Other "DEX" for iPhone - want it?

[LovingTeddy]

Using once and using never are exactly the same. You know only if you’ve used it for an extended period. This is the same thing as touch screen laptops. In theory it sounds good but actually using a touch screen laptop where you have to lift your arm every time to navigate around the UI is a nightmare in terms of usability. You won’t know that until you use it regularly.

I have been using Windows tablet (Surface). It has been great, Windows is more versatile than iOS ever been. Coupled with keyboard case, it is great.

Yes, if keyboard and mice support is the thing with iPad OS, then you won’t need lift your finger anymore.
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This is t a knock against you so hopefully you don’t take it that way.

Apple isn’t working the iPad backwards into a desktop paradigm. It is explicitly a mobile focused UI and UX. There may be overlap but there will never be a day where you’re going to have a desktop interaction with the iPad.


It’s a fundamentally forward facing paradigm.

Quite honestly, iPad Pro for true efficient multitasking sucks.

It will never beats my PC with 3 monitors and multiple floating Windows. It this why you see Apple doing SideCard and extending iPad as a display.

We are not facing fundamentally forward facing paradigm. It is stupid and efficient.

 

[NT1440]

I have been using Windows tablet (Surface). It has been great, Windows is more versatile than iOS ever been. Coupled with keyboard case, it is great.

Yes, if keyboard and mice support is the thing with iPad OS, then you won’t need lift your finger anymore.
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Quite honestly, iPad Pro for true efficient multitasking sucks.

It will never beats my PC with 3 monitors and multiple floating Windows. It this why you see Apple doing SideCard and extending iPad as a display.

We are not facing fundamentally forward facing paradigm. It is stupid and efficient.

Your 3 monitor setup is the exact opposite of a mobile-first paradigm.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Your 3 monitor setup is the exact opposite of a mobile-first paradigm.

Yes. But it works. This extending to mobile devices. I can literally using my Windows tablet for all of this. If I need to attending conference or using other office, I can literally dock my Windows tablet with other monitor and run all necessary application.

Or I can dock my Android phone and attach to a monitor and using multiple application at same times.

Apple’s implementation of multitasking is so limited and they should feel shameful for not using full potential of A serial chip. I mean the brag about how powerful A12 chip is, then why not let us multitasking and run several app at same time like we always did.

 

[Infinite Vortex]

I think in terms of strategy it’s better to cater for a higher profitable sector to make more on per unit rather than try to sell volumes because a local android manufacturer will always tip an external company. Hardware business in itself is really not that profitable anymore. That’s why software and services is what apple is focussing on at present.

I don't believe we'll see this from Apple until 1) Project Catalyst is more developed and mature and 2) Apple have released computer based on ARM processors. At which point the Mac will make way for iPadOS and will be consumed by it rather than the other way around. Once that's happened you have a tablet that is both a tablet and a desktop platform… Apple's implementation of DEX. The next step would be to bring iOS into that which is already easy given its don't for the iPad.

 

[Mathias Denichi]

Until hologram projection or iPhone to AR glasses is a thing, an Apple based version of DEX is the closest thing to only needing one device.

 

[ab2c4]

I would definitely want one.

 

[majkom]

Using once and using never are exactly the same. You know only if you’ve used it for an extended period. This is the same thing as touch screen laptops. In theory it sounds good but actually using a touch screen laptop where you have to lift your arm every time to navigate around the UI is a nightmare in terms of usability. You won’t know that until you use it regularly.

You are describing ipad with keyboard and yet apple fanboys say it is the best ever personal computer

 

[akash.nu]

You are describing ipad with keyboard and yet apple fanboys say it is the best ever personal computer

Yes, iPad with keyboard essentially has exactly the same issue. Touch screen is just not a desktop setup, no matter the device in use. Yes, occasional use is ok to some extent, and I’ve done that myself but prolonged usage as a primary device, nope

By the way keyboard shortcuts help massively in such setup.

 

[FFR]

But developing countries don’t really bring in that much profit from hardware sales. This is one of the reasons why apple has failed in India and China. The requirements for these countries are really based on affordable hardware which is not what apple caters for.

I think in terms of strategy it’s better to cater for a higher profitable sector to make more on per unit rather than try to sell volumes because a local android manufacturer will always tip an external company. Hardware business in itself is really not that profitable anymore. That’s why software and services is what apple is focussing on at present.

Your quite right.
It would be cheaper to buy a used laptop and a cheap phone versus a 1000 dollar phone and a monitor and a keyboard and mouse.

It’s great in theory but doesn’t make much sense in practice.


Don’t know why you think apple is loosing in China. Apples price point is rather high especially in China but apple owns that market.

 

[akash.nu]

Don’t know why you think apple is loosing in China. Apples price point is rather high especially in China but apple owns that market.

Got my info from a few news outlets.

https://www.cultofmac.com/221696/why-apples-china-disaster-is-worse-than-you-think/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/06/apple-woo-china-not-in-california-iphone

https://www.ft.com/content/6ff71730-0f16-11e9-a3aa-118c761d2745

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...-xs-xr-x-china-sales-massive-problem-mistake/

 

[cardfan]

But developing countries don’t really bring in that much profit from hardware sales. This is one of the reasons why apple has failed in India and China. The requirements for these countries are really based on affordable hardware which is not what apple caters for.

I think in terms of strategy it’s better to cater for a higher profitable sector to make more on per unit rather than try to sell volumes because a local android manufacturer will always tip an external company. Hardware business in itself is really not that profitable anymore. That’s why software and services is what apple is focussing on at present.

Keep telling yourself this. Apple is a hardware company. As hardware sales fall so will services.

While trying to add services is fine the real need is more diverse hardware which in turn can create new services.

 

[FFR]

Got my info from a few news outlets.

https://www.cultofmac.com/221696/why-apples-china-disaster-is-worse-than-you-think/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/06/apple-woo-china-not-in-california-iphone

https://www.ft.com/content/6ff71730-0f16-11e9-a3aa-118c761d2745

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...-xs-xr-x-china-sales-massive-problem-mistake/

Here is a breakdown of the same time period as the article you posted. The data proves different.

iPhones are just much more expensive in China the xr sells for over 900 dollars there that was after the reduction in price.

Even Huawei can’t compete with the iPhone at its price points in China.

 

[majkom]

Interesting results so far

 

[I7guy]

Can’t see a use case. If I truly need that type of mobile connectivity I’ll take the surface along with hotspot.

 

[ÁLEXJOK]

Usually when there's a keyboard and a mouse there's also a computer. In that case, it's way better than using your phone. That's why it is gimmick. People will vote for it because it seems cool and futuristic, but we've seen enough of that in the phone industry.

 

[iPhone2019]

Samsung has Dex, and Google will soon have its own version of it. What's holding Apple back? Fewer sales of Mac products?

 

[Diorama]

Usually when there's a keyboard and a mouse there's also a computer. In that case, it's way better than using your phone. That's why it is gimmick. People will vote for it because it seems cool and futuristic, but we've seen enough of that in the phone industry.

You could say the same about Mac Mini though.

I know why Apple will never do it, but we have reached the point where my iPhone 16 PM is going to be more powerful than my M1 Air by most metrics, and I use that to run Abobe InDesign and Safari at the same time as a Zoom call. I understand sustained power re thermals/wattage isn’t the same, but the horsepower is there to be able to plug an iPhone into a dock and run full MacOS.

 

[ab2c4]

Samsung has Dex, and Google will soon have its own version of it. What's holding Apple back? Fewer sales of Mac products?

Probably cut into MAC and Ipad sales. That would be good for the environment but bad for Apple profits. I would really really really like to have a docking station for my iphone and be able to use it as a desktop computer while at home.

 

[iPhone2019]

I wonder if Apple would allow us to use its version of Dex with any display or only their displays. What do you guys think?

 

[maerz001]

I wonder if Apple would allow us to use its version of Dex with any display or only their displays. What do you guys think?

With no display at all. Thats why it doesn’t exist

 

[840quadra]

It boggles belief that Apple doesn't have support for such a feature yet. Consider the fact that the 16 Pro (and 15 Pro) are effectively on par with the MacBook Pro M1!



Why the hell can't (when connected to a monitor) an iPhone support basic iPad OS features such as side-by-side, stage manager, etc. OR, why can't we run a reduced version of MacOS when connected to such devices?

Apple it is a special use case, Not many will do this over buying a Mac mini, iPad, or MacBook Pro. TRUST ME, it will NOT kill much of your profits! BUT your ""PRO"" users will actually love you for it!

Hell, my Pixel 8 pro with a WEAK Tensor G3 processor will support Side-by-side, and somewhat true multitasking with or without a display connected. The limitations in iOS are frustrating and actually tick me off as an Apple fan.

They keep touting how advanced the processor is on the phone (I know, I use the heck out of it for 4K editing and batch photo processing), yet we really can't tap into it!

 

[WarmWinterHat]

I have never met anyone is my life that uses Dex, and I just asked several people physically close to me, at work, that have Samsungs, and not a one even knew what Dex was. No one cared, either.

Personally, I like to keep my mobile and computer life septette, more or less.

 

[840quadra]

I have never met anyone is my life that uses Dex, and I just asked several people physically close to me, at work, that have Samsungs, and not a one even knew what Dex was. No one cared, either.

Personally, I like to keep my mobile and computer life septette, more or less.

Effectively bolsters my viewpoint.

Likely will not impact sales or profits from Apple, and true "Pro" users will greatly appreciate it.

There are plenty of MR members in the Alternatives to iOS section that use Dex, and like it a lot. In my professional workgroup, we have quite a few that use it regularly, especially for travel and during travel when called to work.

There are plenty of features in iOS that very few use, but are really nice to have for those in the know.