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I have actually thought of taking the Macbook Pro apart and re-applying thermal paste, but don't want to do this while it's my only computer just in case I do something to damage it.

You might want to do that before you experience any instability . I re-thermal pasted a gorgeous IBM Thinkpad T61P that had a wonderful nVidia GPU that overtemped . By the time she got new paste , the GPU was already dead . Maybe could have reflowed the solder , but I accidentally melted the keyboard performing an old technicians trick first . :eek:
 
You might want to do that before you experience any instability . I re-thermal pasted a gorgeous IBM Thinkpad T61P that had a wonderful nVidia GPU that overtemped . By the time she got new paste , the GPU was already dead . Maybe could have reflowed the solder , but I accidentally melted the keyboard performing an old technicians trick first . :eek:

Yeh, as I said though, while it's my only computer, I don't want to do anything to risk breaking it.
 
I'm looking at a Mac Pro with these specs:
2.8ghz quad core dual
16gb ram
Radeon 2600 HD 256mb
1tb HD
keyboard
Apple 24" monitor
mouse
1 optical drive
no airport (can be added)
Price is $560
Is early 2008 3,1

Have a look at the bargain basement 4,1 I posted about. A 4,1 for $475 trumps a 3,1 for $560. (even with Single CPU)

MODS: I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH SELLER
 
Have a look at the bargain basement 4,1 I posted about. A 4,1 for $475 trumps a 3,1 for $560. (even with Single CPU)

MODS: I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH SELLER

A 2008 Eight Core Mac Pro 3,1 will be a significantly faster Mac than any base model 2.66 , 2.8 , 3.2 GHz Quad Core Nehalem 2009-12 Mac Pro 4,1 .

But the 4,1 will have much better upgrade opportunities ...

His 2008 bundle does come with an Apple HD display , which I think is worth taking into account .
 
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A 2008 Eight Core Mac Pro 3,1 will be a significantly faster Mac than any base model 2.66 , 2.8 , 3.2 GHz Quad Core Nehalem 2009-12 Mac Pro 4,1 .

Actually not quite true. the eight core will be faster for multi-core aware applications, not so much for normal every day stuff. And, as you say, the 4,1 Mac Pro is much more upgradable.

IMHO, anyone who buys a cMP should be looking at a 4,1 single CPU or 5,1 single or dual CPU model. The 3,1 has architecture that is just too dated and the 4,1 dual CPU Mac Pro is just too difficult to upgrade.

Lou
 
Actually not quite true. the eight core will be faster for multi-core aware applications, not so much for normal every day stuff. And, as you say, the 4,1 Mac Pro is much more upgradable.

IMHO, anyone who buys a cMP should be looking at a 4,1 single CPU or 5,1 single or dual CPU model. The 3,1 has architecture that is just too dated and the 4,1 dual CPU Mac Pro is just too difficult to upgrade.

Lou

All valid points , but please remember a lot of my Creative clients are financially poor . In the last week I've had two clients practically beg me to finance their desired purchase . I politely explain to them I'm a technician and not a banker or a credit card company . I just make the rigs as best I can .

In their eyes, the price difference between a $1000 2008 Eight Core system and a $1500 2009-2012 Quad Core system that are both configured to be respectable multimedia editing machines is huge . Future upgradability is not always a pressing concern for these folks . And most pro software will recognize the additional cores . Apple had this ability since OS X 10.6 Snow with GCD - that was a long time ago ...

Do you know the thrill some people get when they take a ride on a roller-coaster with vertical drops or go skiing at night around pine trees ? I get the same feeling when I rebuild those DP 2009 cMPs ... I literally get a high from it, knowing the slightest mistake will fry a lot of expensive components . ;)
 
Do you know the thrill some people get when they take a ride on a roller-coaster with vertical drops or go skiing at night around pine trees ? I get the same feeling when I rebuild those DP 2009 cMPs ... I literally get a high from it, knowing the slightest mistake will fry a lot of expensive components . ;)

Yep, I understand that thrill when something works. I've known it over the years on my Macs, my car, my truck. Most of the things I own I modify in some way. I've even modified my hot air pop corn popper. But, again, IMO, the risks of modifying DP 4,1 CPUs are just so great in my mind, that I wouldn't attempt it. I guess I'm just a big CHICKEN:eek:

Oh, and I hate roller coasters. I've ridden them 3 times in my life, and each they scared the bejesus out of me. And, I'm 76 years old.

Lou
 
Yep, I understand that thrill when something works. I've known it over the years on my Macs, my car, my truck. Most of the things I own I modify in some way. I've even modified my hot air pop corn popper. But, again, IMO, the risks of modifying DP 4,1 CPUs are just so great in my mind, that I wouldn't attempt it. I guess I'm just a big CHICKEN:eek:

Oh, and I hate roller coasters. I've ridden them 3 times in my life, and each they scared the bejesus out of me. And, I'm 76 years old.

Lou

I like you , Lou . You're a gentleman :cool:

How do you modify a pop corn popper ? I'm quite old fashioned with my cooking . I percolate my coffee :D and I simply pop popcorn in a pot with olive oil . Clean up is a bit messy , but I'm sure the oil is healthy . It helps control the bad cholesterol .

The last time I was on a coaster was Disney World in '76 at Space Mountain . A truly Magical place back then and lots of wonderful memories of Florida . If you go today, I hear you get a nasty case of Mickey Measles :eek:

I'm 50 years old . Years ago, I used to be a pro manufacturer . Durable goods . NW side, Chi-town . Chinese did me in and my business went belly up in 2000 . But it set the stage for me to build custom Macs since all the basic skills I acquired as a manufacturer were directly transferable to building systems . Like Dilbert , I've got the "knack" . It was awful at first, but I survived . :D

Ten years ago, I hardly knew how to format a hard drive in a computer . And I always loved technology , too . Today , I make some of the most powerful Mac systems in my area . And I did it all self-taught . All it takes is knowledge and some experience .

I was so scared of upgrading the DP MP 4,1 (and I'm an experienced builder) that I read everything I could about the process . It took three months of research before I did my first one . And I did it completely manually without any safeties (read: washers) . Manually tightening the HS fasteners one quarter turn at a time . And when she chimed for the first time , it was like bringing new life into this world . I nearly cried . I didn't think it would work due to all the horror stories from the techs and hobbyists before . Still took me three hours of tweaking with the hex driver to get ECC memory functions working properly . But I did a perfect job and that Mac is still rendering this very day . I build systems that last . When the client picked it up, do you know what he said ? "There's a scratch on the case, see, over there..." I had to break out my bench magnifier with the thick German lens to see it . It was a quarter inch long . Typical hypersensitive Apple fanboi :rolleyes:

Over time , I perfected the process . I'm one of the leading commercial builders of these systems now and I've always succeeded at it . Simply because I'm so paranoid about failing , I don't . I have a list of procedures and if the installer has a basic computer building skill set, the right parts and the right tools , it can be done .

Scariest thing I ever did was stand on the edge of a cliff , with a drop so far down cattle looked like dots and the huge circular water troughs of the SW USA ranches looked like half the size of a dime . And it was windy . And no one was there to hold my hand .

Upgrading a DP 4,1 MP was a piece of cake compared to that . Let's do it together . At no charge . And I'll hold your hand . :cool:
 
Upgrading a DP 4,1 MP was a piece of cake compared to that . Let's do it together . At no charge . And I'll hold your hand . :cool:

Nope, not me! I've got a 5,1 that I've upgraded twice now. First to W5590s than to X5677s. For what I do, 8 fast cores is plenty. And the 5,1 - MUCH less stressful.

Lou
 
Do you know the thrill some people get when they take a ride on a roller-coaster with vertical drops or go skiing at night around pine trees? I;)
I don't get a thrill but MP 3,1's do! :D Most 4,1's and 5,1's are afraid of the speed but not the old 2008's!
 

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Actually not quite true. the eight core will be faster for multi-core aware applications, not so much for normal every day stuff. And, as you say, the 4,1 Mac Pro is much more upgradable.

IMHO, anyone who buys a cMP should be looking at a 4,1 single CPU or 5,1 single or dual CPU model. The 3,1 has architecture that is just too dated and the 4,1 dual CPU Mac Pro is just too difficult to upgrade.

Lou
Most 4,1 systems for sale are single CPU quad cores & most 3,1 models are dual quad core. The octo-core 2008 systems are still great value solid systems. An SSD & a PC graphics card are all that is needed by way of upgrade. If low on RAM then use the much cheaper 667Mhz FB-DIMMs for & give it 16-32GB.

Never underestimate the advantages of a dual CPU versus single CPU system. The 4,1 quad core systems are little faster in single stream applications & the 3,1 octo-core will not only crunch through tasks like rendering video better but a dual CPU system is much more responsive when multitasking & switching between applications.
 
Thanks for your comments.

My next mac will become my main computer and it will be used for Web Development, Light graphics work (web related) and the day to day tasks involved in running my business.

There is also a requirement for Parallels as I use WinSCP alot and haven't found anything suitable for OSX yes.

I must admit though that looking at the various specs Apples new systems offer, it is very difficult to not go down the Windows route with a custom build.

This workflow sounds like it would benefit more from a Mac Mini than an older Mac Pro. The older Mac Pros have these primary benefits:

  • Multiprocessor support. Though with Hyperthreading a quad core i7 about matches the dual quad core 2008 Mac Pro.
  • Resistent to thermal throttling under heavy load. Mac Pros retain their ability to operate a full speed under heavy load
  • Expandability

The workload you described above doesn't appear to benefit from any of the Mac Pro's strengths. However it probably would benefit from higher single thread performance and updated technology found in later consumer level Macs. Hate to say it but consider a Mac Mini / iMac.
 
Sonnett Aria instead of Airport

I'm wondering if a Sonnett Aria card would work in a Mac Pro. It works great in a G5 but I don't know if the slots are the same. The Aria is a PCI card.
Thanks.
 
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I'm wondering if a Sonnett Aria card would work in a Mac Pro. It works great in a G5 but I don't know if the slots are the same. The Aria is a PCI card.
Thanks.

No . It would not work . The aria requires a PCI slot . Mac Pro workstations have PCIe slots . Incompatible !

Now, if you had an old G4 lying around ... :cool:
 
I'm one of the leading commercial builders of these systems now and I've always succeeded at it .

Aww, come on. You can't drop a hint like that and not tell us who you are.

Certainly a "leading builder" would have some former customers on here? I looked up "Creation Machines" and found nothing (and I mean NOTHING) so you must be operating under another name?

Give us a hint....
 
Aww, come on. You can't drop a hint like that and not tell us who you are.

Certainly a "leading builder" would have some former customers on here? I looked up "Creation Machines" and found nothing (and I mean NOTHING) so you must be operating under another name?

Give us a hint....

To answer your questions , yes and yes . But it won't help much :D
 
This workflow sounds like it would benefit more from a Mac Mini than an older Mac Pro. The older Mac Pros have these primary benefits:

  • Multiprocessor support. Though with Hyperthreading a quad core i7 about matches the dual quad core 2008 Mac Pro.
  • Resistent to thermal throttling under heavy load. Mac Pros retain their ability to operate a full speed under heavy load
  • Expandability

The workload you described above doesn't appear to benefit from any of the Mac Pro's strengths. However it probably would benefit from higher single thread performance and updated technology found in later consumer level Macs. Hate to say it but consider a Mac Mini / iMac.

I don't fully agree. IF (and a big if) you can find anyone selling a Quad Core i7 Mac Mini these days, they are around £650-£700. A quick look on ebay says I can get a decent spec Mac Pro 4.1 for that sort of money. Bearing in mind the lack of upgradeability of a Mac Mini, the Mac Pro would potentially be more suitable for longer than a Mac Mini would.
 
I don't fully agree. IF (and a big if) you can find anyone selling a Quad Core i7 Mac Mini these days, they are around £650-£700. A quick look on ebay says I can get a decent spec Mac Pro 4.1 for that sort of money. Bearing in mind the lack of upgradeability of a Mac Mini, the Mac Pro would potentially be more suitable for longer than a Mac Mini would.

However the Mac Mini is going to have better single core performance than those Mac Pros. As I said your workflow doesn't appear to draw on the strengths of the Mac Pro. Perhaps I don't fully understand your workflow however I do not see a lot of multithreaded work. Thus fewer, faster cores are likely to benefit you over more, slower cores (A Core i5 Mini has two cores and hyperthreading giving an "effective" four cores.) I also believe the 16GB RAM limit will be sufficient for your needs until such time as you need to upgrade again.

With that said I did see your other thread so I wish you the best with your Mac Pro selection. They're great systems (I've got two 4,1 on the way).
 
However the Mac Mini is going to have better single core performance than those Mac Pros. As I said your workflow doesn't appear to draw on the strengths of the Mac Pro. Perhaps I don't fully understand your workflow however I do not see a lot of multithreaded work. Thus fewer, faster cores are likely to benefit you over more, slower cores (A Core i5 Mini has two cores and hyperthreading giving an "effective" four cores.) I also believe the 16GB RAM limit will be sufficient for your needs until such time as you need to upgrade again.

With that said I did see your other thread so I wish you the best with your Mac Pro selection. They're great systems (I've got two 4,1 on the way).

I agree with what you're saying in principle, that the Mac Mini performs better on single core applications.

The key benefit of a Mac Pro (and ultimately what cemented my decision), is I currently use parallels with Windows 7, which I mainly use for WinSCP but also for testing development in IE. With a dual core processor, when running parallels, I'd only have 1 core for Windows and 1 core for OSX (I have parallels running pretty much all the time.

If I was to go for a 2014 Mac Mini with 16GB Ram, it would cost me £729 which I just can't justify. Mac Mini's were once released as a budget option to buy a Mac, but they prices and limitations are crippling.
 
I agree with what you're saying in principle, that the Mac Mini performs better on single core applications.

The key benefit of a Mac Pro (and ultimately what cemented my decision), is I currently use parallels with Windows 7, which I mainly use for WinSCP but also for testing development in IE. With a dual core processor, when running parallels, I'd only have 1 core for Windows and 1 core for OSX (I have parallels running pretty much all the time.

If I was to go for a 2014 Mac Mini with 16GB Ram, it would cost me £729 which I just can't justify. Mac Mini's were once released as a budget option to buy a Mac, but they prices and limitations are crippling.

People run Parallels on much less capable systems without issue. With that said you've made your decision. I think you'll be fine with the Mac Pro. It's a great system. I currently own a 5,1 and I have two 4,1's on the way (though I'm giving one to my brother).
 
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