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I just purchased a 2017 refurbished from Apple. I got the 21” with 1 TB fusion drive. After all the discussions about SSD, I just knew I’d wind up being disappointed, although for my use, I knew it really wasn’t worth it financially for me to pay to go to SSD and have to deal with external storage.

I can’t really imagine this thing coming on any faster than it does - it’s definitely ready to go in about 30 seconds. I guess I should time it to see how fast it really is coming up. All I know is it runs circles around the mid-2010 of my daughter’s that’s over here.
 
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Well, since my iMac’s performance was significantly improved by that additional ram, I can’t strictly support statements like that. And my internal drive is the basic 1T Fusion.

Long before ssd, the way to improve performance was more ram (baring being able to upgrade the processor), that basic premise still holds true. Ssd will certainly speed thing up too, but they’re not the only solution.

Yep, long before SSD when OS X was designed on spinning drives for spinning drives, a RAM upgrade made a massive difference. Now if you’re buying a Mac with a spinner, that’s almost certainly going to be the bottleneck.

You’re absolutely right: if you leave apps open and have lots of RAM, it’ll certainly improve performance as the apps will stay loaded into the RAM and take less time to load.

However if we’re trying to identify the fundamental bottleneck as the OP is, especially as they mentioned opening/closing apps as an indicator for this poor performance, I think it’s disingenuous to suggest a RAM upgrade would be most beneficial for their experience. Between increasing the RAM beyond 8GB and going pure SSD, there’s no question which one is overwhelmingly the better option for them.

I think the takeaway is that the base 8GB of DRAM with the 1TB Fusion Drive is not the recipe for a performant iMac because Apple's choice of a 32GB SSD is just not large enough to keep enough frequently cached information on the SSD.

I rarely hear the same complaints about the 2TB and 3TB Fusion Drives.

The OP would be better off with SSD as a first resort or bumping up the DRAM significantly as the second resort. Even the 2TB Fusion would be preferable at this point, but then you are $100 more to get the BTO 512GB SSD.
 
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The 2TB Fusion drive has 128GB of solid-state storage. The 1TB Fusion Drive has only 32GB.

The fusion drive is a decent-enough solution but the 1TB drive is crippled with 1/4 the solid-state storage of the 2TB+ drives. Makes a big difference in performance because there's just not enough room to store all the most commonly-used apps and files in such a small space.

It’s way more than “decent-enough” (the 2Tb Fusion Drive with 128Gb SSD)
 
It’s way more than “decent-enough” (the 2Tb Fusion Drive with 128Gb SSD)
I meant the Fusion Drive in general. Though I believe Apple should not be offering spinning hard drives in any of their products any more.
 
It'd be kind of neat if they updated their "Fusion Drives" to have a 128 NVME SSD + larger older/slower style SSD.

edit: The point being speed without needing the "technical" knowledge of storing things across multiple drives, so things are still simplified for those that want it to remain simple.
 
Retina 5k 2019, 3ghz i5, 8gb ram, 1tb fusion drive

My advice (without returning or opening up the iMac):
1. More RAM (as others have suggested)
2. Get an external SSD (e.g. Samsung T5 256GB or better) and boot from that. Use the Fusion drive (or just the HDD) for storage.
You will then be happy with performance.
 
Well, since my iMac’s performance was significantly improved by that additional ram, I can’t strictly support statements like that. And my internal drive is the basic 1T Fusion.

Long before ssd, the way to improve performance was more ram (baring being able to upgrade the processor), that basic premise still holds true. Ssd will certainly speed thing up too, but they’re not the only solution.

I agree. Lots of people sing the praises of Macs memory management. But it is not that good. Best to Add memory and use and SSD.
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Base spec where I am (does it vary worldwide?) isRetina 5k 2019, 3ghz i5, 8gb ram, 1tb fusion drive. My MacBook was a 2009 base spec for the time. Im not in the USA so prices are a bit higher, if it was just a $100 upgrade I would have done it.

Changing between apps I often get the spinning beachball. Within apps there is a delay carrying out functions.

Im just really surprised at the performance. If I was using photoshop, running intensive games or similar I would understand needing an upgrade. What Im doing though is about as basic as it gets, these are built in apps that surely can't be that much of a strain on a brand new machine!

On the plus side the 27" screen is great, love the space, just a bit annoyed that it doesn't feel appreciably quicker than a machine from ten years ago.

Is you machine still indexing the drive?

Also. 8 gig is just not enough. I have a 2014 iMac with 32 Gig and Fusion. Runs fine with Parallels and many things open.
 
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RAM’s not the issue. MacOS sings on 8GB+ with its great memory management...
Absolute nonsense — unless the only thing you're doing is net surfing and email — then 8G is provably fine. If 8G was fine for everyone, some of us wouldn't need the 256GB available in an iMac Pro — or the 1TB available in Windows boxes costing $150,000.
It’s down to the hard drive bottleneck
Maybe. It all depends on what the user is doing. Without knowing that, both statements are right or both are wrong.
 
Absolute nonsense — unless the only thing you're doing is net surfing and email — then 8G is provably fine. If 8G was fine for everyone, some of us wouldn't need the 256GB available in an iMac Pro — or the 1TB available in Windows boxes costing $150,000.

Maybe. It all depends on what the user is doing. Without knowing that, both statements are right or both are wrong.

But through the power of reading, we can have a rough idea of what they’re doing!

Safari, Mail, Calendar, Pages, iTunes, Numbers

What do you think, slugger? Maybe a 64GB RAM upgrade to load Calendar fully into memory? Those dentist appointments sure are RAM hungry.
 
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But through the power of reading, we can have a rough idea of what they’re doing!



What do you think, slugger? Maybe a 64GB RAM upgrade to load Calendar fully into memory? Those dentist appointments sure are RAM hungry.

Haha, spot on! People here are so quick to suggest upgrading to the most extreme machines.
Not everyone is a professional.
 
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But through the power of reading, we can have a rough idea of what they’re doing!

What do you think, slugger? Maybe a 64GB RAM upgrade to load Calendar fully into memory? Those dentist appointments sure are RAM hungry.
Ahhh the power of making idiotic remarks that appear to be wise. The Greeks had a word for it, in English, it is sophomore.

I make a good part of my living on an iMac through a web browser. With no other apps open, my iMac froze by the end of the day when I have 24GB installed. Installing 32GB ended that. Yes, I have diagnostic tools to know the exact cause of the problem.

I stand by remark. Since you don't really know what another user is doing, such blanket statements are nonsense.
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My advice (without returning or opening up the iMac):
1. More RAM (as others have suggested)
2. Get an external SSD (e.g. Samsung T5 256GB or better) and boot from that. Use the Fusion drive (or just the HDD) for storage.
You will then be happy with performance.
That is bad advice.

Booting from a T5 should make everything slower than a fusion drive in good shape unless working with very large files. How much slower and will you notice? It depends but definitely slower since it is USB 3/3.1 (no difference with a T5 since there's a SATA III SSD inside). The T5 does not support Thunderbolt.

Booting from an X5, OTOH, will give the same performance as an SSD based iMac.

Whether more RAM will help or not is something none of us know from what has been posted. Really. A pair of 4GB sticks to boost the total to 16GB doesn't cost very much.
 
I make a good part of my living on an iMac through a web browser. With no other apps open, my iMac froze by the end of the day when I have 24GB installed. Installing 32GB ended that. Yes, I have diagnostic tools to know the exact cause of the problem.

I stand by remark. Since you don't really know what another user is doing, such blanket statements are nonsense.

OP said their main issue was the speed in which apps open and close. That’s I/O.

They also mentioned what apps they’re using, which 8GB should be fine for. It’s all there in the original post...

My comment wasn’t intended to be a blanket statement for everybody’s usage, just what would help the OP for the symptoms they described. Sorry if it came across the wrong way! :)
 
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OP,

I have a base model 2019 27" imac and it was so slowwww when doing the simplest of things, then I did two things :

1) Added an external Samsung X5 SSD Drive
2) Added a futher 16gb of ram

Now it flies, it's like its 10x faster at least

something to consider maybe
 
After all Apple still considers a more than 30-year old technology consisting of spinning magnetic disks sufficient enough for most users, and quite frankly I don't necessarily disagree.

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Really? geeze. This is archaic thinking.
 
OP,

I have a base model 2019 27" imac and it was so slowwww when doing the simplest of things, then I did two things :

1) Added an external Samsung X5 SSD Drive
2) Added a futher 16gb of ram

Now it flies, it's like its 10x faster at least

something to consider maybe

You added an external SSD and you now use it as your Boot drive by having Mojave installed on it instead of on the Fusion drive?
What do you use the built in Fusion drive for now?
 
I would personally like to thank everyone on this forum who convinced me to drop the extra $300 on the 512 gb ssd... I have the same base 27 inch iMac with the SSD and it is lightning fast...
 
You added an external SSD and you now use it as your Boot drive by having Mojave installed on it instead of on the Fusion drive?
What do you use the built in Fusion drive for now?

That's correct. I use my fusion drive for time machine backups now. seems to work really well.
 
OP:
I too recently upgraded to a 2019 iMac, only i did it from a 2008 iMac that had been upgraded to 6g Ram and a 250g SSD years ago. There was (is) not really anything wrong with my '08, and it was still extremely snappy for day to day use. The SSD made this possible. BUT, the Photos app was becoming a wreck to try and use. It took forever to open, forever to do anything, and I hadn't been able to import pictures from an iPhone without doing work-arounds for the last few years since Sierra was the last OS I was able to put on it. New file formats and app updates, etc. were slowly making the old machine less useful. And I knew more of the same was coming down the road with the next OS update.
My wife getting an iPhone XS was the last straw for me. I almost lost 4 years of her pictures, managing to pare the loss down to 4 months by digging through Time Machine to find an old iPhone backup up that saved (most of) the day. But I digress.
So I bit the bullet and bought a new iMac. Top tier 2019, 8g ram, 580x 8g Radeon. Upgraded to 512 SSD because I knew the Fusion drive was likely going to feel slower than even my '08, as I had played with various iMac in the stores over the years. I've kept my data on external drives for years anyway, and don't really need 512g, but now I've got room to grow.
Frankly, I am also disappointed by the performance of USB3 vs the FW800 I was using on the "08. Faster yes, but not shockingly so.
Here's the difference: Photos just works, and it's pretty fast. even with an external library. Every wait I have is limited to the lazy write and read times of that USB3 external. I'm considering an external 1TB SSD, but I think upgrading my RAM would be of better value, even though for most tasks the 8g seems just fine, even with 5 different potential family users logged into the machine.
And the BIGGEST difference?: Encoding a DVD rip in Handbrake used to take me about 2 hours. This new machine does it in 15 minutes.
15 minutes! Do I need it to do it that fast? Not really. But now I don't worry too much about having to wait overnight for something to finish.
And 5K Retina is makes photos editing so much better. Not to mention my daughter loves being able to play Sims 4 with everything set to High, and the machine doesn't break a sweat.

Long story short? SSD. I can't wait until 4TB SSD's are the norm and we can all dump these slow ass HDD's forever. It's a travesty that any iMac, which is supposed to be a luxury machine, comes with anything other than an SSD.
 
Every wait I have is limited to the lazy write and read times of that USB3 external. I'm considering an external 1TB SSD, but I think upgrading my RAM would be of better value, even though for most tasks the 8g seems just fine

From what you say, the RAM is OK (just), but the USB external (I assume hard disk) is not. So, get an external USB3.1-gen2 SSD (plugs into a Thunderbolt/USB-C port) first. Samsung T5 is popular. Then second get more RAM.

I am assuming you already have a suitable external backup disk for Time Machine (or whatever is your chosen backup product)
 
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