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Disastrous update of OneDrive coming for all macOS 12.3 users
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This thread is interesting reading. YMMV but I wanted to mention that my migration went fine (with one small glitch) for my relatively straightforward setup.
I have about 100 GB of files in OneDrive, sync'd across two macOS and two Windows 10 computers. On the macOS machines I've always pinned the top level folder (and as noted by others above the pinning is recursive) so all files were locally cached. On the Windows machines I've always used Files-On-Demand and cached very little. All storage is SSD, on all four computers.
I had only one small glitch "upgrading" to the latest OneDrive on macOS 12.2. I don't use Time Machine, instead I do a semi-manual backup to a NAS drive using the macOS app Beyond Compare. Because the OneDrive sync root changed from ~/OneDrive to ~/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-Personal my Beyond Compare settings needed to be updated (which took me a while to figure out).
Like others above I find the dual iconography in Finder confusing and inconsistent, but hopefully that will get sorted out.
Clearly some people are having migration issues, but sample size one, I did not.
I have about 100 GB of files in OneDrive, sync'd across two macOS and two Windows 10 computers. On the macOS machines I've always pinned the top level folder (and as noted by others above the pinning is recursive) so all files were locally cached. On the Windows machines I've always used Files-On-Demand and cached very little. All storage is SSD, on all four computers.
I had only one small glitch "upgrading" to the latest OneDrive on macOS 12.2. I don't use Time Machine, instead I do a semi-manual backup to a NAS drive using the macOS app Beyond Compare. Because the OneDrive sync root changed from ~/OneDrive to ~/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-Personal my Beyond Compare settings needed to be updated (which took me a while to figure out).
Like others above I find the dual iconography in Finder confusing and inconsistent, but hopefully that will get sorted out.
Clearly some people are having migration issues, but sample size one, I did not.
No this is not a joke.
The way he talks about the recycle bin he has to take files from there on a daily base and I think that is not the way you use the recycle bin.
Yes of course you can make a mistake with removing a file but that should not be that often that it would be a problem to go to the website and retrieve the file.
I'm not hearing that in the way he talks.
Undo is the convenient way to quickly back out of a mistake. The trash can is an easy place to look for things mistakenly deleted. It's great that you don't often make mistakes; not everyone is as cautious as you.
Also, I'm not sure how long these cloud services retain deleted files. iCloud names the trash can "Recently Deleted" (I think I once saw reference to 1 month) and I found a reference online from 2017 that for OneDrive business use the total maximum retention is 93 days. You can make your own decision when to empty the local recycle bin.
I'm experiencing exactly the same issue and I also rely on this for my work. I'm assuming it's a bug and expect it is solved quickly, because I'm getting more and more frustrated.
I never said I restore files frequently. I just wanted to give a heads-up that it's another behavior change due to this update.
It's actually not a big deal for me. Though I do find the "Are you sure you want to delete?" dialog an annoyance.
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I had this exact same issue - one other thing I noticed is that when I would open files from Finder, other colleagues that I knew were in the document didn’t appear and I couldn’t see their changes. When I opened the document from the website in my desktop app then I could see others and Autosave was turned on.
I resolved this by deleting OneDrive and reinstalling. Now everything opens in a “live” copy straight from Finder (autosave on and real-time changes).
Yeah, me too. Problem is, the auto-synching between MS Office apps and OneDrive is great (I use MS Office heavily for work, can't avoid it). Going back to manually saving a document as I work if I save it all into iCloud Drive feels like a giant step backwards.
I got the update sometime yesterday, and... yep, my OneDrive directory moved, and all the contents are now cloud-based rather than being on this machine. I'm now going to each folder one-by-one to say "always keep on this device", which seems to be doing something, but the simultaneous tick box AND cloud download icon are very confusing. Are the files on my computer, or in the cloud?
It is, at least, still searchable, which was not the case with the preview release I tried.
It is, at least, still searchable, which was not the case with the preview release I tried.
Which is not what you want, because you 'should' be only accessing and/or modifying files in /Users/username/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-Personal/ and 'should' never be directly accessing files in the cache (the group containers location). Bug in macOS perhaps - what version of macOS?
With my cache on an external drive, I am not seeing each results in both locations unless I explicitly search the external drive. Odd. macOS 12.2
1) If you want an entire folder subtree kept on your device, mark the root folder as "Always keep on your device" and the entire subtree will be so marked. No need to mark each folder.
2) Yes, the dual iconography is definitely confusing. What I learned in a blog comment elsewhere** was that when both icons are present, if you click on the cloud icon the file or folder will be "downloaded" from the OneDrive cache to the OneDrive sync root, and the cloud icon will disappear. Yes, this is weird. The same comment stated that the tick box icon comes from OneDrive, whereas the cloud icon comes from macOS.
** https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...es-on-demand-experience-on-macos/ba-p/3058922
Maybe or maybe not on your computer! It does not seem totally reliable in fetching everything in a pinned folder. But you force the download of everything in a pinned folder with the Terminal command:
cp -RX "/Users/<user>/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-Personal/<pinned folder>" /dev/null
Since the command is copying all files in the pinned folder's tree, macOS and OneDrive have to make sure the file downloaded. To list each file as it is copied replace -RX with -RXv.
I have been using OneDrive for years and I am currently using it to store all the files for my Master's thesis... lot's of files and all are critical, and I must use a Windows machine too for more specialized software and it all syncs through OneDrive. This Thread freaked me out and it screams emergency to me 
. I am using Time Machine to back up everything including the OneDrive folder and all the files in OneDrive are also stored locally on my Mac and PC.
What would you do to stay away from any sort of trouble? I don't care what cloud service I use if my files are safely stored on the local drive so I can also back them up on an external one. Any file errors or corruption = I can't finish my thesis and I can't graduate.
Is iCloud a good option for my use scenario and does it work well on Windows? My OneDrive has almost 1TB worth of files in it and I'd like to keep all the folder structure exactly as it is and that includes personal photos, music and files, I stayed away from iCloud because I was concerned it would move the files around and I don't want it to.
Google Drive is out of the question completely, I suffered some data loss when I migrated from Windows to Mac for my main machine, plus it saves all the files in a cache and those are not accessible to me, that's why OneDrive was a good option for me .... but it won't be in the future. Plus, I am trying to unGoogle-ize my digital life, I don't like how they scan all your data.
I am a bit lost on what I should do next. iCloud? DropBox?
. I am using Time Machine to back up everything including the OneDrive folder and all the files in OneDrive are also stored locally on my Mac and PC.What would you do to stay away from any sort of trouble? I don't care what cloud service I use if my files are safely stored on the local drive so I can also back them up on an external one. Any file errors or corruption = I can't finish my thesis and I can't graduate.
Is iCloud a good option for my use scenario and does it work well on Windows? My OneDrive has almost 1TB worth of files in it and I'd like to keep all the folder structure exactly as it is and that includes personal photos, music and files, I stayed away from iCloud because I was concerned it would move the files around and I don't want it to.
Google Drive is out of the question completely, I suffered some data loss when I migrated from Windows to Mac for my main machine, plus it saves all the files in a cache and those are not accessible to me, that's why OneDrive was a good option for me .... but it won't be in the future. Plus, I am trying to unGoogle-ize my digital life, I don't like how they scan all your data.
I am a bit lost on what I should do next. iCloud? DropBox?
Those requirements are common to many people though maybe not as much as 1 TB. So how to meet them?
The new OneDrive will store your files locally, if you pin them. But will require 1TB of space on your system disk or wherever your home folder is located. The files are kept in ~/Library/CloudStorage which is backed up by Time Machine. So all good, except that you need a large system disk.
The same is true for iCloud except that the local copy is elsewhere in ~/Library. I would be wary of iCloud for Windows.
The same may be true for the next version of Dropbox which has run foul of the same macOS problem as OneDrive. I don't know how Dropbox are going to manage the transition.
So I would say not iCloud or Dropbox for your requirements.
Box ($$$), or Resilio Sync ($$ or free), perhaps.
Not yet. You have your Time Machine backups - look after them carefully.
Inconvenience - very much.
Alternative clients for OneDrive cloud storage.
Assuming you are happy with OneDrive as a store (if only because it is 'free' with Microsoft 365), does anyone have experience with alternative clients which can sync one or more Mac folders with OneDrive?
I have come across, but not explored,
1) Insync https://www.insynchq.com a commercial product.
2) One Drive Client for Linux https://abraunegg.github.io which is perhaps installable via homebrew and free.
Any thoughts on these or any other alternative sync client?
Assuming you are happy with OneDrive as a store (if only because it is 'free' with Microsoft 365), does anyone have experience with alternative clients which can sync one or more Mac folders with OneDrive?
I have come across, but not explored,
1) Insync https://www.insynchq.com a commercial product.
2) One Drive Client for Linux https://abraunegg.github.io which is perhaps installable via homebrew and free.
Any thoughts on these or any other alternative sync client?
I’ve known Mountain Duck as an alternative client but buying a client simply because of an unreliable official client does piss me off.
The problem is though that unless you save your Office 365 document in OneDrive, you cannot enable auto-save on any other cloud service.
I use Word, PowerPoint, and Excel for work, using VERY large documents. The constant auto-save feature has saved my bacon a number of times. If I had to go back to saving manually, I would have lost a lot of work.
So these sync services don't really do that, do they?
I agree, they don't. The new file provider service in macOS should improve OneDrive (make more robust) for you.
I have tested and tried both standalone ("normal" and standalone) and app store versions, removing everything and reinstalling several times, and I seem to be able to make it work, downloading locally all files.
At this point:
At this point:
- I can't make autosave to work, this is extremely important to me because I work in a collaborative environment where more than one person need to make changes to documents at the same time.
- Backup is all over the place: Time Machine doesn't back up local files but links to the "location OneDrive" in the cloud.
- Arq throws a lot of errors when trying to add the CloudStorage folder as part of the backup.
Soooo last night OneDrive throws me a message "Can't locate the OneDrive folder" . And this was right after I finished a lot of work on the PC and was expecting it all to be synced via OneDrive.
I had to re-log in, point the App to the folder and now it's been processing changes, it has been more than 12hours and it is still doing it. I have 1TB of data and will take a while, I am not sure what made the App cough up and lose the path to the folder. As of right now all the data is there but it shows cloud only, nothing seems to be saved locally yet. My OneDrive version is 22.002.0103.0004 .... is this the one with the expected changes?
Also, if I understand correctly, all cloud storage apps will have to follow the new "way" to sync data, so iCloud, OneDrive or any other will both have the same limitations with the files stored in a cache somewhere, we won't have direct access to folder via Finder. I am correct?
. And this was right after I finished a lot of work on the PC and was expecting it all to be synced via OneDrive. I had to re-log in, point the App to the folder and now it's been processing changes, it has been more than 12hours and it is still doing it. I have 1TB of data and will take a while, I am not sure what made the App cough up and lose the path to the folder. As of right now all the data is there but it shows cloud only, nothing seems to be saved locally yet. My OneDrive version is 22.002.0103.0004 .... is this the one with the expected changes?
Also, if I understand correctly, all cloud storage apps will have to follow the new "way" to sync data, so iCloud, OneDrive or any other will both have the same limitations with the files stored in a cache somewhere, we won't have direct access to folder via Finder. I am correct?
Glad I found this thread. I have no idea what MS seem to be doing, but it has made what was a simple and seamless sync app just create tons of hassle for me.
I've used most of the alternatives and I know they aren't really better. What I liked was that I could just store my files offline and not have to worry about stuff.
Now it's hit or miss - I've right clicked on the root folder and told it to save offline, but there are still some folders which don't appear to be saving offline properly
I've used most of the alternatives and I know they aren't really better. What I liked was that I could just store my files offline and not have to worry about stuff.
Now it's hit or miss - I've right clicked on the root folder and told it to save offline, but there are still some folders which don't appear to be saving offline properly