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Comparable PC to imac i7 specs?
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cheapest computer at best buy now with 256MB in graphics memory is $899 for a Dell core i5. add the monitor and it's the price of an iMac. wait until the CPU refresh from apple to buy and it's same price or cheaper to buy a Mac and you don't have to deal with Best Buy
add a hard drive, $100 for a Windows license and i want it to be as energy efficient as a Mac Mini. i hate paying electric bills. and it better be quieter than a Mini. the last AMD system i built my wife always complained because the fan was always on and making noise. and this CPU combo deal better include a motherboard with a DDR3 RAM chipset
and while you're at it i want it to have the software to organize photos, import my 6 year old camcorder tapes, make DVD's, make a movie from my 6 year old camcorder tapes and burn DVD's that can be played on any DVD player like any movie
but the videos on the apple site with that one VP talking, the one who sounds like he's on prozac about how cool the new MBP and how the they take this huge block of aluminum, and mill it into a small laptop shape are pretty cool
because Im smart and have plenty of money that I can spend anyway I like.
same reason I bought a BMW over a hyndai. a hyundai is "at least as good" as a BWM, right? they both get you there... but I would never buy one.
and what would I do with the thousands and thousands of dollars already invested in my mac software?
nope not even a close comparison and you say you're smart!
A Mac is cheap computer parts in a shiny, different looking exterior box
A 'PC' is cheap computer parts in a non shiny standard box.
there is no 'real' difference.
A hyundai is cheaply made plastic korean rubbish.
A BMW is well made in the EU out of superior quality materials, it is faster, safer and of superior build quality.
What should you do with your expensive Mac software..??
Cry..?
It's Apple Care. Because when you have to replace eight 27" iMacs in a row (as some people had to) you'd better get fabulous customer service
This is very poor analogy. If anything, PCs (just like BMWs) have better performance than Macs and there is orders of magnitude more software for them. Macs on the other hand are (presumably) more reliable (just like Hyundais are) and pretty shiny as of late. So yes, you bought a Hyunai (in Mac)
easier taking a Mac to the apple store and having someone see it. other way is to call Dell/HP. wait on hold for 4 hours. talk very slow so the person can understand you. spend 4 hours playing the script game. call back. beg for help again.
the dell community forums are hidden behind a login. i used mine to check them out as well as the iMac ones on Apple and Best Buy. Apple postings are mostly minor stuff. Dell/Best Buy is you guys suck because it takes you months to fix stuff even though my warranty says next day at home support. or in one case geek squad said a LCD problem was caused by dual booting two different versions of windows and wouldn't fix it
the dell community forums are hidden behind a login. i used mine to check them out as well as the iMac ones on Apple and Best Buy. Apple postings are mostly minor stuff. Dell/Best Buy is you guys suck because it takes you months to fix stuff even though my warranty says next day at home support. or in one case geek squad said a LCD problem was caused by dual booting two different versions of windows and wouldn't fix it
apple imac i7 £1797 screen 27 inch
dell xps one core 2 quad £1799 screen 24 inch
now two pictures
so now say again the imac is expensive for what you get
dell xps one core 2 quad £1799 screen 24 inch
now two pictures
so now say again the imac is expensive for what you get
windows 7 = snow leopard ?
OMG
windows 7 is just a little more bugfree version of vista,but still the same ****.eat more microsoft ****ty products.
i could understand a mac vs LINUX-PC fight..but WINDOWS vs MAC OS X...oh please,leave me alone.wizzoz 7 fanboy lawl.
Btw.i bought a mac mini for my parents,put there plex and they are HAPPY now.coz its small,its silent and its pretty (hell yeah,they care about it too,they dun wanna have an ugly box under their Tv)
I'm not a calculator.I'm buying things and i enjoy using em.I prefer to pay 1 time and forget about it.Who cares if i can swap the motherboard or nmg i haven't ever done that before and i will never do that ..Never.It's just working,it's not givin me any problems and i'm just happy.
U guys continue to buy new graphic cards,replace your motherboards,reinstall 100 times your win7 and be happy if that means being happy for u.
OMG
windows 7 is just a little more bugfree version of vista,but still the same ****.eat more microsoft ****ty products.
i could understand a mac vs LINUX-PC fight..but WINDOWS vs MAC OS X...oh please,leave me alone.wizzoz 7 fanboy lawl.
Btw.i bought a mac mini for my parents,put there plex and they are HAPPY now.coz its small,its silent and its pretty (hell yeah,they care about it too,they dun wanna have an ugly box under their Tv)
I'm not a calculator.I'm buying things and i enjoy using em.I prefer to pay 1 time and forget about it.Who cares if i can swap the motherboard or n
mg i haven't ever done that before and i will never do that ..Never.It's just working,it's not givin me any problems and i'm just happy.U guys continue to buy new graphic cards,replace your motherboards,reinstall 100 times your win7 and be happy if that means being happy for u.
Wow the trolls are out in full force.
Ok trolls. Build me a PC with the same quality monitor that is in the 27 imac. Same quality. Not some cheap bull crap 27 inch monitor. The Dell comes closest and that is even not even as good and that costs $1100.00. Now add the rest, and please include the sleek all aluminum enclosure.
Oh wait. They don't sell those for PC's. How about just come close. So now you have a Dell 27 inch that costs $1100.00 and you now have 900 to work with. Let's see $200.00 for a quad-core i5, $110.00 for 4GB memory, GPU for $100.00, HD for $100.00, now add your fans, power supplies, speakers, software, enclosure, etc.
You get the picture. Add that all up. Now tell me that the Imac is overpriced.
Go ahead and build me a PC and list the specs and cost with the same customer service instead of Abib form India that reads off some pre-printed cue card.
Lets not forget the Virus protection that is required. How about adding that all in a sleek design all-in-one package? Oh wait, they don't make those with those specs.
Quite simply, what it really boils down to is that no matter how you look at it, you really can't build one, now can you?
Go ahead trolls. We will wait.
Ok trolls. Build me a PC with the same quality monitor that is in the 27 imac. Same quality. Not some cheap bull crap 27 inch monitor. The Dell comes closest and that is even not even as good and that costs $1100.00. Now add the rest, and please include the sleek all aluminum enclosure.
Oh wait. They don't sell those for PC's. How about just come close. So now you have a Dell 27 inch that costs $1100.00 and you now have 900 to work with. Let's see $200.00 for a quad-core i5, $110.00 for 4GB memory, GPU for $100.00, HD for $100.00, now add your fans, power supplies, speakers, software, enclosure, etc.
You get the picture. Add that all up. Now tell me that the Imac is overpriced.
Go ahead and build me a PC and list the specs and cost with the same customer service instead of Abib form India that reads off some pre-printed cue card.
Lets not forget the Virus protection that is required. How about adding that all in a sleek design all-in-one package? Oh wait, they don't make those with those specs.
Quite simply, what it really boils down to is that no matter how you look at it, you really can't build one, now can you?
Go ahead trolls. We will wait.
The iMac and a good screen? Seriously? You can't even configure it to be matte. It could have the best panel in the world, behind its mirror glass it still sucks. Then there is flickering, yellow screens, dust & smears behind the glass (my 24" had three screens replaced since 2007 and I'll soon bring it in for a forth before Apple Care runs out). After almost three years with one of these glossy iMacs I know I will never buy one of Apples mirror screen products again, and I don't recommend them to anyone. Thank god you can have the bigger mbps with matte screens - I only hope it stays this way.
I'd love it if Apple would sell a machine with the iMacs specs but without its horrible screen.
Now since the Dell screen costs 1100,–, shouldn't there be a mini with an i5/i7 and a real gfx card for 900,–? Oh wait, it has a low clocked C2D and integrated gfx for that price...
I still love Apples laptops, but there simply is no Apple desktop for me. I'd like some performance without a mirror screen for under 3000,–, and of course I like their designs. But I know I won't get that from Apple anytime soon.
I'd love it if Apple would sell a machine with the iMacs specs but without its horrible screen.
Now since the Dell screen costs 1100,–, shouldn't there be a mini with an i5/i7 and a real gfx card for 900,–? Oh wait, it has a low clocked C2D and integrated gfx for that price...
I still love Apples laptops, but there simply is no Apple desktop for me. I'd like some performance without a mirror screen for under 3000,–, and of course I like their designs. But I know I won't get that from Apple anytime soon.
i agree i also do not get what i want from apple ,
i just want simple computing in a AIO design
screensize up to 17 " and a normal processor , , so in basics a normal tft with a mini on the back , as i dont want laptops on my desk they are portables and i dont need one , i would be happy if they would make th ipad a bit bigger and a bit faster processor and a bit better graphics for it with at least dedicated 64mb ram
tried, but all the PC's I priced up had decent screens, nary a p!ss yellow one to be found, so I can't compare...sorry.
I've got some calls out though, I'll let you know....
apple imac i7 £1797 screen 27 inch
dell xps one core 2 quad £1799 screen 24 inch
now two pictures
so now say again the imac is expensive for what you get
lots of people, Mac users included don't want an AIO. Not needed and any problem with the screen (hello yellow!) means no machine for x weeks.
The lack of choice in the Mac range is not a virtue.
Welcome to the Apple world! No matter how much you complain, there won't be a mid-tower. If you want one, go ahead and buy a PC. Apple has never and never will offer same kinda line up as e.g. Dell does. They don't want to and they don't have to (at least as long as Steve is around).
Why people can't be happy that we finally got desktop CPUs? We could still be paying 2000$ for 3GHz C2D and 24" screen....
Pictures of iMac i5
Edit: LOL, I posted in the wrong thread, do not know how I did that, so I will add to this thread just to be constructive as I do share some opinions here, with facts and figures to back up what I say and what was said.
Firstly, I want to start by saying that there has been a history of a having expensive computers due to the fact that Steve Jobs has an incredible attention to aesthetic details. This was the cause for NEXT going from joint hardware software to software only.
So there is defiantly a premium that mac users pay for this, regardless of what one says about hardware being modern or not, cheap, etc. This brings me to my second point nicely. If we look at the iMac strictly, which was what was addressed in the beginning, it is actually cheaper than other all-in-one (at least the decent ones from Dell and Lenovo) for what they offer (this is more true in the higher end). Take the Dell XPS One 24 for example.
I also agree with archipellago, that is were Apple is certainly lacking. However, as stated earlier, I do not think that it is within Apple's philosophy to go for it one day. I think Apple is focusing on premium, high quality and simple devices. It seems to work! (I am ignoring the iPad, since its lack of features is... bad, multitasking for example). What do you think of my iMac bellow, would you say that is acceptable?
I am not being biased here. To understand where I am coming from, at first I did not like mac. I though Windows XP was better than OS X Tiger and still do. However, since I wanted what was best, I found that OS X Leapord was better than Vista and the quality of the Macbook Pros where simplay fantastic. I joke you not, I was impressed when I closed the lid on the laptop and it went immediately to sleep (says a lot about PC laptops) and that was not one of the better features! Those little things are overlooked, but when you get them right, it makes for a very good product, even if there is only a modest hardware features.
I have tried a Dell all-in-one (an XPS one) so as to compare with an iMac. I do like the concept of all-in-one machines as they are more aesthetically appealing and are compact with less wires. However, the quality of the dell and specs where less than an iMac. I am glad I got an iMac.
Here are pictures of my first iMac i5 week 46 (the week full of yellowing) bought from the Apple store in London (Regent Street). I am satisfied as is and will probably ask for a replacement much later if I feel I can do considerably better.
I have been lurking on macrumours for a while reading people's issues and I wanted to return the favor by showing what I have. What do you think of this?
The picture was taken by a Nokia N95.
Edit: LOL, I posted in the wrong thread, do not know how I did that, so I will add to this thread just to be constructive as I do share some opinions here, with facts and figures to back up what I say and what was said.
Firstly, I want to start by saying that there has been a history of a having expensive computers due to the fact that Steve Jobs has an incredible attention to aesthetic details. This was the cause for NEXT going from joint hardware software to software only.
So there is defiantly a premium that mac users pay for this, regardless of what one says about hardware being modern or not, cheap, etc. This brings me to my second point nicely. If we look at the iMac strictly, which was what was addressed in the beginning, it is actually cheaper than other all-in-one (at least the decent ones from Dell and Lenovo) for what they offer (this is more true in the higher end). Take the Dell XPS One 24 for example.
I agree fully with kramerica, the U2711 was originally thought to have used the same panel as the iMac but may vary slightly, nevertheless, it is a comparable and the price of the Dell 27" monitor indicate the higher end iMacs are good value for money (not the case before).
I also agree with archipellago, that is were Apple is certainly lacking. However, as stated earlier, I do not think that it is within Apple's philosophy to go for it one day. I think Apple is focusing on premium, high quality and simple devices. It seems to work! (I am ignoring the iPad, since its lack of features is... bad, multitasking for example). What do you think of my iMac bellow, would you say that is acceptable?
I am not being biased here. To understand where I am coming from, at first I did not like mac. I though Windows XP was better than OS X Tiger and still do. However, since I wanted what was best, I found that OS X Leapord was better than Vista and the quality of the Macbook Pros where simplay fantastic. I joke you not, I was impressed when I closed the lid on the laptop and it went immediately to sleep (says a lot about PC laptops) and that was not one of the better features! Those little things are overlooked, but when you get them right, it makes for a very good product, even if there is only a modest hardware features.
I have tried a Dell all-in-one (an XPS one) so as to compare with an iMac. I do like the concept of all-in-one machines as they are more aesthetically appealing and are compact with less wires. However, the quality of the dell and specs where less than an iMac. I am glad I got an iMac.
Here are pictures of my first iMac i5 week 46 (the week full of yellowing) bought from the Apple store in London (Regent Street). I am satisfied as is and will probably ask for a replacement much later if I feel I can do considerably better.
I have been lurking on macrumours for a while reading people's issues and I wanted to return the favor by showing what I have. What do you think of this?
The picture was taken by a Nokia N95.
