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So you’re bringing no evidence to the table at all. And it does matter, as pointed out in the video, by executing a sub standard repair in this case Apple left the customer with a device more susceptible to drop damage or further degradation due to water damage (which could easily occur outside the warranty provided).
You don't seem to recognize the fact that you're talking about one instance. One. There have been isolated cases of problems with new devices from all manufacturers, not just refurbished units. Those isolated cases do not represent a pattern. Neither does yours. The evidence is clear. If even a moderate percentage of refurbs had problems, there would be many more than just one or two isolated reports. The fact that there aren't many reports proves that the one you posted is an aberration.
 
You don't seem to recognize the fact that you're talking about one instance. One. There have been isolated cases of problems with new devices from all manufacturers, not just refurbished units. Those isolated cases do not represent a pattern. Neither does yours. The evidence is clear. If even a moderate percentage of refurbs had problems, there would be many more than just one or two isolated reports. The fact that there aren't many reports proves that the one you posted is an aberration.

You don’t seem to recognise the fact that you have provided no evidence. None.
 
You don’t seem to recognise the fact that you have provided no evidence. None.
You can't prove a negative. How do you post evidence of all the people who did not have problems with their refurbs, other than the hundreds of posts in this forum to that effect? For those, you can simply search the threads on the topic. I don't need to do your homework for you. Most of those of us who have been in the forum for years and who have had extensive experience buying refurbs don't need convincing of what we already know. It's you who have failed to provide evidence that your isolated case is evidence of a widespread problem.
 
You can't prove a negative. How do you post evidence of all the people who did not have problems with their refurbs, other than the hundreds of posts in this forum to that effect? For those, you can simply search the threads on the topic. I don't need to do your homework for you. Most of those of us who have been in the forum for years and who have had extensive experience buying refurbs don't need convincing of what we already know. It's you who have failed to provide evidence that your isolated case is evidence of a widespread problem.

You can prove a negative. You would think someone that has been in the forum for years would be aware of that. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

I’m not expecting you to provide evidence of all the people who did not have problems. But surely out of all those customers you could produce one refurb tear down video, just one?

And BTW... don’t put words in my mouth. At what point did I say there was a widespread problem?
 
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Actually you can prove a negative. You would think someone that has been on the forums for years would already be aware of that.
As I stated, the hundreds of those who have reported no problems with refurbs stands as evidence.
I’m not expecting you to provide evidence of all the people who did not have problems. But surely out of all those customers you could produce one refurb tear down video, just one?
Most users don't routinely post videos showing a teardown where no problem was found. I have opened refurb units that I've bought, but had no need to post a video, since there was nothing to show. If you're desperate to see teardown videos that show no problems, you can find plenty on https://www.ifixit.com/.
And BTW... don’t put words in my mouth. At what point did I say there was a widespread problem?
You asked how many refurbs have been torn down and then claim that the video you posted shows evidence of a problem, which in the context of the discussion implies a problem with other refurbs. The only evidence it provides is of a problem with that one unit. It is not evidence of any problems with any other refurb devices.
 
As I stated, the hundreds of those who have reported no problems with refurbs stands as evidence.

Most users don't routinely post videos showing a teardown where no problem was found. I have opened refurb units that I've bought, but had no need to post a video, since there was nothing to show. If you're desperate to see teardown videos that show no problems, you can find plenty on https://www.ifixit.com/.

You asked how many refurbs have been torn down and then claim that the video you posted shows evidence of a problem, which in the context of the discussion implies a problem with other refurbs. The only evidence it provides is of a problem with that one unit. It is not evidence of any problems with any other refurb devices.

So which video on ifixit shows a refurb tear down?

The evidence the video provides is that Apple’s refurb procedure could mean you’re receiving a sub standard product.
 
So which video on ifixit shows a refurb tear down?

The evidence the video provides is that Apple’s refurb procedure could mean you’re receiving a sub standard product.
No, the evidence the video provides is that one refurb device has problems. Nothing more. It does not prove that the refurb procedure itself has a problem. It only suggests that perhaps one device was not subjected to the entire procedure or that it slipped through quality control. Until you can show multiple Apple refurbished devices having the same kinds of problems, there is zero evidence of anything except one isolated case.
 
So when my iPadPro has a problem i want a brand new iPadPro if Apple won't give me one thats it for dealing with Apple.

you're handing them a used product, possibly even a user damaged one. no way are you getting a new device. better just sell that iPad Pro now before the value goes too low
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I’m not expecting you to provide evidence of all the people who did not have problems. But surely out of all those customers you could produce one refurb tear down video, just one?

someone with no problems is too busy using their product to do a tear down video. someone with a problem has a point to make so the time is worth taking.
 
No, the evidence the video provides is that one refurb device has problems. Nothing more. It does not prove that the refurb procedure itself has a problem. It only suggests that perhaps one device was not subjected to the entire procedure or that it slipped through quality control. Until you can show multiple Apple refurbished devices having the same kinds of problems, there is zero evidence of anything except one isolated case.

Does Apple allow water damaged boards through it's refurb process? Yes.

Does Apple sometimes perform sub standard repairs on it's refurbs that could increase their chance of failure? Yes.

Would I accept a refurb if returning a faulty product to Apple? Yes, because I have no other choice.

Would I buy an Apple refurb? No. Because the discount offered is not generous enough to offset the risks of getting a shoddy unit. I can buy a brand new unit from third party suppliers at similar or cheaper prices.

You're so desperate to worship at the altar of Apple it's scary.
 
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Does Apple allow water damaged boards through it's refurb process?
Your video shows only one example of that. You have no idea if it has happened more than once.
Does Apple sometimes perform sub standard repairs on it's refurbs that could increase their chance of failure?
Your video shows only one example of that. You have no idea if it has happened more than once.
You're so desperate to worship at the altar of Apple it's scary.
I don't worship anything on this earth. I'm not even defending Apple, which is not an infallible company. I'm simply challenging your false assumptions that the Apple refurb process has problems, based solely on an isolated incident. That's like predicting the results of an election based on a single vote. You're discounting hundreds or thousands of users in this forum alone who have bought and recommend Apple refurbs and who have not had problems with them. Instead, you place all your faith in a single video of one instance. How reliable is the source? How do you know for certain that someone else didn't tamper with or modify or damage the device? How do you even know for certain that the device was refurbished by Apple? What proof do you have of these things? Even if it was, indeed, an Apple refurbished device, that still only proves that there is an isolated single incident of a problem. Until you provide proof of multiple occurrences, you cannot suggest that there is a problem in Apple's refurb process with any credibility whatsoever.
 
Your video shows only one example of that. You have no idea if it has happened more than once.

Your video shows only one example of that. You have no idea if it has happened more than once.

I don't worship anything on this earth. I'm not even defending Apple, which is not an infallible company. I'm simply challenging your false assumptions that the Apple refurb process has problems, based solely on an isolated incident. That's like predicting the results of an election based on a single vote. You're discounting hundreds or thousands of users in this forum alone who have bought and recommend Apple refurbs and who have not had problems with them. Instead, you place all your faith in a single video of one instance. How reliable is the source? How do you know for certain that someone else didn't tamper with or modify or damage the device? How do you even know for certain that the device was refurbished by Apple? What proof do you have of these things? Even if it was, indeed, an Apple refurbished device, that still only proves that there is an isolated single incident of a problem. Until you provide proof of multiple occurrences, you cannot suggest that there is a problem in Apple's refurb process with any credibility whatsoever.

Lol. Now you're trying to discredit iPad Rehab.

You're grasping at straws.
 
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Lol. Now you're trying to discredit iPad Rehab.

You're grasping at straws.
You didn't read my post very carefully, or at least you didn't comprehend it. In no way did I discredit iPad rehab. You're trying to dodge the issue that you're trying to make a judgement about the Apple refurb process based on a single isolated incident, which is illogical.
 
You didn't read my post very carefully, or at least you didn't comprehend it. In no way did I discredit iPad rehab. You're trying to dodge the issue that you're trying to make a judgement about the Apple refurb process based on a single isolated incident, which is illogical.

Then what on earth is this?

How reliable is the source?

Sure sounds like you’re trying to discredit iPad Rehab to me.

I just consider my evidence, a video clearly showing the issue published and commented on by a reputable source, more compelling than yours (none). This argument is circular and therefore against forum rules. I’ll finish my postings here and let the readers decide.
 
Then what on earth is this?
Just as I said, you didn't comprehend my post. The question was in reference to the source of the information in the video, not the source of the refurbishment.
I just consider my evidence, a video clearly showing the issue published and commented on by a reputable source, more compelling than yours (none).
One video with questionable facts is not more reputable or more compelling than the hundreds or thousands who have posted in this forum over the years, citing their excellent experiences with Apple refurbs. I would give more credence to the experience of one well-established, reputable forum member than to one isolated video from an unknown source. You can believe what you want, but you have failed to prove anything except that one single isolated video shows a problem with one solitary device that may or may not have been refurbished by Apple.
 
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