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When the iMac and the MacBooks both have the same M1 and are, therefore, the same computer under the hood, that point becomes completely moot when you can turn a MacBook into a desktop by adding an external display. Like, it's the same computer, so you can pay the same price for that computer and a monitor with a keyboard and mouse that you would for that iMac. So, unless your desktop HAS to not be able to be portable, I fail to see where this argument means anything.
But why would you want to? Then you'd have a cluttered desk with a MacBook either on or under it and more wire. You're good at making arguments against the low end iMac but some people just want a clutter-free/simple/wireless/big-screened desktop Mac without the bells and whistles, and want the cheapest one available.

One more point; many houses/condos/apartments/offices aren't wired for ethernet. In that case there's no use for ethernet in the computer. Why pay extra for it?
 
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I don’t know about in the US, but there are frequent reductions on the base model Mac Mini M1 here in the UK. I managed to pick my 8 GB/256 GB model up from Amazon UK for just £550. That’s an eye-watering £700 less than the base model iMac, which includes one less GPU core and fewer ports.

To get the equivalent spec mid-range iMac, it’s a staggering £900 extra. I don’t care how good that 24 inch screen is, that’s an absurd price difference.
 
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9 more days for the blue BASE M1 iMac to arrive!

Options I ordered on the BASE iMac:
  • Full sized keyboard with numeric keypad is important for me. $50 extra.
  • Wired Ethernet is very important (1GBps on Cisco switch tied into a 10GBps backbone to the ISP). $30 extra.
  • Pro Apps Bundle for $199.
 
To get the equivalent spec mid-range iMac, it’s a staggering £900 extra. I don’t care how good that 24 inch screen is, that’s an absurd price difference.
You know what else is absurd? Comparing a Mac mini that's on sale with an iMac that's not even available yet in stores. Compare in an honest way: compare the 1249 GBP iMac to the 699 GBP Mac mini. The honest comparison shows us a price difference of 550 GBP.

For that 550 extra, you get:
- one less graphics core
- a 24" 4.5K Retina display
- speakers
- a 1080p webcam and mics
- keyboard with Touch ID
- mouse

Good luck finding that for 550 GBP.
 
Other than ensuring that Apple has a 24" M1-based iMac at every 21.5" Retina 4K Intel iMac's price point, the 2-port/7 GPU Core model of the 2021 M1 24" 4.5K iMac perplexes me. For $200 more, you get a Gigabit Ethernet port, two non-Thunderbolt USB-C ports built-in, an additional GPU core, and Touch ID, all of which seem like things you'd want on an iMac. I can see justification for not needing the extra GPU core. Certainly it's a harder sell to go for the 8 GPU Core version of the M1 on a MacBook Air, but it's also a much cheaper upgrade that doesn't bring with it everything that the 8-core GPU options on the iMac does over the 7-core GPU iMac. In this case, the $200 difference definitely delivers things that the vast majority of users will either want or find useful.

That being said, did anyone go for the 2-port/7-core GPU model of 24" M1 iMac? If so, what steered you toward that iMac over a 4-port/8-core GPU model instead? Curious.
I think what Apple is especially good at, and which continues to perplex and frustrate the more tech-savvy crowd, is that they know their target market very well, and so design their products with a conscious goal of not over-serving this target market. They include what they believe this select group of users will require, nothing more or less, and if they need more features, there is always the option of paying extra for it.

For example, we see this with the stock podcasts app. Yes, you may eschew it in favour of third party apps like Overcast because you want to wring every last bit of functionality out of your devices (I finished my podcast 5 minutes faster than you did! I am a "power user!!!", but for many regular people, Apple's default apps are simply good enough. There is a certain liberating sensation when you realise that in accepting that some of these stock apps provide the core functionality one needs, the less you find your mind wandering towards exploring an endless array of options and falling into a rabbit hole of tweaking workflows and deluding oneself into thinking that it’s helping in some way.

Faux productivity, they call it. The best way to ensure that you’re focusing on the right things is to stop focusing on everything else. Understanding what works, and getting comfortable with certain trade-offs that would have been deal breakers in the past can be a positive step forward that one wouldn’t have expected.

I guess the closest analogy I can come up with is upsizing your meal at McDonald's. Sure, that extra fries and larger coke might seem like a steal for the extra few cents you pay, but only if you have the appetite for all that additional food. Maybe you just want to control your diet, or maybe you are a small eater, and the normal sized meal is just right for you, then there's no point upsizing if it just means that all that extra food is just going to go to waste at the end of the day.

Rather than criticise the base iMac for supposedly being a bad deal, let's take a look at what we do get out of it. It's still a pretty display, and the allure of the iMac has always been its all-in-one integrated nature that makes it extremely easy to set up and store.

You may not need ethernet (I have never plugged anything into the ethernet port of my iMac), while touch-ID is nice but not necessarily a deal breaker (how does it work with multiple family members and different login accounts, does anyone know?). 4 ports may be better than 2, but only when you know you will need more than 2 of them. Maybe you already plan to use a hub. Maybe you don't plan to be plugging in that much stuff into your iMac.

If I don't think I am getting more of what I want for that extra money, may as well save the money, even if spending that extra $200 isn't going to break the bank for me. Or as mentioned, that money could have gone towards buying more ram or storage, all other things equal.

Why not just get a cheaper Mac mini + monitor? A good 4k display isn't really all that cheap, and perhaps the family just prefers the ease of setting up plus the lesser cable clutter. I agree that with both the Mac mini and the iMac now sharing the same processor, it's one less reason to opt for the iMac (it previously used to be the only viable Mac desktop with a discrete graphics card), but that doesn't mean there aren't compelling reasons to choose an iMac.

I wouldn't go with the base model iMac either, but I can totally see a market for it.
 
You still aren't understanding a very simple point.

Read your original question. "Did anyone answer the 2-port/7 GPU Core version of 2021 M1 iMac? If so, why?"

The answer is yes, some people have, and they have given their reasons why.

Your continued insistence in answering people basically saying "wrong" is bizarre to say the least.

You asked the question, and people have answered. There is no wrong or right to this. You seem to be expecting answers to a completely different question.
 
But why would you want to? Then you'd have a cluttered desk with a MacBook either on or under it and more wire. You're good at making arguments against the low end iMac but some people just want a clutter-free/simple/wireless/big-screened desktop Mac without the bells and whistles, and want the cheapest one available.

Actually, for those that gave that response, I didn't contest or argue with it. It's when people tell me that it's a cost-effective option that I argue with it because it inherently isn't. If you want to tell me that's the Mac you wanted to buy, I won't argue with it. If you want to tell me that you explicitly want a new iMac but really don't care about what you're losing, that's cool too. Telling me that it's a cost-effective machine like literally every other M1 Mac isn't a better bang for buck proposition is where I will argue and debate. Telling me that WiFi 6 obsoletes Gigabit Ethernet is where I'll argue and debate.
One more point; many houses/condos/apartments/offices aren't wired for ethernet. In that case there's no use for ethernet in the computer. Why pay extra for it?

Most offices are wired for Ethernet. I know this because working in them and doing IT (when there isn't a pandemic) is kind of my bread and butter. Houses, condos, and apartments, I'll grant you. However, it's not hard to run a cable. If you want to tell me that you don't want to run a cable, then that's cool and something I really won't ever argue with. But when you tell me that's too hard or too much work, I'll contest it because it's not.

You still aren't understanding a very simple point.

Read your original question. "Did anyone answer the 2-port/7 GPU Core version of 2021 M1 iMac? If so, why?"

The answer is yes, some people have, and they have given their reasons why.

Your continued insistence in answering people basically saying "wrong" is bizarre to say the least.

You asked the question, and people have answered. There is no wrong or right to this. You seem to be expecting answers to a completely different question.

You clearly didn't read a single word of my last reply to your previous comment. My question was to ask what preferences led people to this machine. I'm only arguing with asinine statements stating that ports aren't necessary on desktops, that WiFi 6 obsoletes Gigabit Ethernet, that I can spend some of what I save by going with a cheaper iMac to get a dongle to offset the drawbacks of going with said cheaper iMac, and that said cheaper iMac is a cost-effective M1 Mac. I'm not arguing with people that wanted to buy an iMac, but could only afford this one. I'm not arguing with people that don't care about the extra features that they miss out on (though, I totally am arguing with the notion that they're universally needless). Or is the nuance that separates those two completely lost on you?
 
You clearly didn't read a single word of my last reply to your previous comment. My question was to ask what preferences led people to this machine. I'm only arguing with asinine statements stating that ports aren't necessary on desktops, that WiFi 6 obsoletes Gigabit Ethernet, that I can spend some of what I save by going with a cheaper iMac to get a dongle to offset the drawbacks of going with said cheaper iMac, and that said cheaper iMac is a cost-effective M1 Mac. I'm not arguing with people that wanted to buy an iMac, but could only afford this one. I'm not arguing with people that don't care about the extra features that they miss out on (though, I totally am arguing with the notion that they're universally needless). Or is the nuance that separates those two completely lost on you?
I have read your replies. They just don't make any sense.

You suggested that the MacBook Pro is a better option than the iMac as an example. I am saying that many people just want a desktop. They don't want to mess about with buying a separate monitor and stringing cables from their MacBook (or mini for example).

That is an answer to your original question.

The fact that you won't accept that as a legitimate preference means that you will never understand the answer to your original question. You seem incapanble of looking at this from anyones perspective but your own.

Therefore you may as well have saved us the effort and not bothered with the original question.

Anyway, that's my last word on the subject. We clearly aren't going to get anywhere with this.
 
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People buying the base model as that's their budget, they don't want to spend more or cannot afford the extra $200.

Same reason why people still keep using Intel Macs that are not supported by macOS BigSur or are using PowerPC Macs.

When the larger than 27" iMac with Apple Silicon will come out I may opt for the base model as well as this iMac 24" base model is already 150% faster than my 2012 iMac 27" Core i7.

As for I/O & FaceID not everyone needs it. Apple probably based their SKUs on the use behavior of end users for the past decade or so.

If you need more than that then buy the more expensive SKU.

My desired I/O for any Mac with Apple Silicon that could be placed on the body or charger/PSU
  • 3.5mm headphone
  • CompactFlash or CFexpress card slot (I use these devices)
  • At least two 10Gbps USB-A/USB3 ports
  • At least two 40Gbps USB-C/USB4/TB4 ports
  • At least a 1Gb Ethernet port or faster
  • HDMI 2.1 port for Mac notebooks and/or DisplayPort 2.0 for Mac desktops.
By 2030s I may want to have different I/O like
  • 3.5mm headphone
  • CFexpress card slot (I use this devices)
  • At least four 40Gbps or faster USB-C/TB ports
  • At least a 10Gb Ethernet port or faster
  • HDMI newer than 2.1 port for Mac notebooks and/or DisplayPort newer than 2.0 for Mac desktops.
 
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The only actual not upgradeable difference is the 2 USB ports. If you don't plan to connect a lot of stuff it's fine. If you don't want a wireless printer, don't want wireless mouse/keyboard, want to have connected a lot of things all the time, maybe you need 2 more ports. But any usb hub is fine too, and cheaper, so....
 
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My mom uses an iPad all day. She has no need for ports. If i upgraded her Mac, the base model would make the most sense.
  1. 2 extra USB ports doesn't matter much if you're still gonna need a hub anyway. Or if you aren't using those ports at all to begin with.
  2. 8 core GPU - mostly meaningless upgrade.
  3. Ethernet not needed to stream videos or web surf. Can just plug something into the USB port if really needed.
  4. Touch ID ... pretty nice. But not required.
On principle, the base model is always the best value if you can get away with it. Apple tries to get you by making sure there's just a few more things out of reach that you'll really want/need to round out your experience.

Now if this iMac had more longevity or flexibility I might think about it differently or try to future proof a bit. But it's basically a big iPad running macOS now. Can't even go past 16GB RAM. Feels more disposable / single use case.
 
My mom uses an iPad all day. She has no need for ports. If i upgraded her Mac, the base model would make the most sense.
  1. 2 extra USB ports doesn't matter much if you're still gonna need a hub anyway. Or if you aren't using those ports at all to begin with.
  2. 8 core GPU - mostly meaningless upgrade.
  3. Ethernet not needed to stream videos or web surf. Can just plug something into the USB port if really needed.
  4. Touch ID ... pretty nice. But not required.
On principle, the base model is always the best value if you can get away with it. Apple tries to get you by making sure there's just a few more things out of reach that you'll really want/need to round out your experience.

Now if this iMac had more longevity or flexibility I might think about it differently or try to future proof a bit. But it's basically a big iPad running macOS now. Can't even go past 16GB RAM. Feels more disposable / single use case.
Different use case has people replacing their computers
  • tax write off based on GAAP, so buy a new computer or else you give govt more taxes
  • use case changes, I need a Mac with more than 16GB XYZ years from now because I use ABC app that needs it
  • macOS Software or Security Update support, it ends generally by its 10th year
  • not economical to repair further, it's cheaper to sell for scrap then buy new.
  • credit card points, i spent so much that I can buy a Mac every year
For iPhones I use tax write offs as a reason to upgrade every 24 months on my telco's contract

For Macs and iPads I upgrade to the next model after iOS & macOS support stops.

For Apple Watch I upgrade based on watchOS support and new Health features like the build-in blood pressure monitor & blood sugar monitor. I bought Series 4 for ECG.

For Apple AirPods... my guess is the built-in batteries won't be economical to replace

When I replace it I tend to go with the base model unless I need more memory or storage. Whatever top-end BTO Mac you buy in 2021 will be magnitudes slower than any 2031 Mac.

What I am concerned about is Apple's pace of bumping up memory and storage of the base model is pathetically slow.

For me all Macs with Apple Silicon should have a default 16GB memory & 512GB storage
 
I mean your questioning why people would want this computer, then arguing when people try to tell you.
Yes, agree - why would you argue with those that want to purchase the base unit ?

I love my M1 Mini base with 8GB because it runs circles around any Intel Mac so far!

I also ordered the M1 iMac base because I know how good the M1 SOC performs with even 8GB of Unified Memory. Can NOT compare to the Intel Macs w/ DDR RAM.

"Apples (M1) to Oranges (Intel)"
 
Got the base model with a touchID keyboard. I don't do video or graphics work, I can't think of a situation in which I would need to plug in two peripherals, let alone four. I'm going to be using it mainly for academic work (writing and reading pdfs), and just browsing and video watching.
Before COVID-19 I was really active in doing wildlife photography but I only plugged in my
  1. CompactFlash or CFexpress card reader
  2. External 8TB SSD
  3. All-in-one printers that had Apple AirPrint
  4. USB keyboard & mouse that had Magic Keyboard/Mouse equivalent
  5. USB flash drive
  6. iPhone/iPad that can be synced via WiFi
But I mentioned above there are ways to connect via WiFi/Bluetooth and through the cloud

So for say >80% of globally shipped iMacs with just two USB-C/USB4/TB4 ports is exactly what their buyers need.

For <20% of globally shipped iMacs then go with the more expensive option with more I/O.

If you look at CIPA numbers the shipped units for digital still cameras are nearing their year 1999 numbers. Not that many consumers have devices with memory cards anymore as their smartphone's >64GB built-in memory + the cloud are sufficient
 
Before COVID-19 I was really active in doing wildlife photography but I only plugged in my
  1. CompactFlash or CFexpress card reader
  2. External 8TB SSD
  3. All-in-one printers that had Apple AirPrint
  4. USB keyboard & mouse that had Magic Keyboard/Mouse equivalent
  5. USB flash drive
  6. iPhone/iPad that can be synced via WiFi
But I mentioned above there are ways to connect via WiFi/Bluetooth and through the cloud

So for say >80% of globally shipped iMacs with just two USB-C/USB4/TB4 ports is exactly what their buyers need.

For <20% of globally shipped iMacs then go with the more expensive option with more I/O.

If you look at CIPA numbers the shipped units for digital still cameras are nearing their year 1999 numbers. Not that many consumers have devices with memory cards anymore as their smartphone's >64GB built-in memory + the cloud are sufficient
My how times have changed - the need for ports have literally disappeared.

I have a cheap Canon cropped frame DSLR that has BT direct to my Mac - no more taking CF/SD cards in/out of the camera...

All my storage is on the network (NAS) and cloud Google Drive (unlimited).

Printers, copiers and scanner are all on wired or wireless network (home & work).

With 2 ports on my base iMac, I will have a second display and a USB-C dongle for USB-C thumb drives & external storage as well as USB-A ports (SuperDrive, DAC sound)
 
My how times have changed - the need for ports have literally disappeared.

I have a cheap Canon cropped frame DSLR that has BT direct to my Mac - no more taking CF/SD cards in/out of the camera...

All my storage is on the network (NAS) and cloud Google Drive (unlimited).

Printers, copiers and scanner are all on wired or wireless network (home & work).

With 2 ports on my base iMac, I will have a second display and a USB-C dongle for USB-C thumb drives & external storage as well as USB-A ports (SuperDrive, DAC sound)
I completely agree with you.

When Firewire 800 was removed from Macs a customer emailed Steve Jobs as to why and he answered that new HD cameras that sold a few years before October 2008 are using USB2.

But the removal was slow going and was done in phases rather than abruptly like what occurred on 2016 Mac notebooks.

What I'd love to have happened back in 2016 would be an update to 2015 I/O
  • 3.5mm headphone
  • CompactFlash or CFexpress card slot (I use these devices)
  • At least one 10Gbps USB-A/USB3 ports ideally on left & right side
  • At least one 40Gbps USB-C/USB4/TB4 ports ideally on left & right side
  • An Ethernet port & HDMI port on the MagSafe 3 charger
Doing the above would have satisfied most users except for people who insist on a FW 800 port in 2016-onwards
 
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I have read your replies. They just don't make any sense.

That doesn't make any sense. I've literally spelled out the kinds of things I'm debating (asinine statements about how there's categorically zero need for a given feature, about how something is an unobjectively better value when it very much isn't) versus the things I'm not debating (any personal preference) several times over.


You suggested that the MacBook Pro is a better option than the iMac as an example. I am saying that many people just want a desktop. They don't want to mess about with buying a separate monitor and stringing cables from their MacBook (or mini for example).

That is an answer to your original question.

And that, in and of itself is a valid answer that I won't and have not contested.


The fact that you won't accept that as a legitimate preference means that you will never understand the answer to your original question. You seem incapanble of looking at this from anyones perspective but your own.

Ironically, I'm only arguing with perspectives that ignore the fact that there are others. Clearly, there are perspectives other than my own, otherwise I wouldn't be asking to hear what those are!


Therefore you may as well have saved us the effort and not bothered with the original question.

Anyway, that's my last word on the subject. We clearly aren't going to get anywhere with this.

Certainly not while you fail to comprehend what it is that I'm saying. Good on you for at least reading, but that's only half the battle.


I mean your questioning why people would want this computer, then arguing when people try to tell you.

Nope. I'm arguing with sweeping categorical statements and viewpoints.

An example of something I'd argue with: "I don't see how anyone could need more than two ports on a desktop"

An example of something I'm expressly NOT arguing with: "I don't have a need for more than two ports on a desktop"

If you can't tell that difference apart nor the difference in my actual reaction to those types of things, then I really don't know what to tell you.


Yes, agree - why would you argue with those that want to purchase the base unit ?

I'm not arguing with people who want to purchase the base model. There are plenty of valid reasons to want to buy the base model. However, some of the reasons provided here lack a degree of logic. I'll happily accept personal preference. There are many people here in this thread saying that it was their personal preference to go with the 2-port iMac and I'm not disputing their reasoning for doing so. But when people try to make claims that don't actually make any sense as a justification, I'm gonna call that out. Saying it's more cost-effective all around is an example (because it's literally the least cost-effective M1 Mac Apple sells) is a perfect example of this. However, saying that it's more cost effective for your particular needs (given that you need an iMac, but not any of the features that are standard on the 4-port model) is not something I have any argument for.


I also ordered the M1 iMac base because I know how good the M1 SOC performs with even 8GB of Unified Memory. Can NOT compare to the Intel Macs w/ DDR RAM.

"Apples (M1) to Oranges (Intel)"
The above is a fantastic example of something I'll debate with because it demonstrates that you have no idea how memory works and what it is that makes memory on an Apple Silicon Mac different from how it works on an Intel Mac and how little that has to do with actual RAM capacity.

If you merely said "8GB is plenty for my use case", I wouldn't debate that. There's literally nothing to debate about that.

But, instead, you cited something that sounds vaguely technical with a clear lack of understanding of how the concept you're talking about even works.

I don't care if you want to buy something that I wouldn't. That's totally cool! But don't give me sweeping statements that are as narrowminded as you all are accusing me of being here that incidentally prove that you don't know what you're talking about.
 
this is my first post and hope I get a answer on this great forum

I have a iPad Pro 12.9 2nd gen and for my media consumption , watching YouTube, streaming Plex content, IPTV, internet browsing that's all I do but now is the right time to go for a bigger screen and the new 24 inch iMac is a great opportunity .
Now, never had a MacOS laptop or desktop and yesterday got a new MacBook pro M1 and love the operating system, yes very different from iPadOS but 13,3 inch is small so no gain for me there( yes the MacBook will be returned, just trying the macOS for a week or so )
my question is should go for the base model 8g memory/256 gb or for more ram ?
Also do I need that extra GPU core ?
not interested on Touch ID, ethernet extra ports


thank you
Arian
 
this is my first post and hope I get a answer on this great forum

I have a iPad Pro 12.9 2nd gen and for my media consumption , watching YouTube, streaming Plex content, IPTV, internet browsing that's all I do but now is the right time to go for a bigger screen and the new 24 inch iMac is a great opportunity .
Now, never had a MacOS laptop or desktop and yesterday got a new MacBook pro M1 and love the operating system, yes very different from iPadOS but 13,3 inch is small so no gain for me there( yes the MacBook will be returned, just trying the macOS for a week or so )
my question is should go for the base model 8g memory/256 gb or for more ram ?
Also do I need that extra GPU core ?
not interested on Touch ID, ethernet extra ports


thank you
Arian
For your use case, the base iMac with 8GB/256GB and 7 core GPU should be more than sufficient.
 
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To me it's also a matter of aesthetics, the iMac is so clean that I don't *want* to plug anything on the USB ports, if not briefly. If I had to have plenty of stuff connected all the time I would just get a Mac Mini
 
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Once I add the Ethernet, and Touch ID keyboard and a Thunderbolt hub, I'm getting closer to the base model 4-port iMac. Seems like a poor value proposition. If the argument is use that $200 saved to get RAM and/or a storage bump, then I'd buy that for a dollar. But to say that I can use that money towards getting the things I get cheated out of by going with the 2-port model when the remaining savings isn't that great (and when I'm still only getting two internal ports) seems to be the wrong reason to go with the 2-port model.
Because a hub has far more capabilities than the two extra usb-c you get. But if you don’t use usb-a, hdmi or an sd card reader and only use usb-c go for it.
 
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