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Did Apple take a wrong turn?
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Forced convection cooling is proven physics. If it didn’t work, there would be no temp drop and the fan would never stop or slow down.
Apple designs the MBA to throttle and have lower performance than MBP.
the 2018 intel Mba was acting like a fanless design, it already been talked and tested
See the difference with linus taking away the fan (since is there no heat pipe) with the mba with the fan...there was 0.001% difference
Again, electronics/physics...you learn them in high-school at most
I bet you would say it would make a difference if the fan was on the outside of the laptop too ah cooling our GOD
))That was a bad design, or Apple saved some money on the copper , or maybe they forgot to connect the active cooling to the SoC
Have a nice day, bye
even the internet made fun of the Intel MBA with a "fan"
people understanding electronics and physics right here
people understanding electronics and physics right here
the 2018 intel Mba was acting like a fanless design, it already been talked and tested
See the difference with linus taking away the fan (since is there no heat pipe) with the mba with the fan...there was 0.001% difference
Again, electronics/physics...you learn them in high-school at most
I bet you would say it would make a difference if the fan was on the outside of the laptop too ah cooling our GOD
That was a bad design, or Apple saved some money on the copper , or maybe they forgot to connect the active cooling to the SoC
Have a nice day, bye
Again, if there was no difference, the Intel-based MBA fan would ramp high with load and never come down. That’s obviously not the case. The cooling system works. You don’t need to listen to YouTube. Does it work very well? No, but it works well enough to prevent catastrophic thermal problems.
It’s moving air, the internals of the computer are designed to funnel the air by convenction.
Would it cool *better* with a pipe to the heatsink? Yes.
Will it cool without that connection? Yes (not as well) as it’s drawing moving air over the heatsink.
The fan is not there “for nothing”.
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the most heat is produced by the SoC...so the SoC must be cooled down, not the area around the fan, speakers, or battery or something else....it is bad design, bad understanding how an real active cooling means
Is like an F1 car is design to cool just the HALO and the breaks and engines blows up
))))))I understand maybe you used that MBA with a fan to air your face in the summer, to blow air and cool you down..at least in that scenario has a purpose
The SoC runs as hot as it can be...with a fan or not
))))) it was even demo by Linus the performance with the fan and without it...and the difference like i said was nothing =))))) and kept the Intel MBA without the fan because no more noise...so bonus there from removing thatMy god, is this another trolling thread/topic to waste peoples time?! Probably yes, have a good day
This base model was never meant to be used for 8K footage. This is a matter of them pushing the laptop too hard, and making it do things it was never meant to do. I'm not surprised it overheated.
If you’re going to come up with an excuse for Apple, at least familiarize yourself with Apple’s marketing materials first. They mention 8K editing throughout the product page.
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I’m not sure what you were getting at here, but I’ll reiterate.the most heat is produced by the SoC...so the SoC must be cooled down, not the area around the fan, speakers, or battery or something else....it is bad design, bad understanding how an real active cooling means
Is like an F1 car is design to cool just the HALO and the breaks and engines blows up
I understand maybe you used that MBA with a fan to air your face in the summer, to blow air and cool you down..at least in that scenario has a purpose
The SoC runs as hot as it can be...with a fan or not
My god, is this another trolling thread/topic to waste peoples time?! Probably yes, have a good day
WHEN CLOSED UP, the internals of that machine create an air channel that moves air over the top of the heatsink and expels that hot air through the low pressure suction the fan has created.
It’s not as effective as a heatsink paired with a heat pipe, but there is still cooling action happening there.
The fact that that’s guys opened up a computer and can’t figure this out is kind of sad really. “Dur no heat pipe, how does it work?”
I agree, but it's the thermal throttling that is concerning, not the comparison in itself.
With the M1 Apple has positioned the base processor as the one to be used with all base devices, including the fan-less ones.
If this level of throttling is observed on a machine equipped with a fan and originally designed to cool down a power hungry Intel processor, how crippled will it be on the Air and on the iPad?
As for the comparison, it would have been great to have it compared to the M1 MBP as you suggest.
I am now very interested to understand how much of an improvement is offered by the M2 in real life applications, considering it cannot sustain its maximum performance for long (in this chassis).
And the M2 still ended up being faster. It’s not really a problem. The diminishing returns is expected. And we don’t know the thermals of the MBA redesign either.
I have owned laptops of Apples since the powerpc G4 laptops.
They ALL had HEAT issues. even my 16" i9 2019 MacBook Pro has heat issues.
So it does not surprise me that they release a lemon that overheats easy with NO FAN. The M2 MBA.
They never seem to learn their lesson. THIN and good looks over proper engineering and functionality.
EYE CANDY wins again.
They ALL had HEAT issues. even my 16" i9 2019 MacBook Pro has heat issues.
So it does not surprise me that they release a lemon that overheats easy with NO FAN. The M2 MBA.
They never seem to learn their lesson. THIN and good looks over proper engineering and functionality.
EYE CANDY wins again.
The last Intel MBA didn’t have fans basically. Apple removed the heatsink on the last Intel MacBook Air, basically making the fans useless. The Intel MBA was overheating 100% due to Apple.
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I wouldn’t be surprised Apple did this on purpose to make their M1 MBA look better.
Usual clickbait from Max Tech and self-serving nonsense (with the increasing "we discovered / we're the first"... etc)
Yes, the M2 MBP is running at hot temperatures. That does not equal 'overheating', which implies that said component is being heated beyond it's expected or intended range and as a result may not function as intended. Since Apple has not shared this, we're in no position to say that 100+ celsius is 'overheating' just because it's hotter than other M-series Macs.
This is not to say that something is up on the software side of things. Max Tech is boldly claiming that one fan 'isn't enough', but actually it's the fan curve that's the issue, not the total thermal capacity.
Yes, the M2 MBP is running at hot temperatures. That does not equal 'overheating', which implies that said component is being heated beyond it's expected or intended range and as a result may not function as intended. Since Apple has not shared this, we're in no position to say that 100+ celsius is 'overheating' just because it's hotter than other M-series Macs.
This is not to say that something is up on the software side of things. Max Tech is boldly claiming that one fan 'isn't enough', but actually it's the fan curve that's the issue, not the total thermal capacity.
The good news is that this makes an even stronger case for the M1 MBA. For 95% of us, it a fantastic laptop and all we will need in that form factor for quite some time. I think that almost all of those wringing their hands over the potential heat and throttling problems with the M2 version would be well served to lower their anxiety and stick with the M1 MBA. Life is too short to keep living on the cutting edge.
If the Intel-based MBA didn't throttle, it would perform as well as the MBP 13. Throttling is part of the product stack requirements.
We will see the same thing with M2 MBA. If it didn't throttle, it would perform as well as the MBP 13. People "complained" there was no reason to buy M1 MBP 13. It was an oversight by Apple and they're not about to let it happen again.
With M2, I suspect we're back to 2020 Intel-based MBA in terms of thermal envelope. The i3 overheated moderately and the i5/i7 significantly. As a result, it only made sense to buy i3. For M2, it makes no sense to go for 10-core.
Gosh. I know this is a difficult sub-forum. If you want to help defending Apple, at least show people some effort. Now here is the problem. Apple claimed the advantage of M2 over M1 in their keynote speech:
- 18% faster multi-thread CPU performance
- 35% faster GPU performance
- 50% higher memory bandwidth
- ~10% faster single thread CPU performance (found by users using GB5)
From the tweets, we know
- the 8k raw export uses lots of GPU (100% fully utilised in M1 MBP)
- thermal throttling observed on M2 MBP
- M2 MBP's fan screaming at max 7200 RPM
No?
The fan is already spinning at its max 7200 RPM according to the youtuber. I'm not sure how you could further adjust the fan 'curve'
I would say it's not about number of fans. It's the cooling system which is inadequate for M2 and that could cover a lot of things than a fan.