Disappointing WWDC...no surprise

[richmlow]

Hi all,


For those who were hoping for (even a small mention) of hardware updates, it was a disappointing WWDC. I was hoping for some news about a Mac Pro update....but nothing. =(

Anyways, I'm not sure how long I'll keep waiting. I'm very tempted to just go get a Windows machine.


richmlow

 

[pat500000]

Hi all,


For those who were hoping for (even a small mention) of hardware updates, it was a disappointing WWDC. I was hoping for some news about a Mac Pro update....but nothing. =(

Anyways, I'm not sure how long I'll keep waiting. I'm very tempted to just go get a Windows machine.


richmlow

Not joking but I think 10 years.

 

[teeck2000]

Just get a windows machine man. I have my amazing 5,1 selling right now on ebay. As great as it is, and I love that computer, I just need to move on. I am used to windows cause that's what I use at work and actually prefer some things to the finder.

I miss OS X a bit here and there, but I still have my Macbook Pro retina for that, and I can use any hardware, fully supported and all my apps are available for Windows.

If you build your machine research quiet cases and parts, that's the one thing you need to plan specifically to get MacPro level's of noise.

 

[pat500000]

Just get a windows machine man. I have my amazing 5,1 selling right now on ebay. As great as it is, and I love that computer, I just need to move on. I am used to windows cause that's what I use at work and actually prefer some things to the finder.

I miss OS X a bit here and there, but I still have my Macbook Pro retina for that, and I can use any hardware, fully supported and all my apps are available for Windows.

If you build your machine research quiet cases and parts, that's the one thing you need to plan specifically to get MacPro level's of noise.

I think we all love OS X because how it functions/ how we access things (noticed how I didn't mentioned stability).

But supporting a corporation that abuses their consumers and Mac Pro users.... We shouldn't tolerate their stupidity.

 

[teeck2000]

Yeah it's been a slow process for me over the last 4 years to not being able to stand Apple anymore . OS X stability issues/software bugs/forced hardware(lack of choice) have been the number one reason. The software quality of apple has seriously taken a nose dive. My iphone doesn't help the issue either, iOS is a buggy POS and the new iTunes UI is so bad I don't use it unless I have to.

Trying to get my 4k MST monitor working in OS X with hacks cause Apple software blocks it in the nvida driver. *******s...

When I go back to OS X after using Windows I am so sad, cause when it's working it's awesome. I've been a hardcore mac only user since 1995. But times have changed, it's sad, but ohh well, time to move on.

I'm not leaving Mac's anytime soon, notebook wise the MacBook Pro Retina is still amazing compared to anything else, but desktop wise, forget Apple, if you need serious hardware and choice, look elsewhere.

 

[zephonic]

I'm not leaving Mac's anytime soon, notebook wise the MacBook Pro Retina is still amazing compared to anything else, but desktop wise, forget Apple, if you need serious hardware and choice, look elsewhere.

I concur. Apple's laptops remain the class of the field, but their desktop lineup is oddly crippled.

 

[pat500000]

I concur. Apple's laptops remain the class of the field, but their desktop lineup is oddly crippled.

More than crippled. It was amputated.

 

[pastrychef]

If you don't like the hardware that Apple makes and you don't like macOS, then the logical thing to do would be to move on to a different platform. There are options. There are different operating systems. There are lots of computer makers.

If you walk in to a restaurant and don't see a single thing that you like on the menu, do you hang around and complain to the owner or walk out and go to another restaurant?

 

[zephonic]

If you walk in to a restaurant and don't see a single thing that you like on the menu, do you hang around and complain to the owner or walk out and go to another restaurant?

...thus spoke the pastry chef...

 

[merkinmuffley]

I can't believe they rented the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium for this. This will go down in Apple history as the most fluff filled WWDC ever.

 

[mrxak]

If that "days since last Mac Pro update" timer reaches 1000 days, I think I'm done.

 

[AZhappyjack]

Hi all,


For those who were hoping for (even a small mention) of hardware updates, it was a disappointing WWDC. I was hoping for some news about a Mac Pro update....but nothing. =(

Anyways, I'm not sure how long I'll keep waiting. I'm very tempted to just go get a Windows machine.


richmlow

As has been stated elsewhere, this is the World Wide DEVELOPERS Conference, so unless said developers are creating and selling new Apple hardware, it's NOT what this is about. I get it that you (and many others) may be disappointed, but this is a matter of managing one's expectations.

 

[teeck2000]

I moved to a windows, as I stated A hackintosh is not a direct option for a MacPro. No power management for LGA2011, and some other minor issues. If you don't need LGA2011 then, yes there are builds that work great.


Yes, but it's not for everyone and again, its not really an option for LGA2011 and some audio DAW issues that I've had. I've built about 7 hack's since 2009 with all sorts of confirmed working hardware and only 1 ever worked 100% with everything I personally needed it to.

 

[pastrychef]

Yes, I'm going to build a Skylake system. I'm very much looking forward to it.

If you have macOS only apps that you need to run, I've seen people virtualize macOS... Yet another option.

 

[Hank Carter]

If you don't like the hardware that Apple makes and you don't like macOS, then the logical thing to do would be to move on to a different platform. There are options. There are different operating systems. There are lots of computer makers.

If you walk in to a restaurant and don't see a single thing that you like on the menu, do you hang around and complain to the owner or walk out and go to another restaurant?

Easy for you to say.

Some of us have been with Apple since the 80's and the days of the 'Fat Mac' and IIe.

You know, back when you ran Page Maker on a tiny black and white screen plugged into an Apple Laser Printer that suddenly made 500 years of analog printing equipment obsolete?

I have a lot of time and money invested in hardware, software and workflow. Jumping to Windows would not be a trivial task by any means. Linux would be pointless since Adobe etc doesn't support the OS.

Any other great advice?

 

[pastrychef]

Easy for you to say.

Some of us have been with Apple since the 80's and the days of the 'Fat Mac' and IIe.

You know, back when you ran Page Maker on a tiny black and white screen plugged into an Apple Laser Printer that suddenly made 500 years of analog printing equipment obsolete?

I have a lot of time and money invested in hardware, software and workflow. Jumping to Windows would not be a trivial task by any means. Linux would be pointless since Adobe etc doesn't support the OS.

Any other great advice?

The hardware you have now should still be able to run the software you bought them for.

Moving forward, your options are as open as any, especially since Adobe software are now subscription based.

 

[Hank Carter]

The hardware you have now should still be able to run the software you bought them for.

Moving forward, your options are as open as any, especially since Adobe software are now subscription based.

For my purposes even a 12 core / D700 system barely cuts it. That's aside from their reliability plagued GPU cards that fail at an alarming rate when getting hammered day in and out by programs like Resolve and many others that I use.

I'm not interesting in spending the next few months or years trying to figure out how to keep Windows 10 running.
I've had Windows boxes in the past and they were a PIA to keep going. I can't afford the waste of time involved in that. I have work to do.

I have an entire post production pipeline running on Macs. It's not as simple as switching my Adobe subscription from OS X to Windows.

All I want is Apple to take someone of that $400 billion war chest they have stashed away and for 5 minutes remember that in addition to making phones and watchbands they also sell computers. And I want that done in a timely fashion so I can write them a very big check and be left alone for the next three years. We will eventually get that, but as a longtime customer and stockholder I reserve the right to voice my dissatisfaction with the current direction the company is taking.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Hi all,


For those who were hoping for (even a small mention) of hardware updates, it was a disappointing WWDC. I was hoping for some news about a Mac Pro update....but nothing. =(

Anyways, I'm not sure how long I'll keep waiting. I'm very tempted to just go get a Windows machine.


richmlow

I'm guessing your not a developer.

 

[antonis]

I'm not interesting in spending the next few months or years trying to figure out how to keep Windows 10 running.
I've had Windows boxes in the past and they were a PIA to keep going. I can't afford the waste of time involved in that. I have work to do.

I know what you're saying, but the tables have turned. Windows 10 seem to be more stable and less buggy than the last few OS X releases. It's sad but the "it just works" seems more fitting for W10 than OS X right now, or they are at least on par. I prefer OS X workflow too, but in every other aspect apple is currently falling behind.

 

[iBug2]

Maybe never expect Mac Pro speed bumps in a WWDC keynote, since this has NEVER happened. Apple mentioned Mac Pro twice in WWDC, once in 2006 when they first introduced it, and in 2013 when they redesigned it.

 

[pastrychef]

For my purposes even a 12 core / D700 system barely cuts it. That's aside from their reliability plagued GPU cards that fail at an alarming rate when getting hammered day in and out by programs like Resolve and many others that I use.

I'm not interesting in spending the next few months or years trying to figure out how to keep Windows 10 running.
I've had Windows boxes in the past and they were a PIA to keep going. I can't afford the waste of time involved in that. I have work to do.

I have an entire post production pipeline running on Macs. It's not as simple as switching my Adobe subscription from OS X to Windows.

You can build a box with a bunch of Nvidia video cards to handle your Resolve needs. If you use it to run a single app, whatever OS happens to be running will not matter much. If you are really against the idea of running Windows, I believe it's also available for Linux. If you are dead set on staying with macOS, go with an eGPU solution for your Mac Pro or build a hackintosh.

All I want is Apple to take someone of that $400 billion war chest they have stashed away and for 5 minutes remember that in addition to making phones and watchbands they also sell computers. And I want that done in a timely fashion so I can write them a very big check and be left alone for the next three years. We will eventually get that, but as a longtime customer and stockholder I reserve the right to voice my dissatisfaction with the current direction the company is taking.

It should be pretty clear by now that the odds of this happening are just about nil. You can continue to hang around and complain and hope something changes while your workflow suffers or you can do something about it and get some better tools to do the job at hand.

 

[sevoneone]

I never expected any mention of hardware at the developers show. What bugs me is that there was no mention of any features or enhancements that will directly impact pro users outside developers. Enhancements to GPU General computing support, refined graphics drivers, new core frameworks that push the envelope and make it easier for dens to make apps that do really powerful things...

WWDC and Mac OS releases used to be filled with stuff like this. Now we spend two hours hyping the glory that every middle school boy will now be able to sketch a dick and send it via iMessage in seconds. Sigh.

 

[mw360]

As has been stated elsewhere, this is the World Wide DEVELOPERS Conference, so unless said developers are creating and selling new Apple hardware, it's NOT what this is about. I get it that you (and many others) may be disappointed, but this is a matter of managing one's expectations.

Plenty of people are condescendingly telling us the keynote was not for developers, but press and general public. Given the content it's hard to disagree with that.

But anyway, developers need hardware to develop on. It's been three years since the last Mac Pro. How much longer are we supposed to sit around managing our expectations? There's been barely a mention to let us know it's alive. Is this how the apologists told us things would unfold three years ago? It isn't - they told us to relax, it will be okay. But by now we should have had GPU upgrades, dual CPU options, 4K monitors, and all our heavy computation would leverage working OpenCL drivers. Instead... iMessage bubbles for 12yr olds.

 

[linuxcooldude]

Plenty of people are condescendingly telling us the keynote was not for developers, but press and general public. Given the content it's hard to disagree with that.

But anyway, developers need hardware to develop on. It's been three years since the last Mac Pro. How much longer are we supposed to sit around managing our expectations? There's been barely a mention to let us know it's alive. Is this how the apologists told us things would unfold three years ago? It isn't - they told us to relax, it will be okay. But by now we should have had GPU upgrades, dual CPU options, 4K monitors, and all our heavy computation would leverage working OpenCL drivers. Instead... iMessage bubbles for 12yr olds.

Not sure how the lack of new hardware would effect your ability to develop on this generation of Mac computers.

 

[MH01]

Yeah it's been a slow process for me over the last 4 years to not being able to stand Apple anymore . OS X stability issues/software bugs/forced hardware(lack of choice) have been the number one reason. The software quality of apple has seriously taken a nose dive. My iphone doesn't help the issue either, iOS is a buggy POS and the new iTunes UI is so bad I don't use it unless I have to.

Trying to get my 4k MST monitor working in OS X with hacks cause Apple software blocks it in the nvida driver. *******s...

When I go back to OS X after using Windows I am so sad, cause when it's working it's awesome. I've been a hardcore mac only user since 1995. But times have changed, it's sad, but ohh well, time to move on.

I'm not leaving Mac's anytime soon, notebook wise the MacBook Pro Retina is still amazing compared to anything else, but desktop wise, forget Apple, if you need serious hardware and choice, look elsewhere.

I'm in a very similar boat. I also became a hardcore Mac convert in 1995 with my PowerBook , and it was the best thing I've done. I can relate to all the issues you have experieced recently, it's a sad state of apple software.

I also have a 2012 rMBP and Mac mini, with zero reason to upgrade, cause apple is so far behind in hardware.

While leaving Windows for my core activities I stayed with Windows for gaming and have built machines , it's been interesting to see all the mistakes Microsoft made along the way , how they turned things around with Windows 7 and kept plugging away in the background while apple got all the glory. Come 2016, Windows 10 is rock solid on my Windows machine , with each update making to more stable , it's a really good experiece, I hate to say it, it just works.

OS X on the other hand, having moved to annual major updates is a mess of bugs and unstable compared to my windows 10 build, I cannot blame the devs, they have so much tech debt and are constantly trying to pump out gimmick features every 12 months so support iDevics on OS X .

In the last 2 years my macs have been crashing / beach balling / restarting on a regular basis..... I cannot remember the last Windows 10 crash....I think I had one, which it auto recovered from...

As Mac users , we need to accept reality, the company does not care about its computers anymore, it's about idevices, the large part of the WWDC dedicated to iMessage shows the user group they are after. Macs for "pros" died years ago. I'll use my 2012 rMBP till it dies....by they point I'm not sure OS X will be my operating OS of choice. Same thing is about to happen to my iPhone, as I will not buy a new model without a 3.5mm jack, I love my music and have lots of quality headphones .