My 4,1 was new from Apple.
But if I go for the 7,1 (depends on what it actually is), or even 8,1, most likely will wait for refurbish. My 4,1 should be good enough for me in the next few years. I have no rush to upgrade to the new one. And from the MacBook Pro's price, I don't think the 7,1 will come with a "user friendly" price tag. Even I can afford it, but there is still no reason for me to buy this highly likely over price computer. Since I can get 15% off from Apple (discount from my Apple staff friend), so, extra 15% off from the refurbish price most likely will be an attractive price for me.