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Design my Logo..Please......

ecwyatt said:
Honestly I don't know the why there were so many negative posts mocman simply asked for help.

Also for the people complaining about the name whats your deal. Remember the name of a company is not ment to appeal to people who can do similar services, its ment for the consumer. The name should reflect the nature of the company. Digital Memories does this.

"Oh No some one is asking for something free, Let me jump all over them and diss them actually trying to do something" Some of you need to get overselfs. You guys really give Designers a pompus arrogant name. Let me guys you think your designs are sound? you all have a perfect grasp of Design.

It's not uncommon to expect some one might ask for something to be free. Have you ever heard of Pro Bono lawyers do it all the time. Hopefully none of you are approched by a non-profit organization.
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What do you do for a living? Would you think it's fair if one day some one you didn't know called you up and asked you to do it for free? You never see anyone post "come mow my lawn for free" or "my business needs an accountant, can you do it for free?"

Yes, occasionally a lawyer might help a neighbor or friends with some legal forms for free. And yes maybe an plumber friend will come fix a leaky pipe for a couple of beer. But in the real world people get paid for their work

So don't paint anyone as pompous for expecting payment for their skill, particularly when doing it for a business which I imagine charges for their services.

As for non-profits, you can still invoice them and they'll issue you a tax receipt as a donation.
 
What do you do for a living?
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I'm a Graphic and Web Designer / visual artist, you.

Would you think it's fair if one day some one you didn't know called you up and asked you to do it for free?
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Not only do I not have a problem with it but on a regular basis If I like the determination or services a person offers I'll do the work for free. Especially if their serious about what there doing. I've done this for roughly 6 "clients" over the last 10 years resulting in on average 2-3 paying referrals from each one and them in return referring other clients. How long have you been doing this a couple years? 1-2? How many clients do you have? Try networking you'll get more clients and word of mouth traffic.

Let me guess you've never asked for FREE tech support answere maybe a question about your Mac or visited a site to download FREE third party software like a dashboard widget? Some-people are hypocritical they want free stuff all the time but you better pay for a logo.

Yes, occasionally a lawyer might help a neighbor or friends with some legal forms for free. And yes maybe an plumber friend will come fix a leaky pipe for a couple of beer. But in the real world people get paid for their work
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Are you saying Lawyers are not living in the real world? Next time try to not contradict yourself in your own post.
 
ecwyatt said:
Honestly I don't know the why there were so many negative posts mocman simply asked for help.

Also for the people complaining about the name whats your deal. Remember the name of a company is not ment to appeal to people who can do similar services, its ment for the consumer. The name should reflect the nature of the company. Digital Memories does this.

"Oh No some one is asking for something free, Let me jump all over them and diss them actually trying to do something" Some of you need to get overselfs. You guys really give Designers a pompus arrogant name. Let me guys you think your designs are sound? you all have a perfect grasp of Design.

It's not uncommon to expect some one might ask for something to be free. Have you ever heard of Pro Bono lawyers do it all the time. Hopefully none of you are approched by a non-profit organization.
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What's my deal? I'm just trying to give mocman an honest opinion. He asked for a logo that really caught people's attention, and I thought that his energies might be better spent coming up with truly eye-catching name. I'm not trying to make mocman feel bad- I sincerely hope his business succeeds. If he wants to stick with Digital Memories that's cool; they're many worse names.

As we all know, these forums are places we go for unique viewpoints. When I have a crappy idea, I can't always rely on friends or coworkers to be honest with me, but I always know that some jerk is going to rip that idea to shreds in a forum. Even though I might get annoyed, usually I appreciate the honesty (though it doesn't mean that guy is any less of a jerk).

So to clarify, I love everyone is this forum and wish we just could have one big group hug right now.
 
ecwyatt said:
Not only do I not have a problem with it but on a regular basis If I like the determination or services a person offers I'll do the work for free. Especially if their serious about what there doing. I've done this for roughly 6 "clients" over the last 10 years resulting in on average 2-3 paying referrals from each one and them in return referring other clients. How long have you been doing this a couple years? 1-2? How many clients do you have? Try networking you'll get more clients and word of mouth traffic.
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Alright then, if you enjoy doing work for free that's your business, but your in the minority. As stated before, this guy wants a logo for his business, his services aren't free, neither are mine nor the majority of other designers out there.

But hey, designers are a dime-a-doze now a days and you gotta do what you need to get buy I guess, if taking an occasional free job does it for you so be it. Next time you fill up you car with gas why not tell the guy that instead of you paying for the gas you'll refer 2-3 friends that will? :rolleyes:
 
As we all know, these forums are places we go for unique viewpoints. When I have a crappy idea, I can't always rely on friends or coworkers to be honest with me, but I always know that some jerk is going to rip that idea to shreds in a forum. Even though I might get annoyed, usually I appreciate the honesty (though it doesn't mean that guy is any less of a jerk).
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One of the best posts here, ever.
 
I have occasionally done work for free. For registered charities and for friends (particularly wedding invitations)... not individuals or small groups involved in commercial activities.

To me, there's a clear line between the two.
 
Blue Velvet said:
I have occasionally done work for free. For registered charities and for friends (particularly wedding invitations)... not individuals or small groups involved in commercial activities.

To me, there's a clear line between the two.
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Same here. A simply and polite no is all that's needed. I have been asked to do work for free or at stupid prices for profit companies. I will be polite and say no. On a number of occasions I have had the very same people come back willing to paid what it's worth. Some people want everything for nothing, I don't want their business. Others don't know the value of good design at first. They will pay next to nothing to get something done then realize they made a big mistake. We all make that mistake from time to time.



 
WOW this is getting a little ridiculous.
First off I just wanted some direction in the logo department and figured since I come to macrumors is was a no brainer. I never stated that I was a logo designer. All I expected were a few ideas to point me in the right direction. I am not beyond asking for a little help when needed.
Second alot of people seem to be bashing the name of my business the key word is MY! I could care less on what anyone thinks about my name. Who would have thought google was a great name.
It seems that alot of you people just get on here and seem to bash everyone that you reply too.
Thanks again for all you guys that helped me out..................MC

AND WHO STATED THIS WAS TO BE FREE? I STILL HAVE NOT FOUND THAT WORDING?????
 
ecwyatt said:
Honestly I don't know the why there were so many negative posts mocman simply asked for help.

Also for the people complaining about the name whats your deal. Remember the name of a company is not ment to appeal to people who can do similar services, its ment for the consumer. The name should reflect the nature of the company. Digital Memories does this.

"Oh No some one is asking for something free, Let me jump all over them and diss them actually trying to do something" Some of you need to get overselfs. You guys really give Designers a pompus arrogant name. Let me guys you think your designs are sound? you all have a perfect grasp of Design.

It's not uncommon to expect some one might ask for something to be free. Have you ever heard of Pro Bono lawyers do it all the time. Hopefully none of you are approched by a non-profit organization.
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Not starting any issues here but I have to say I entirely agree with dornoforpyros.

I face this issue a LOT as a composer. The problem is this: People expect you to work for free. I don't mind working if there is something in it for me...but to be expected to work for love alone is taking the biscuit if you ask me.

If everybody worked for free, the only result is that nobody gets paid - everybody under-cuts everybody else...what a result! We all go bankrupt. Creativity demands recompension - and if you don't like it, don't ask.

I decided a long time ago to always ask for demo fees - and get something for me. Why? When you're several rungs up the ladder and clients demand that you work for free, you're going to wonder why on earth you went into the business in the first place. Not to mention the professional societies that aren't going to welcome you with open arms when they learn you've been undercutting the entire industry.
 
If I had more free time, I might see what I come up with...

Here's a some of my stuff:
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I have a few ideas. If the above look like something (style wise) you might like, let me know.

But summer reading for AP blows.
 
I don't want to beat this post to death but I found this amusing (I not tying to give mocman a hard time). It's not just small start up companies on shoestring budgets that looks for deals. About a year ago myself and a partner of mine got approached by a Fortune 500 company (over 50 billion in assets), they wanted us to design a logo for a new large international company/division. They said that they wanted us plus a few other design firms to compete to see who could come up with the best logo. No one was going to get paid for this, not even the winner. The winner had a promise of some future work (suuurrre, I've heard that one before). At one point in the pitch they reminded us they were just a "start up company". After laughing about this for a very very long time we told them where to go.



 
mocman said:
Second alot of people seem to be bashing the name of my business the key word is MY! I could care less on what anyone thinks about my name.
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unless you plan on being your only customer you should care very much what people think of your company's name.

and since i can not think of any way to say this in a nice way, and i really am not trying to be rude or disrespectful of anyone, but i will just say it: the kind of work shown in this thread is not approaching being competition for those of us who are professional designers. in fact, i think its good that there is so much enthusiasm for helping out the original poster, because as design gets more and more popular and is in the mindset of everyday people as something that is good, then the more value is placed on truly exceptional design. people get very scared of the whole DIY movement but it does not bother me in the least. i think its helps those of us who are professionals and not strugging to do $100 letterheads for our friend's mothers, etc. Like ATD alluded to, real design work costs real money, and the kind of client that does not want to pay is not a client you want. my experience has always been that the less the client pays the more of a pain in the *ss the client is.

and "pro bono" does not mean "free." pro bono means "for the common good". so something you do free for a friend is not "pro bono" its just you not getting paid for your time. doing soemthing for a charity, for a public organization, etc... is pro bono.
 
shecky said:
the kind of work shown in this thread is not approaching being competition for those of us who are professional designers.
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and how...I'm not Pablo Picasso or Tibor Kalman (not even close), but this stuff isn't too good...
 
ECWYATT......That will be fine in Illustrator format as I have that and photoshop..THANKS
 
beatsme said:
and how...I'm not Pablo Picasso or Tibor Kalman (not even close), but this stuff isn't too good...
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You're just jealous because you didn't think of brains playing bandageball first. :D
 
iMeowbot said:
You're just jealous because you didn't think of brains playing bandageball first. :D
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I was quite jealous myself, I didn't post anything because how can you top brains playing bandageball. ;)



 
sebisworld said:
Hey, how do you like this one. Took me quite a while to do, but I really do like the look of it. It's be cool if you could link to my page, cuz I'm thinking about starting a logo design business.
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You're going to start a logo design business using Microsoft's WordArt? :eek:
 
Great thread!

As a designer or in any trade, people are asking you for free work or trade. I think it's pretty funny sometimes though what they expect.

You get what you pay for.
Nike paid 30 bucks for their logo. :D
 
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