Current MBP chip design flaw

[Ma2k5]

I think what really made me lose credibility for Louis Rossman was this:

He says a lot - about how Apple wrongly seized his batteries, went on to make a lot of legal threats and how he will make Apple Pay (don’t think he actually followed through with it - you’ll see why below).

But his lies got exposed on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comm...o_using_parts_from_a/?st=JPTYZ4EQ&sh=8408b52c

So the guy knowingly not only purchases unauthorised batteries - he asks his suppliers to use a sharpie to colour in the “Apple logo” on the batteries to make sure they don’t get caught in customs (real Apple batteries don’t have these logo’s while the fake ones do) - and then makes a video with false claims to make Apple look bad?

Everyone here knows I’m an Apple critic as much as anyone, but we must call out the ******** no matter where it comes from.

On topic: Do not return it on the basis of this “apparent” chip placement issue, there are some reasons to consider not buying or returning a MacBook (keyboard, T2 chip etc) but this isn’t it.

 

[SDColorado]

But his lies got exposed on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comm...o_using_parts_from_a/?st=JPTYZ4EQ&sh=8408b52c

I don't give much weight to anything I read on Reddit either since it is all unverified and unsubstantiated opinion. That doesn't mean it is wrong, but I would never use it as a "source."

 

[Ma2k5]

I don't give much weight to anything I read on Reddit either since it is all unverified and unsubstantiated opinion. That doesn't mean it is wrong, but I would never use it as a "source."

Louis Rossman posts on Reddit, he implicated himself. This wasn’t an opinion piece, rather Louis saying one thing in his video and another on Reddit.

 

[poldidak]

I think what really made me lose credibility for Louis Rossman was this:

He says a lot - about how Apple wrongly seized his batteries, went on to make a lot of legal threats and how he will make Apple Pay (don’t think he actually followed through with it - you’ll see why below).

But his lies got exposed on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comm...o_using_parts_from_a/?st=JPTYZ4EQ&sh=8408b52c

So the guy knowingly not only purchases unauthorised batteries - he asks his suppliers to use a sharpie to colour in the “Apple logo” on the batteries to make sure they don’t get caught in customs (real Apple batteries don’t have these logo’s while the fake ones do) - and then makes a video with false claims to make Apple look bad?

Everyone here knows I’m an Apple critic as much as anyone, but we must call out the ******** no matter where it comes from.

On topic: Do not return it on the basis of this “apparent” chip placement issue, there are some reasons to consider not buying or returning a MacBook (keyboard, T2 chip etc) but this isn’t it.

Thanks for bringing it back around to my specific situation of needing to decide how much risk I want to take on by keeping a MBPtb 2018 from a line known to have several concerning issues. I understand that every brand and model of technology has its risk--I've lived through my fair share of devices that have failed due to poor design elements! I am primarily interested in hearing opinions (expert or just experienced) about whether what sounds to me like a bad choice in circuitry design is likely to result in early failure.

I was really looking forward to upgrading from my 2012 Macbook Air, which continues to serve me well (with only a battery replacement). The horsepower of the 2018 MBPtb is amazing, and I'd be using it for processor-intensive music production that my MBA can't handle. So I'm hoping to purchase a machine that gives me as long of service as the Air has, without worrying about premature failure (like my MBP 2011's).

 

[leman]

His channel isn't one set to give you entertaining overviews of various laptop board designs. His channel is setup to cover interesting (to him) topics on repairs he's done to various Apple (and sometimes other) devices in technical detail. [...] His videos give me a wider exposure, but I don't take them as gospel in any way on overall Apple reliability.

And yet this thread is a great example to why this simply doesn't work. We have potential customers that are scared away from Apple products based on an alleged design flaw, even though the practical relevance of this "flaw" is zero. Again, if there was a serious reliability problem, someone would have already spotted a large number of systematic logic boards failures.

 

[LogicalApex]

And yet this thread is a great example to why this simply doesn't work. We have potential customers that are scared away from Apple products based on an alleged design flaw, even though the practical relevance of this "flaw" is zero. Again, if there was a serious reliability problem, someone would have already spotted a large number of systematic logic boards failures.

Apple doesn't make it easy on themselves. For instance, you could spend time on this forum, as I have, reading the long thread on the keyboard failures or T2 issues on the MBP 2018 and you'd also be heavily concerned about the model's reliability. It isn't helped much by the 2017 being given an extended warranty by Apple, but Apple still burying the issue by replacing units with keyboards that have the same flaw only to have users on a hamster wheel.

My 2018 has been problem free (well my first one had a USB C port die, but I'm not worried about that) and I'm not convinced there is a massive problem, but no one outside of Apple has the real failure rates so we can only guess how widespread any issue is or isn't.

I am honestly perplexed by Apple when it comes to these issues. For instance, the 2017 issue would be super easy to solve with them swapping users to 2018 models when they have repeated failures as it buys customer goodwill and captures their unofficial fix (ignoring that some users still have issues). For the T2 issues I'd expect some level of an official support article noting the causes, fixes, and other details by now since it traces back to the iMac from 2017.

 

[Camark08]

Louis is right about alot of the things he says about Apple(I'm a MacBook user, and have an android phone). But he bashes Apple like other brands don't have their share of issues.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Louis is right about alot of the things he says about Apple(I'm a MacBook user, and have an android phone). But he bashes Apple like other brands don't have their share of issues.

Clickbaiters gotta eat, on youtube channels the full story is almost never the full story ;p

 

[_Kiki_]

Apple is against for right to repair, they want force people to use expensive authorised services, but people should have a choice where they want repair their devices, we have democracy and people should have free choice

I think what really made me lose credibility for Louis Rossman was this:

He says a lot - about how Apple wrongly seized his batteries, went on to make a lot of legal threats and how he will make Apple Pay (don’t think he actually followed through with it - you’ll see why below).

But his lies got exposed on Reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comm...o_using_parts_from_a/?st=JPTYZ4EQ&sh=8408b52c

So the guy knowingly not only purchases unauthorised batteries - he asks his suppliers to use a sharpie to colour in the “Apple logo” on the batteries to make sure they don’t get caught in customs (real Apple batteries don’t have these logo’s while the fake ones do) - and then makes a video with false claims to make Apple look bad?

Everyone here knows I’m an Apple critic as much as anyone, but we must call out the ******** no matter where it comes from.

On topic: Do not return it on the basis of this “apparent” chip placement issue, there are some reasons to consider not buying or returning a MacBook (keyboard, T2 chip etc) but this isn’t it.

unauthorised batteries? unauthorised by who? Apple is now above the Law or they hiring customs officers?
new specimen like customs geniuses who have x-ray in the eyes and amazing knowledge which can define genuine product like batteries from fake within seconds
Do you work for US customs? Do you have photos of Chinese Apple batteries which they was seized by customs ?
Did you ever bought anything directly from China ?

 

[leman]

unauthorised batteries? unauthorised by who? Apple is now above the Law or they hiring customs officers?

Seriously? Batteries are potentially dangerous objects and manufacturing issues can lead to tragic consequences. They adhere to strict safety standards prescribed by law. Not to mention that laptop maker's certification ensures that the battery can be operated safely in the particular device and that the maker is prepared to take responsibility. Using counterfeit, uncertified batteries, which probably also haven't been tested for safety and may house god knows what flaws, is literally playing with fire. Would you put tyres of unknown origin, that haven't been properly tested, on your car and trust your life on them?

And yes, it might come as a surprise to you, but counterfeit produce is illegal in most civilised countries and will indeed get confiscated by the customs. Duh. Not to mention when we are talking about dangerous items.

 

[_Kiki_]

Seriously? Batteries are potentially dangerous objects and manufacturing issues can lead to tragic consequences. They adhere to strict safety standards prescribed by law. Not to mention that laptop maker's certification ensures that the battery can be operated safely in the particular device and that the maker is prepared to take responsibility. Using counterfeit, uncertified batteries, which probably also haven't been tested for safety and may house god knows what flaws, is literally playing with fire. Would you put tyres of unknown origin, that haven't been properly tested, on your car and trust your life on them?

And yes, it might come as a surprise to you, but counterfeit produce is illegal in most civilised countries and will indeed get confiscated by the customs. Duh. Not to mention when we are talking about dangerous items.

do you know there is a law to protect people against monopoly practices? 3rd party batteries are still legal to use if they have all safety certificates

 

[leman]

do you know there is a law to protect people against monopoly practices? 3rd party batteries are still legal to use if they have all safety certificates

I think its fairly obvious that in this case the batteries didn't have any safety certificates, coming from rejected production and furthermore being fashioned in a way that is supposed to fool the user (fake Apple branding etc.). Did you even read the reddit thread?

 

[_Kiki_]

I think its fairly obvious that in this case the batteries didn't have any safety certificates, coming from rejected production and furthermore being fashioned in a way that is supposed to fool the user (fake Apple branding etc.). Did you even read the reddit thread?

Yes, I don't see where Louis is admitting the batteries were fake
I don't see photos of these batteries so I can't compare with my MBP battery
also Jessa from iPadRehab stating about genuine iPhone OEM screens seized by customs

 

[Ma2k5]

Apple is against for right to repair, they want force people to use expensive authorised services, but people should have a choice where they want repair their devices, we have democracy and people should have free choice



unauthorised batteries? unauthorised by who? Apple is now above the Law or they hiring customs officers?
new specimen like customs geniuses who have x-ray in the eyes and amazing knowledge which can define genuine product like batteries from fake within seconds
Do you work for US customs? Do you have photos of Chinese Apple batteries which they was seized by customs ?
Did you ever bought anything directly from China ?

What nonsense did you just reply with? Clearly bias clouds your judgement.
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Yes, I don't see where Louis is admitting the batteries were fake
I don't see photos of these batteries so I can't compare with my MBP battery
also Jessa from iPadRehab stating about genuine iPhone OEM screens seized by customs

He asks them to sharpie out the Apple logos on the batteries - the Apple logos that exist only on counterfeit batteries? You clearly haven’t read the Reddit thread properly.

https://i.imgur.com/PLVmNiW.png - wonder why he didn’t give this version of the story in his YouTube video?

In the video, he tried to imply these are good spare batteries from inside actual MacBooks, except it’s all contradicted by his Reddit posts.

If he wants to criticise Apple for making things hard to repair, be my guest and I’m all for right for repair and I’d agree with him. But don’t buy counterfeit batteries from China and feign innocence on YouTube because Apple seized your batteries and you lost your money.

 

[_Kiki_]

What nonsense did you just reply with? Clearly bias clouds your judgement.
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He asked them to sharpie out the Apple logos on the batteries - the Apple logos that exist only on counterfeit batteries? You clearly haven’t read the Reddit thread properly.

So covering original Apple branding is now criminal case?
I don't see he admitting the batteries were fake, covering any logos it's not illegal
If I buy Apple laptop and cover top lid logo by own company sticker, I'm against the law ?

 

[Ma2k5]

So covering original Apple branding is now criminal case?
I don't see he admitting the batteries were fake, covering any logos it's not illegal
If I buy Apple laptop and cover top lid logo by own company sticker, I'm against the law ?

Not even Louis is arguing that the batteries are anything but fake in his post and seems to put it down to either bad luck or someone forgetting to hide the logos for getting caught - but here you are doing it for him. Laughable.

 

[_Kiki_]

Not even Louis is arguing that the batteries are anything but fake in his post and seems to put it down to either bad luck or someone forgetting to hide the logos - but here you are doing it for him. Laughable.

I said, it's not illegal to covering any brands or logos
I bought recently genuine charger on eBay and manufacturer logos were cover by black tape, so looks like standard practice Chinese sellers to cover any brands or logos, they afraid customs because they can lose the money

 

[poldidak]

I've decided the 2018 MBP will be going back to the store this week. I have too many concerns about the Macbook line and Apple at this point to go ahead and keep the machine. I also found I don't like the larger track pad and sharp edges that make typing uncomfortable. (Yes, I know I can always adapt my typing technique to not lean my wrists on the wrist rests!) I could live with the new keyboard feel, so that's not an issue. And I couldn't care less about the Touch Bar. Throttling, T2 crashes, etc. More than I want to take on right. And too bad, since I was looking forward to the huge jump in computing power from my MBA 2012.

Now my dilemma is whether or not to stay with Apple and the MB line, both older and future, or move to another platform. I'm not happy to have reached this place of indecision. I wish I could 100% believe in Apple's future.

 

[ApplePCProTech]

Louis is i idiot. If you haven'r figured it out yet. In fact he doesn't know how to fix Apple Macs, and pretty much has his techs pre-stage and almost like script, tell him what to do on cam hours prior.
I've known him along time now.
He was a Lenovo only guy, until one day someone told him, "you'll make more fixing Apple".
SO now Apple
He hasn't been doing it that long too.
In fact send him a unit for a repair.
Might be lucky if he can even fix it.
About the connector.
The design of that connector for the 2018 and + models was pretty much perfect.
And yes. He doesn't tell you liquid did it.
Maybe location of the connector might be more of an issue rather then design of it.
As Apple is notoriously known for bad water channel directions.
Now.
The current draw is even under rated for the connector according to Molex specs.
And was tested even with over current conditions.
But not a short.
In any laptop, it would be common sense a short can do this.
There were models in the old days from both Sony, Dell, and Lenovo that used the same principle. So the design is nothing new under the sun. GPU to CPU, blah, blah.
Old Crap.

Just another way to make money in his hurting business.
By the way. He is your friend until he's done with you.
And made money off you.

Then off to find more prey.
Like a philosophy for that guy.
I am sure Apple will wait until the timing is right.
And pile up the posts of his defamation of Apple.
His use of Confidential Material in Public Circles, and so on.

Yet in the real world, there are concerns in the Apple repair world. And for all of us.
We should worry about T2 chip security more then this crap.
That's even if Louis knows what a T2 chip is, and what it stands for.
Maybe his boys will tell him before the camera rolls.
In that case with T2.
Forget fixing these.
Unless someone comes up wit a hack.
You won;t be doing any Apple repairs in the near future if Apple has a say in it.
The parts are all Serial ID'd in the T2 Chip.
Want to change a screen? Maybe a keyboard?
If ti don't match the T2 register.
The laptop is in permanent shutdown mode.

Then that leads to another story.
Who would buy these anyways?
I'm not against Apple. And they make me tons of cash for repairs.
And I know some of you like them alot.
But pricing structures don't make these a wise buy at all.
We need to get real here.
You can buy a medium to low end gaming system that can out perform the best Apple MBP.
And the price is 1/3 the Apple. Used even.

Even if you try to match end to end, Apple MBP's CPU, GPU, SSD, Memory, etc in a match.
You won't find Apple on the benchmark charts.
Because they don't build good CPU, to GPU, to Memory designs.
We all know that.
The only way they get around that, is coding, and telling you to buy a specific type of software to support the coding they used.
But not just in coding. They really suck with a few serious design flaws. That are more internal then external parts on a Motherboard.
Even Microsoft has designed the coding special in say in Office.
It's like trying to buy a Apple network with servers for your company.
They just don't make them right.
They use the hype of the iPhone to make MBP's look better.
When they really aren't.
A true computer tech will know this.

Now with new i9 Core laptops all over.
And 8, 10, and 12 Core i7's.

Apple is just coming in the pic for these.
When others had them 3 years ago.

That boils down to another issue.
Apple doesn't make money in the Laptop Business.
It's core business is iPhone, and the App Store.
That is 75% of all sales.
The other 25% is Apple TV, Software, Peripherals, Time Capsule, etc, etc......so on and so on......and finally Laptops.