Weird. I've never had an issue with my work's Exchange server on any of the Android devices I've had. We have quite a few Android users of various devices and no one has had an issue.
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Discussion: switched to Android, hated it, switched back
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Buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. iCloud, iMessage, apps, Apple ecosystem...problem solved. I have an iPod Touch (5th gen) and an iPad mini to go with my Note 2. Best of both worlds. I dont miss a thing.
Same for me. Ditto when I got my first Android phone, a Nexus 4, back in November.
The difference is, if I want to, I can take it soooooooo much further than the "just works" out of box experience. To me that is the best of both worlds. Choice. What a concept.
Until iOS offers me the choice I am getting now with Android there is little chance I will return--after having an iPhone from the very start through to November, 2012.
Michael
After having used a Nexus 4 for a little while now (and liking it) I will disagree with the whole "just works" out of the box thing....
Sure it could make calls and send text messages (though not MMS - I had to reconfigure the APN for that) but most of the default offerings for basic features like text messaging and email are pretty crappy....
Now that I've configured the phone my way it works about as well as my iPhone 5....though there are some definite advantages both ways (iMessage is the king; Android allows me to change default apps).....
Out of the box, the iPhone 5 offers a superior user experience (IMO) while an Android phone can be customized to fit your personal preferences (and therefore can offer a more tailored user experience....but not without some setup and tweaking involved).
Pardon me, but this is the most idiotic, mindless statement I see repeated over and over on this site.
How in the world could you expect google to tweak and setup up phones, applications, preferences, etc for each individual customer?
To my knowledge, Google Read-My-Mind-Via-Telepathy isn't even in beta yet, so complaining that you actually need to use the phone and set your preferences before it works well for you is an odd criticism indeed.
Let me put it this way: Google sells you a blank sketchpad with art pencils whereas Apple sells you a coloring book. If you happen to not like the pictures in the coloring book then you're SOL.
Take it easy there pal.....
I'd say Apple has done a pretty bang up job gauging what the buying populous wants given they sell more iPhones than any other smartphone maker sells of their flagship lines....
Of course, I'll get the typical "Apple could sell crap on a stick and millions of iSheep would buy it"....which is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to discredit hundreds of millions of people's preferences simply because you don't share it.
I stand by my statement. Apple does all it can to create a superior user experience right out of the box, minimum setup required so people get the best they can offer right off the bat (and in my mind they succeed). Google doesn't do this - they give you a pretty mediocre base to begin with and allow the user to tailor the phone to their individual wants.
I never made any statement about which is BETTER for everyone....only that I like both and prefer iOS.
Using your coloring analogy, I would say the iPhone is a coloring book filled with a wide variety of different pictures that cover a wide variety of people's wants.....
Google hands you some crayons and a blank canvas and says "We also have colored pencils, watercolors and oil paints available if you want to use those".
Again - I use both (my Nexus 4 is actually my primary device - the iPhone 5 is for work) and I like both.....I just recognize that each has strengths and weaknesses - a skill it would seem upsets some hardcore Android fans because they can't come to terms that the iPhone still does SOME things better than Android....
Hold on there... You bought a phone that is deliberately "vanilla." It is meant to be configured since there is no carrier or anyone else between you and the phone.
Your experience is no different than buying a non-carrier iPhone unlocked and expecting it to be preset for every carrier in the world. Google unlocked iPhone APN and you will see the same situation en masse.
That said, all I did was take the sim out of my iPhone and put it into my N4. That was the extent of my setup. No fiddling with APN.... it "just worked." Yes, MMS and all. But I certainly could have understood why I might have needed to tweak the APN--it is only logical. Even Apple knows there is a need to do that on their own devices:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2283
Michael
I have to say that this was my experience also, I found the Nexus 4 as easy as my iPhone 5 to set up. The only hassle I had was setting up my @me account on the N4 but soon overcame the problem.
lol no.
MMS worked out of box for me.
Gmail worked flawless out of box for me (all my accounts are routed through gmail, saves me the headache of managing multiple accounts).
Text messaging is fine. Unless you are talking imessage. But then 50% of people i know do not use iPhones. There goes imessage.
I stay in touch with my overseas family largely through google talk. It doesn't work out of box with the iPhone. It worked out of box with the nexus and GS3.
Had to download the following before things could work "out of box", google maps (transit integration + POI integration which are both better than apple maps IMO), gmail app, fantastical, IM+ (to access google talk mostly), viber (so i can talk to everyone instead of the 50% imessage base only).
I could upload my work documents "out of box" through GS3s browser to our web enabled printer with two taps while with the Iphone i had to copy them to one of our computers and print from there (we don't have an airplay enabled printer, and our company doesn't feel the need to replace a perfectly operating one just to include that).
And 3 months down the road i was happy to jailbreak to have my music, photo, and file transfer work "out of box" (i am sorry but the Apple way is not good for me).
So the iPhone does work out of box for people who are entrenched deeply in most Apple stuff, otherwise, still have to go through hoops. I hardly call it "works out of box".
Google's FREE services outdo Apple's by a mile. I switched from an iPhone to the Note2 and haven't even looked back. There is NOTHING that "Just works" on iphone. You have to go through a set up process (especially when you first dabble into apple waters).
Sorry, I'd look into Windows phone or BB before going back to apple and their locked down ecosystem.
Sorry, I'd look into Windows phone or BB before going back to apple and their locked down ecosystem.
??? you have to go through a setup process on any device ios or android when first creating accounts etc...
In my experience both free services from iOS & android work without issue.
I think you guys are missing the big picture of his original post. He is saying out of the box an iphone offers a better experience by default (I think most would agree); However, with tweaking you can make a nexus device (or android device) just as good or better. How about this one.....visual voicemail. You have to tweak and configure google talk to get that out of the box. With an iphone, this feature just works. That is what he was really getting at. Don't get so fixated on his MMS analogy.
Thanks....
MMS has just been a sore spot for me....it works, it doesn't, drains battery in the background because it won't send....its been better lately, but I simply "miss" iMessage
My point was exactly that - the iPhone offers a better user experience right out of the box while Android requires some setup....though the upside here is you can configure it to you specific wants.
No I perfectly get his point. But you and jrswizzle (judging from his post now) failed to get mine.
My point is that the iPhone is NOT the best out of box experience compared to phones say, the nexus 4 or gs3.
Because it was not for me. Not at all.
I have been an apple sure since I sold a Nokia e71 in feb 2010 to get a 3GS. Seriously, I found the e71 to be better out of the box at that time too.
But the games and full touchscreen was awesome so meh.
You guys think iPhone is the best out if box experience because you prefer it. Why can't you see that?
I actually already stated that I felt it was the best out-of-the box, IN. MY. OPINION.
I said that in my posts.
There's quite the double standard going around here that criticism of Apple and the iPhone is necessary while criticism of Google and Android is "fanboy nonsense".
The iPhone does what it means to do to near perfection. And I would still argue, though I understand each person has their own preference, that simply setting each phone up, without adding any other customization - simply going through the initial setup - the iPhone offers a better experience.
It is in the subsequent customization and tinkering where Android shines. That's the way I see it after using both side-by-side anyway.
I really do mostly like that one poster's analogy of the coloring book vs. the sketch pad.
I don't care if anyone criticizes android. I do it myself plenty of times.
I was also stating that MY OPINION does not agree with yours and the other poster I quoted.
I will simply state that neither of my posts contained a word about the iPhone users but somehow you wanted to add that stuff as well. I don't see why. Similarly, the other poster stated it more like a simple fact and I just disagreed.
I don't see the double standard anywhere in any of my posts. I am not an apple hater at all either because I would love to own a MacBook.
However, I was never content with ios and I never found it to be best out of box.
I don't mind if you or someone disagrees. I can see it can work pretty well for many. However preferring my choice which I find to be better out of box doesn't make me an apple critic. Similarly, I do not agree with your android is tinkering opinion as well. My nexus 4 was never tinkered with. Yet I liked it far more than the iPhone 5. The battery is crap for sure, but ios simply felt clunky to me right after using the non tinkered nexus. I also use many apps on it, productive ones too, again failing to see where the emphasis on tinkering should be. The serious android developers make amazing apps that I have discoverd in my one week with nexus.
I had a Nexus 4 for 3 months before giving it to a family member. It was a pretty decent phone, there were some things I really liked about it:
Ultimately there were some things I didn't quite like, mostly the quality of apps outside Google's own apps and that of the big companies. I'm a developer for both platforms and I have to say I do prefer Apple's walled garden. It can be infuriating at times when an app gets rejected for the pettiest of reasons but at the same time I as an end user I quite like being able to trust the quality of apps on iOS. I only downloaded a few random Android apps (as in ones not from Google or known reputable companies) but I found the quality took a nosedive, and I don't need another computer to have to manage in regards to malware etc so I made the move back to iOS.
But Android has come a long way. As happy as I am with my iPhone I do quite miss Android in some respects.
- Google Now - while Siri is a lot more charming and entertaining I preferred GN once I had been using the phone for a while
- Google's stock apps like Currents etc, the quality of them was pretty awesome
- Notification Centre - apps felt better integrated
- The stock OS - I'm no serious hater of manufacturer interfaces like Sense and TouchWiz but I much preferred just having the normal OS.
- The play store. It just works, the App store in iOS 6 seems so temperamental in comparison.
Ultimately there were some things I didn't quite like, mostly the quality of apps outside Google's own apps and that of the big companies. I'm a developer for both platforms and I have to say I do prefer Apple's walled garden. It can be infuriating at times when an app gets rejected for the pettiest of reasons but at the same time I as an end user I quite like being able to trust the quality of apps on iOS. I only downloaded a few random Android apps (as in ones not from Google or known reputable companies) but I found the quality took a nosedive, and I don't need another computer to have to manage in regards to malware etc so I made the move back to iOS.
But Android has come a long way. As happy as I am with my iPhone I do quite miss Android in some respects.
What is this malware on Android people are talking about?
I have been using android for over 2 years and iOS for over 4 years, I don't find any difference in quality of apps b/w the platforms (for phones). Low quality/shady apps can be identified right from the review/ratings section.
I have been using android for over 2 years and iOS for over 4 years, I don't find any difference in quality of apps b/w the platforms (for phones). Low quality/shady apps can be identified right from the review/ratings section.
Actually the note 2 DOES just work.
If doesn't work the same way as iOS, but it does just work.
Like icloud? Get drop box,.
Also the apps actually integrate better on the note.
But if you like the iphone for whatever reason, so be it.
No biggie
That's the best way to illustrate what I think is the difference between Android and iOS.
