they use that to hold the line against really egregious price increases (say, keep them to <=10%, rather than the 30% at the top of the range the OP claimed)? That might indeed be in Apple's interest, since they don't want to price themselves out of those markets.

[*This wouldn't affect a lot of their R&D costs, though, since much of that is done by US-based engineers.]

 

[quarkysg]

The high-bandwidth RAM may simply be referring to an upgrade from the LPDDR4x in the M1 Pro/Max to the LPDDR5 already featured in the M2. The RAM change will only be interesting if the M2 Pro/Max features LPDDR5x.

The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra is using LPDDR5 RAM and not LPDDR4X tho., with the M1 Pro sporting 200GB/s (256-bits data bus), M1 Max 400GB/s (512-bits data bus) and M1 Ultra 800GB/s (1024-bits data bus) bandwidth, using 6400 MT/s modules.

Samsung announced LPDDR5X sporting 8500 MT/s, so likely it will appear in the next Studio and Mac Pro? while the rest will continue with existing LPDDR5 modules.

 

[EugW]

Doesn't the ~10% devaluation of the Chinese yuan and Taiwanese dollar against the USD mean Apple's manufacturing costs are down by ~10%? [This wouldn't affect a lot of their R&D, though, since much of that is done by US-based engineers.]

Obviously I am not privy to the contract details Apple has with its manufacturing partners, but I read in the past that their main contracts are negotiated in USD.

I guess going forward they can try to renegotiate, but that doesn't address existing contracts, and that doesn't solve the problem of the various component prices going up at the same time either.

 

[theorist9]

The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra is using LPDDR5 RAM and not LPDDR4X tho., with the M1 Pro sporting 200GB/s (256-bits data bus), M1 Max 400GB/s (512-bits data bus) and M1 Ultra 800GB/s (1024-bits data bus) bandwidth, using 6400 MT/s modules.

Samsung announced LPDDR5X sporting 8500 MT/s, so likely it will appear in the next Studio and Mac Pro? while the rest will continue with existing LPDDR5 modules.

Thanks for the correction. I'll edit my post.

They did put faster RAM in the M1 Pro/Max (LPDDR5) than the M1 (LPDDR4x), so maybe they'll do the same with the M2 Pro/Max (LPDDR5x?) vs. the M2 (LPDDR5). But I don't know when LPDDR5x would be ready. Probably not soon enough for a fall release....

 

[pshufd]

Doesn't the ~10% devaluation of the Chinese yuan and Taiwanese dollar against the USD mean Apple's manufacturing costs are down by ~10%?* And couldn't they use that to hold the line against really egregious price increases (say, keep them to <=10%, rather than the 30% at the top of the range the OP claimed)? That might indeed be in Apple's interest, since they don't want to price themselves out of those markets.

[*This wouldn't affect a lot of their R&D costs, though, since much of that is done by US-based engineers.]

Some costs, like shipping, have dropped a lot. But US labor costs have been rising the past two years because of worker shortages.

 

[TightLines]

Lots of made up marketing jargon to get people curious ahead of some future small incremental changes with the M2 chip… in the meantime, the M1 Macbooks are being discounted big time in places… I just saved over $600 on a high end configuration from B&H Photo… I have even seen up to $700 off a really high config model. the savings i got allowed me to double the internal storage. Don’t fall for the marketing propaganda… my guess is the M2 release with all machines will be just like the ones that already have it released… and from what i can tell, its a snooze fest, nothing burger… and certainly not worth the price hikes  Apple will introduce… be smart, don’t fall for the hype!!

 

[EugW]

Lots of made up marketing jargon to get people curious ahead of some future small incremental changes with the M2 chip… in the meantime, the M1 Macbooks are being discounted big time in places… I just saved over $600 on a high end configuration from B&H Photo… I have even seen up to $700 off a really high config model. the savings i got allowed me to double the internal storage. Don’t fall for the marketing propaganda… my guess is the M2 release with all machines will be just like the ones that already have it released… and from what i can tell, its a snooze fest, nothing burger… and certainly not worth the price hikes  Apple will introduce… be smart, don’t fall for the hype!!

It seems you're in the US. A lot of other places aren't getting those discounts. I haven't seen any discounts on the Mac mini worth mentioning here in Canada. It's a very stark contrast between Amazon USA and Amazon Canada, for example. All those sales you see on Amazon.com? They aren't replicated on Amazon.ca. Furthermore, US retailers are not allowed to ship Apple hardware to Canada. I don't know which Mac you got, but for example, here's one with a $600 (12%) discount:

BTW, M2 really does have significant advantages over M1 for the non-Pro/Max versions. M2 gets hardware ProRes acceleration, and it gets 24 GB support, with the 16 --> 24 GB upgrade costing significantly less than the 16 --> 32 GB upgrade for the MacBook Pro. Furthermore, it will likely get 2 years longer of macOS updates vs. an M1 machine bought today.

 

[pshufd]

It seems you're in the US. A lot of other places aren't getting those discounts. I haven't seen any discounts on the Mac mini worth mentioning here in Canada. It's a very stark contrast between Amazon USA and Amazon Canada, for example. All those sales you see on Amazon.com? They aren't replicated on Amazon.ca. Furthermore, US retailers are not allowed to ship Apple hardware to Canada.

Someone in the NH Reddit wanted to come over the border to buy one after having it shipped to a NH address near the border. The Apple Stores are in the southern part of the state so one could just drive there but it's an extra 80 miles. It is really weird when stuff in the US is low cost compared to other countries.

 

[TightLines]

Yup, thats the configuration i should be taking delivery of tomorrow… and it is a shame that our northern brothers/sisters are not seeing the same discounts… there are services that are designed to get around the export controls some vendors have imposed on them… you have to have a u.s. mailing address and they provide that. I also would suggest coming into the u.s. for a short visit to get you a good deal…. I got mine at B&H Photo in NYC… not too far from the border if you’re in the eastern part of Canada… i suspect the biggest driver of the disparity in sales up there is due to the currency exchanges… if there was closer parity i think you would see more sales…

Its a complicated formula for  Apple, i am sure; and it gets worse over in the E.U.

 

[theorist9]

It seems you're in the US. A lot of other places aren't getting those discounts. I haven't seen any discounts on the Mac mini worth mentioning here in Canada. It's a very stark contrast between Amazon USA and Amazon Canada, for example. All those sales you see on Amazon.com? They aren't replicated on Amazon.ca. Furthermore, US retailers are not allowed to ship Apple hardware to Canada. I don't know which Mac you got, but for example, here's one with a $600 (12%) discount:

View attachment 2098819

BTW, M2 really does have significant advantages over M1 for the non-Pro/Max versions. M2 gets hardware ProRes acceleration, and it gets 24 GB support, with the 16 --> 24 GB upgrade costing significantly less than the 16 --> 32 GB upgrade for the MacBook Pro. Furthermore, it will likely get 2 years longer of macOS updates vs. an M1 machine bought today.

What about buying from B&H? They're also substantially discounting the M1 Pro/Max MBP's, and do ship to Canada:

International | B&H Photo Video

 

[EugW]

Yup, thats the configuration i should be taking delivery of tomorrow… and it is a shame that our northern brothers/sisters are not seeing the same discounts… there are services that are designed to get around the export controls some vendors have imposed on them… you have to have a u.s. mailing address and they provide that. I also would suggest coming into the u.s. for a short visit to get you a good deal…. I got mine at B&H Photo in NYC… not too far from the border if you’re in the eastern part of Canada… i suspect the biggest driver of the disparity in sales up there is due to the currency exchanges… if there was closer parity i think you would see more sales…

Its a complicated formula for  Apple, i am sure; and it gets worse over in the E.U.

Nah, it's always been this way. For a long time Amazon Canada didn't even sell Apple computers. Now they do but they don't have the sales. They don't have (m)any CTO versions either. As for the currency exchange, the CAD has only dropped something like 3% vs. the USD over the year, a far cry from the 15%+ of the Euro and Pound.

Someone in the NH Reddit wanted to come over the border to buy one after having it shipped to a NH address near the border. The Apple Stores are in the southern part of the state so one could just drive there but it's an extra 80 miles. It is really weird when stuff in the US is low cost compared to other countries.

These days I wouldn't bother doing stuff like that, as the drive from Toronto to the US is a big waste of time, and it's just not worth a few hundred bucks. However, I have extended family members who live in the Niagara region. If I lived there I would probably get a shipping address in Niagara Falls, NY to take advantage of US sales.

BTW, back in 1999 (?) Montgomery Ward went bust and liquidated a lot of their stuff. They had a RCA DVD player with an exclusive and otherwise unreleased version of Dances With Wolves on sale for US$300. In Canada, a comparable DVD player was IIRC over twice the price and didn't come with that rare unreleased movie.

So, I called up all the Montgomery Wards closest to Toronto and found one for sale in some small town a little ways from Buffalo. Back then the traffic wasn't as bad so I reserved it and after work I drove down. The US border agent at the border thought it was suspicious I was going there at night to go shopping, so I told him about the DVD player and he immediately said he was gonna check out Montgomery Ward after his shift was over. I made it to the store 15 minutes before closing time.

I ended up selling the copy of Dances With Wolves for $50 US and thus effectively got my precious DVD player for US$250, an unheard of price at the time (and I luckily didn't have to pay Canadian taxes either).

What about buying from B&H? They're also substantially disccounting the M1 Pro/Max MBP's, and do ship to Canada:
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International | B&H Photo Video

You missed my post above. Apple stuff cannot be shipped to Canada. I'm not looking for a Mac laptop anyway. I want a Mac mini, and I may go for 24 GB, just because.

 

[Kimmo]

Thanks, Amethyst.

But you have to tell us about the Mac Pro.

I know that you know more than you're telling us.

Time to spill the beans, my friend.

 

[theorist9]

I want a Mac mini, and I may go for 24 GB, just because.

There's always the Apple Canada refurb store. Not for everyone, and the discounts aren't always that great, but I think Apple refurbs are essentially indistinguishable from new. There's no AS Minis now, but stock probably goes up and down, like in the US.

BTW, even if you were to buy a Mac in the US and take it to Canada, doesn't that create warranty issues?

Refurbished Mac Deals - Apple (CA)

Save up to 15% on a refurbished Mac. Tested and certified by Apple including a 1-year warranty. Free delivery and returns.

www.apple.com

 

[EugW]

There's always the Apple Canada refurb store. Not for everyone, and the discounts aren't always that great, but I think Apple refurbs are essentially indistinguishable from new. There's no AS Minis now, but stock probably goes up and down, like in the US.

At this point I'd want a 25% discount before considering an M1 Mac mini. And like I said I'm leaning toward 24 GB, and that doesn't exist with M1 Mac minis anyway.

BTW, even if you were to buy a Mac in the US and take it to Canada, doesn't that create warranty issues?

Refurbished Mac Deals - Apple (CA)

Save up to 15% on a refurbished Mac. Tested and certified by Apple including a 1-year warranty. Free delivery and returns.

www.apple.com

I've read mixed information on this. At least with the Macs the hardware is the same. However, for iPhones, the US and Canadian iPhones are different. For example, our 14 series iPhones all have a SIM tray (along with eSIM support).

 

[Boil]

As @quarkysg mentioned, the M1 Pro/Max currently use LPDDR5. So is this meant to imply the M2 Pro/Max will be getting LPDDR5x?

The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra is using LPDDR5 RAM and not LPDDR4X tho., with the M1 Pro sporting 200GB/s (256-bits data bus), M1 Max 400GB/s (512-bits data bus) and M1 Ultra 800GB/s (1024-bits data bus) bandwidth, using 6400 MT/s modules.

Samsung announced LPDDR5X sporting 8500 MT/s, so likely it will appear in the next Studio and Mac Pro? while the rest will continue with existing LPDDR5 modules.

They did put faster RAM in the M1 Pro/Max (LPDDR5) than the M1 (LPDDR4x), so maybe they'll do the same with the M2 Pro/Max (LPDDR5x?) vs. the M1 (LPDDR5). But I don't know when LPDDR5x would be ready. Probably not soon enough for a fall release....

LPDDR5X is supposed to have up to 64GB chips, meaning a Mn Extreme Mac Pro could have up to 1TB of RAM...?

My initial thought would be that Apple keeps LPDDR5X to the ASi Mac Pro, but scale of economics might mean Apple places LPDDR5X in the Mac Studio as well...?