iPad Compare 2017 iPad with Theoretical iPad Pro 10.5

[Legendts]

Tried and true!
11" MacBook Air -> 7.9" iPad mini
12" MacBook -> 9.7" iPad
13" MacBook Pro -> 10.5" iPad Pro
15" MacBook Pro -> 12.9" iPad Pro

Try taking photos with a MacBook though. Somewhat difficult. It doesn't matter what Apple do with the iPad lineup people will all have differing opinions. One thing it does do though is give people choices, may not suit everyone, but that's the way it is. I'm comfortable with that.

 

[gobikerider]

Honestly, I think Apple has actually made the choice easier by widening the gap in features and price (from just $100 to $270). Imho, it was harder to make the decision back when you can get the previous year's model for merely $100 less than current year's and the differences between the two models were less pronounced.

For the average consumers, the lower end iPad is a no-brainer.

For prosumers, well Apple is helping fund R&D for newer products by milking them with the new higher price points. I wouldn't be surprised if majority of Apple prosumers are a fairly captive audience which is relatively inelastic in terms of price elasticity of demand.

I personaly wont pay more than $1000 for a iPad, including the accesories.

 

[Appleaker]

Main difference? The 2017 iPad is real. The 10.5" iPad is not.

It's not been released or announced, but the 10.5" iPad Pro IS real.

 

[j2ee]

Presumably the 10.5" iPad will have 4GB of RAM as opposed to the 2GB in the new iPad.

Can you even give me one realistic case that the 4GB of ram is better than 2GB of ram for an ipad.

 

[ChrisLTD]

Can you even give me one realistic case that the 4GB of ram is better than 2GB of ram for an ipad.

With the larger screens you could plausibly run 3 apps side by side by side, each requiring active RAM.

 

[j2ee]

With the larger screens you could plausibly run 3 apps side by side by side, each requiring active RAM.

Are you sure that would use more than 2 GB of ram?

 

[ChrisLTD]

Are you sure that would use more than 2 GB of ram?

It would depend on the apps you wanted to have open.

 

[UltimateSyn]

Can you even give me one realistic case that the 4GB of ram is better than 2GB of ram for an ipad.

Yeah, during literally every second you use the device. Saving app states, saving tabs, pretty sure transition effects are cached in RAM too. Everything is smoother with 4GB, as anyone who's used a 12.9" Pro can vouch for.

 

[j2ee]

Yeah, during literally every second you use the device. Saving app states, saving tabs, pretty sure transition effects are cached in RAM too. Everything is smoother with 4GB, as anyone who's used a 12.9" Pro can vouch for.

So do you think it would be even smoother with 32GB ram? Not at all, you dont know what does ram really do.

 

[gobikerider]

Can you even give me one realistic case that the 4GB of ram is better than 2GB of ram for an ipad.

Browsing in Safari 4 Gb can keep 10 tabs open solidly without wavering as well with other apps on top of that, with 2Gb of ram you can easily hit the ceiling currently in which apps and tabs reload.
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Try taking photos with a MacBook though. Somewhat difficult. It doesn't matter what Apple do with the iPad lineup people will all have differing opinions. One thing it does do though is give people choices, may not suit everyone, but that's the way it is. I'm comfortable with that.

Your lineup is eaxactly as i see it.
[doublepost=1491194460][/doublepost]The simple difference of the iPad and iPad Pro 10.5 would be that the iPad Pro will be uncompromising in design, performance, and experience. The iPad Pro is for the group of people that want the best the iPad has to offer. Apple is splitting the iPad into two distinct lineups as they did with Macs. The Macbook is for the basic users and the MacBook Pro is for the heavy duty users. The same idea applies to the iPads, iPad Pro main target is creators and proffesionals. iPad is targeted at people who simply use a iPad for what it was originally sold for. Web, Books, Email, Movies, Music, TV, Games, Photos, they do not want or need to spend $600 on a iPad Pro because it isn't for them. Same reasons a MacBook Pro doesn't appeal to a person that only needs a MacBook

 

[j2ee]

Browsing in Safari 4 Gb can keep 10 tabs open solidly without wavering as well with other apps on top of that, with 2Gb of ram you can easily hit the ceiling currently in which apps and tabs reload.
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Your lineup is eaxactly as i see it.
[doublepost=1491194460][/doublepost]The simple difference of the iPad and iPad Pro 10.5 would be that the iPad Pro will be uncompromising in design, performance, and experience. The iPad Pro is for the group of people that want the best the iPad has to offer. Apple is splitting the iPad into two distinct lineups as they did with Macs. The Macbook is for the basic users and the MacBook Pro is for the heavy duty users. The same idea applies to the iPads, iPad Pro main target is creators and proffesionals. iPad is targeted at people who simply use a iPad for what it was originally sold for. Web, Books, Email, Movies, Music, TV, Games, Photos, they do not want or need to spend $600 on a iPad Pro because it isn't for them. Same reasons a MacBook Pro doesn't appeal to a person that only needs a MacBook

I saw test in youtube and 20 tab would start to have different. If you really open more than 20 tab at the same time yeah, and we are just talking about get the web page stuff from ram or need to reload the webpage.

 

[UltimateSyn]

So do you think it would be even smoother with 32GB ram? Not at all, you dont know what does ram really do.

You can get condescending all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that iOS devices run smoother with 4GB of RAM than they do with 2GB.

There is obviously a point at which additions to RAM will bring only negligible performance improvement, but that point is not below 4GB. Even the 7 Plus has 3GB. The difference in fluidity of navigation is apparent to me when using a 12.9" Pro vs 9.7" Pro.

 

[rui no onna]

You can get condescending all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that iOS devices run smoother with 4GB of RAM than they do with 2GB.

There is obviously a point at which additions to RAM will bring only negligible performance improvement, but that point is not below 4GB. Even the 7 Plus has 3GB. The difference in fluidity of navigation is apparent to me when using a 12.9" Pro vs 9.7" Pro.

Agreed. Firefox alone uses 2GB RAM (on desktop) and that's with AdBlock enabled. It's impressive that iOS and Safari runs fairly well on just 1GB. I do wonder if Apple implements storage-backed virtual memory. I know the latest iOS cache webpages for Safari to disk. I'd go back to week-old Safari tabs and while the page will re-render, it will still show the webpage content as I had left it.

One thing I'd like to point out though, the 12.9 Pro has 4GB (2x2GB) dual channel RAM as opposed to the 9.7 Pro which only has 2GB single channel RAM. That extra memory bandwidth improves performance, too, particularly the GPU. The fluidity may not exactly come from having more RAM but from having effectively faster RAM. And yep, I believe it's possible to run 3GB (2+1GB) in dual channel mode (at least for the first 1GB).

 

[kingkoopakoopa]

I personaly wont pay more than $1000 for a iPad, including the accesories.

I agree... I originally purchased the 9.7 iPP w/256gb, pencil, and Logitech case/keyboard. I was over the 1k mark easily, I returned it less then a week later.

 

[j2ee]

You can get condescending all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that iOS devices run smoother with 4GB of RAM than they do with 2GB.

There is obviously a point at which additions to RAM will bring only negligible performance improvement, but that point is not below 4GB. Even the 7 Plus has 3GB. The difference in fluidity of navigation is apparent to me when using a 12.9" Pro vs 9.7" Pro.

While you have no prove at all, I see.

 

[gobikerider]

I agree... I originally purchased the 9.7 iPP w/256gb, pencil, and Logitech case/keyboard. I was over the 1k mark easily, I returned it less then a week later.

I don't see a issue buying the iPad but your issue their was buying a 256gb version. Why did you feel compelled to get that version?
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You can get condescending all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that iOS devices run smoother with 4GB of RAM than they do with 2GB.

There is obviously a point at which additions to RAM will bring only negligible performance improvement, but that point is not below 4GB. Even the 7 Plus has 3GB. The difference in fluidity of navigation is apparent to me when using a 12.9" Pro vs 9.7" Pro.

In safari yes the 12.9 is slightly smoother but normal ui it actually seems to stutter more, Apple stilll needs to work on a beefier gpu to carry the weight of 5 million pixels smoothly.

 

[Phonzoxd]

Yeah, during literally every second you use the device. Saving app states, saving tabs, pretty sure transition effects are cached in RAM too. Everything is smoother with 4GB, as anyone who's used a 12.9" Pro can vouch for.

I have it, and i can definitely vouch for it.

Back in ios9 it use to never auto reload my web pages, now on ios10 my pages reload. So yea more ram is needed.

 

[Sirmausalot]

Thank you. That is the most cognizent answer so far and makes it clear I should go for the iPad Pro for my photo work -- as well as writing and other tasks. I am still getting around the fact that I find iOS and apps lacking compared to what is on Mac OS X or Windows. I dislike the lack of decent file management and the fact that I can't use the iPad for film work on the go. But the form factor is kind of unbeatable as I can use it and take it places even a laptop can't comfortably go. My iPad 3 has unexpectedly been going strong since its release and if I can get that many years out of the pro, it is likely worth it. The most difficult part is waiting for a release.

[doublepost=1491194460][/doublepost]The simple difference of the iPad and iPad Pro 10.5 would be that the iPad Pro will be uncompromising in design, performance, and experience. The iPad Pro is for the group of people that want the best the iPad has to offer. Apple is splitting the iPad into two distinct lineups as they did with Macs. The Macbook is for the basic users and the MacBook Pro is for the heavy duty users. The same idea applies to the iPads, iPad Pro main target is creators and proffesionals. iPad is targeted at people who simply use a iPad for what it was originally sold for. Web, Books, Email, Movies, Music, TV, Games, Photos, they do not want or need to spend $600 on a iPad Pro because it isn't for them. Same reasons a MacBook Pro doesn't appeal to a person that only needs a MacBook

 

[kingkoopakoopa]

I don't see a issue buying the iPad but your issue their was buying a 256gb version. Why did you feel compelled to get that version?

I didn't think 256gb was worth the price when the 128gb was selling for 599