Disk Utility Redesign & NTFS

[leman]

However, even under recovery partition, or even, El Capitan install drive, ntfs partition is still invisible, in disk utility. This should not be treated as a third party driver issue.

I have faith that Apple is purposely removing such support in future versions of OS X.

With all due respect, you should start reading what other people write. El Capital's disk utility has no problems detecting, reporting and deleting NTFS partitions, without any third party driver installed. I have no idea why it does not work for you particularly.

 

[Shirasaki]

With all due respect, you should start reading what other people write. El Capital's disk utility has no problems detecting, reporting and deleting NTFS partitions, without any third party driver installed. I have no idea why it does not work for you particularly.

And it appears there are two users reporting El Capitan disk utility has issue manipulating ntfs partition.

And if third party driver is that cause, why I cannot even find it under installation disk? This disk is created through El Capitan install media, and thus this is not possible to provide r/w support for ntfs partition.

I may take time to review this issue, though.

 

[ConnYoungy]

Yeah, you appear to be correct — the support page specifically says there's a "BOOTCAMP" partition you're supposed to have Windows delete and reformat.

Yes but when Apple say "here is a tool to install Windows" they aren't stupid, they know the end result will be an NTFS partition on your hard drive.

 

[DeltaMac]

Yes but when Apple say "here is a tool to install Windows" they aren't stupid, they know the end result will be an NTFS partition on your hard drive.

Ehh... Not necessarily. The Boot Camp Assistant just prepares a new partition. Generally, that partition would be used for Windows, and the Windows installer would generally (by default) format that Boot Camp partition as NTFS.
Installing Windows is a goal, not formatting NTFS, which is just one result. I THINK you can still install Windows on a non-NTFS format partition. It's just not the default.
And, some folks use Boot Camp to create a partition, and use that as a destination to install some flavor of Linux, which certainly doesn't need an NTFS partition.
Just to recap - OS X cannot create NTFS partitions without help from third-party software. It appears that the current NTFS drivers will need some modification for stable use with El Capitan.
Those changes don't come from Apple.

 

[matreya]

However, even under recovery partition, or even, El Capitan install drive, ntfs partition is still invisible, in disk utility. This should not be treated as a third party driver issue.

I have faith that Apple is purposely removing such support in future versions of OS X.

Disk Utility.app is still missing key features like RAID support. I managed to create a RAID set with the command line tool though...

I'm using the preview version of Paragon NTFS for Mac for El Capitan, and it works fine mounting NTFS volumes and copying files to it..

 

[ConnYoungy]

Ehh... Not necessarily. The Boot Camp Assistant just prepares a new partition. Generally, that partition would be used for Windows, and the Windows installer would generally (by default) format that Boot Camp partition as NTFS.
Installing Windows is a goal, not formatting NTFS, which is just one result. I THINK you can still install Windows on a non-NTFS format partition. It's just not the default.
And, some folks use Boot Camp to create a partition, and use that as a destination to install some flavor of Linux, which certainly doesn't need an NTFS partition.
Just to recap - OS X cannot create NTFS partitions without help from third-party software. It appears that the current NTFS drivers will need some modification for stable use with El Capitan.
Those changes don't come from Apple.

Functionally, Boot Camp only prepares a partition, but it also calls Windows by name, it doesnt simply say "to install another operating system". It even goes as far as to help you create the boot image and download Windows specific drivers and installs the Boot Camp control panel for windows. Make no mistake about it the Boot Camp feature is designed to install windows (and by default an NTFS partition, which should mean Disk Utility should have support for seeing and erasing NTFS partitions, if not to actually create them)