Culture, taste, image .... and Apple's direction.

[macbookhair]

Well, I give you that, at first you looked like a troll.

But do you understand that your opinion is too unpragmatic?
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Sorry, but you proved nothing in that wall of text, and no, Steve Jobs didn't had anything to do with TouchID, you just like the idea he did. There are no jamming problems or else Nilay Patel would write about it and I can't find it.

I thought they answered you very eloquently.

 

[maflynn]

Touch Bar and the Digital Crown were answers for a question no one was asking.

Agreed, I have an apple watch its ok, but the digital crown is not something that I seem to take advantage of much. As for touchbar that's a solution that is looking for a problem.

I have serious concerns that the next iPhone could end up being a massive QC disaster with Apple supposedly looking to add many different features never before seen on other iPhones.

Agreed and after the missteps with the MBP, that only increases the concern.

Reality is, Apple may be stretching itself too thin and losing its original corporate culture. By introducing too much new blood and losing many of its core members this is only going to continue and Apple will become a very different company than what it used to be 10 years ago.

They're organized as a start up and I think that structure is hurting more then helping. I don't think you can keep pushing the same indiividuals to work on iOS and make a deadline, only to then reassign them after that and push them hard to make the macOS deadline.

 

[Cineplex]

Well, I give you that, at first you looked like a troll.

But do you understand that your opinion is too unpragmatic?
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My opinion may be illogical to some. But it is based on a few kek experiences in my life:
1) Being an Apple Customer since 1986
2) Working For Apple in AppleCare Support
3) Working Supporting Apple Products and consulting
4) Consulting for Apple Professional Systems (like a video production studio with FCP Server and such)
5) Knowing people still employed by Apple

I have seen from many perspectives why I dislike Apple today. The culture of the 90's Apple was very different, and while it became stagnant, it was a much better organization in my opinion. Apple just doesn't care about customers unless they are buying phones or watches. The spark is gone. I think part of that spark was the R&D group mentioned above.

 

[Zirel]

Agreed and after the missteps with the MBP, that only increases the concern.

Mac revenue = +7%
Surface revenue = -2%

Which is better?

That's with the introduction of the "awesome" and "well reviewed" Surface Studio, that starts at $3K.

People have voted with their wallets, and they want Macs, skinny, beautiful, silent, 18 hours of real world battery life, powerful, up to 42W quad-core, 10 bit displays, the latest and most modern ports, the, by far, the best expansion possibilities on the market, and the most trusted brand in the business, by far, trust built with stores with excellent employees, and excellent costumer care. Not forced upgrades to windows 10, and ads on the start menu, confusing interfaces with two control panels that you need to google off where to find the setting to change your DNS in 9 "easy steps".

 

[maflynn]

Apple just doesn't care about customers unless they are buying phones or watches

Outside looking in, I agree. Just look how long the Mac Mini and Mac Pro have gone without updates. I understand the iPhone generates most of the revenue, but they still make billions from the Mac line so why not give it a little more love

 

[Toutou]

And they don't deliver that!

They are crap!

...they sound tiny, they have no bass, everybody hears what you're listening to, they are uncomfortable, they don't fold.

That's pretty much the usual reaction after hearing accurate sounding headphones for the first time.

Yes, everybody hears what you're listening to. They're OPEN headphones and are supposed to work like that.

Uncomfortable, maybe, that's personal preference.

They don't fold..? Why the hell would I want my hi-fi headphones to fold? So they take less space on the table next to my preferred audio source, a DAC and a headphone amplifier?

Grado is a high end headphone company, just like Sennheiser or AKG. Their target market is pretty much disjunct with Beats' target market.

 

[Zirel]

That's pretty much the usual reaction after hearing accurate sounding headphones for the first time.

Yeah, right... sounding like a $10 radio is "hearing accurate sounding headphones for the first time"...

They don't reproduce the music instruments, the recordings are right, they are bad.

There's nothing good from them being open, except easier to manufacture.

They don't fold..? Why the hell would I want my hi-fi headphones to fold? So they take less space on the table next to my preferred audio source, a DAC and a headphone amplifier?

Does folding make them sound worse?

No?

Then I expect them to fold.

Grado is a high end headphone company, just like Sennheiser or AKG. Their target market is pretty much disjunct with Beats' target market.

Audiophile market is a market for fools.

Source: I'm an Electrical Engineer. They sell bad stuff for crazy (>1000%) high margins, and the worse, since they can't make nice modern things, they market old stuff as "better" (like turntables).

Want a good pair of professional headphones? Get a Beyerdynamic DT 1770 Pro, those are the best headphones in the world, confort and sound quality, want cheaper? DT 770 Pro. Then you'll realize what a good pair of headphones is.

 

[imanidiot]

Yeah, right... sounding like a $10 radio is "hearing accurate sounding headphones for the first time"...

Audiophile market is a market for fools

Source: I'm an Electrical Engineer. They sell bad stuff for crazy (>1000%) high margins, and the worse, since they can't make nice modern things, they market old stuff as "better" (like turntables).

Want a good pair of professional headphones? Get a Beyerdynamic DT 1770 Pro, those are the best headphones in the world, confort and sound quality, want cheaper? DT 770 Pro. Then you'll realize what a good pair of headphones is.

That's an opinion. Everybody has one. Being an Electrical Engineer is meaningless in this context, it gives you no special insight into what sounds real and what doesn't, any more than it makes you a conductor or a musician.

 

[Toutou]

There's nothing good from them being open, except easier to manufacture.

Just stop right there, open and closed headphones are like night and day and the ONLY reason for them to be closed is sound isolation. Closed headphones are a compromise! Headphone manufacturers spend millions to overcome the natural weaknesses of the closed design and hide the massive peak in frequency response. I get it, you're obviously not a hi-fi person and you might be a great electrical engineer, but audio is a field on its own.

 

[Zirel]

That's an opinion. Everybody has one. Being an Electrical Engineer is meaningless in this context, it gives you no special insight into what sounds real and what doesn't, any more than it makes you a conductor or a musician.

There's no such thing as "sound real or doesn't".

Just stop right there, open and closed headphones are like night and day and the ONLY reason for them to be closed is sound isolation. Closed headphones are a compromise! Headphone manufacturers spend millions to overcome the natural weaknesses of the closed design and hide the massive peak in frequency response. I get it, you're obviously not a hi-fi person and you might be a great electrical engineer, but audio is a field on its own.

Please don't stop... : popcorn :

 

[imanidiot]

There's no such thing as "sound real or doesn't".:

Beg to differ. Are you deaf by any chance? Ever heard live music? Ever compared it to reproduced music? Ever notice the difference? Didn't think so. Have a good day

Please don't stop... : popcorn :

Cheap shot. Go away.

 

[Zirel]

Beg to differ. Are you deaf by any chance? Ever heard live music? Ever compared it to reproduced music? Ever notice the difference? Didn't think so. Have a good day


Cheap shot. Go away.

I get it... my headphones sound unreal, yours sound real...

The things people tell to themselves...

 

[uscgrad]

Apple have always been huge on marketing and aesthetics so it wasn't a huge surprise when they bought Beats. A fashionable product that looks great but is overpriced is sort of Apple's mantra after all. What's more surprising to me is how the AirPod's got such a push compared the Beatsx and how Apple presumably plan to continue to keep their earphones and Beats separate entities.

 

[I7guy]

Because Jobs had charisma and Cook does not

I could never relate on that level to jobs which is why I never watched the iPhone reveal. I like cook much better in that aspect. To each their own I guess.

 

[maflynn]

I could never relate on that level to jobs which is why I never watched the iPhone reveal. I like cook much better in that aspect. To each their own I guess.

You cannot deny that Steve Jobs was a master showman, and while he may of failed to reach you, his success in that area is well known. On the other hand, its not only my opinion but others, that T. Cook fails to have any stage presence at these media events. I think this is why they started using other Apple employees to help showcase the items more then they did with Jobs

 

[I7guy]

You cannot deny that Steve Jobs was a master showman, and while he may of failed to reach you, his success in that area is well known. On the other hand, its not only my opinion but others, that T. Cook fails to have any stage presence at these media events. I think this is why they started using other Apple employees to help showcase the items more then they did with Jobs

Without taking away SJ's accomplishments, I happen to like the way the Sept release is structured and seeing members of the management team give presentations. It makes it seem like apple is more than a one man show. It's possible I may be in the minority here, but I like listening to Cook and the formula apple cooked up for the new product reveal.

 

[maflynn]

, I happen to like the way the Sept release is structured and seeing members of the management team give presentations

You know its funny, but I was just thinking about the latest media event and to be honest how I just did not like it. I think its the personalities, but some of it was just painful to watch. Tim Cook showing off photos of the iPhone 7, reminded me of that uncle showing off his vacation slides that no one wanted to see. Schiller has a way about him that just rubs me the wrong way. Federighi seems to have the best stage presence, though his jokes seemed a little forced last time.

I'm not saying other companies are doing it better because they're not. Microsoft's Panos Panay comes across as incredibly arrogant.