Disk Utility Replacement???

[Erdbeertorte]

There is a RAID Utility in this folder:

But if I launch it, it says my Computer is not supported:

 

[Weaselboy]

There is a RAID Utility in this folder:

Interesting find. I get the same thing on 10.11.1. Funny they would leave this non-functioning version of the utility in there.

 

[KALLT]

There is a RAID Utility in this folder:

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But if I launch it, it says my Computer is not supported:

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It's Mac Pro only (and Xserve) and I think it only works with Apple's own Apple RAID cards. But from screenshots it does seem to be a more powerful tool for RAID than Disk Utility ever was.

https://ssl.apple.com/server/docs/RAID_Utility_User_Guide.pdf

 

[Erdbeertorte]

Maybe someone with a Mac Pro can test if it is a functional version and if it works with any RAID drive.

I never used RAID, just saw it in that folder and remembered as I read this thread.

Edit: Is it possibly usable if OS X Server is installed?

 

[leman]

Maybe someone with a Mac Pro can test if it is a functional version and if it works with any RAID drive.

My guess is that it will only start if your have a Mac Pro with a Mac Pro RAID card (or an Xserve). I have one in the office and I am using the RAID utility to manage it, but its still running 10.6 and will not be updated to 10.11 any time soon, so I can't test this out. But it would make sense.

Furthermore, every RAID manufacturer supplies their own utilities for managing the controller. This is standard practice, since the features are usually quite different.

 

[Ebenezum]

Preventing window resizing is definitely a break with Apple's design conventions and there is really no excuse for this. I trust that Apple will fix this.

I think we have to assume that Apple's goal was to make the program more approachable. For this they rewrote the user interface, but not the underlying code. I think they left features out that were available elsewhere. Finder can burn discs just as good and it kind of makes more sense to do it there, as you are doing something with a file, not manipulating a drive or disk image. Making Disk Utility more Finder-like was also a good idea and I really appreciate the clear separation between actions and content. The old version was a bit confusing sometimes, there were buttons and tabs everywhere and it wasn't always clear which part of the drive you were addressing or which 'mode' you were in. I know that some of my less tech-savvy friends found it intimidating.

Assuming Apples goal was to make it more approachable I am not convinced they succeeded.

Examples:

1. Info button provides far more information than any casual user would understand or need.
2. Right side pictogram of the drives content is both incorrect and confusing for casual user. It never reports correct information about the contents of drives, even after I have rebuilt Spotlight index.
3. Cloning is hidden in menu, how many casual users would find it without asking from a friend? It was much easier to find previously.

Making software easier to use is a fine goal. What I absolutely detest is removing usable features without previous warning and replacing it with badly thought simulacrum. I am not certain if I'm going to upgrade my older iMac to El Capitan at all, compared to Mavericks I am not seeing any real improvement anywhere.

 

[KALLT]

Assuming Apples goal was to make it more approachable I am not convinced they succeeded.

Examples:

1. Info button provides far more information than any casual user would understand or need.
2. Right side pictogram of the drives content is both incorrect and confusing for casual user. It never reports correct information about the contents of drives, even after I have rebuilt Spotlight index.
3. Cloning is hidden in menu, how many casual users would find it without asking from a friend? It was much easier to find previously.

Making software easier to use is a fine goal. What I absolutely detest is removing usable features without previous warning and replacing it with badly thought simulacrum. I am not certain if I'm going to upgrade my older iMac to El Capitan at all, compared to Mavericks I am not seeing any real improvement anywhere.

I never said they succeeded, I said that I can see this as their goal and understand the necessity for redesigning the program accordingly. Users don’t need to click on the info button, because the most useful data is already presented in the main window. For specific queries, the info window provides more. This is the same approach as in Finder. That the storage statistics are wrong is not limited to Disk Utility, its a deeper problem that Apple needs to fix. The same problem occurs in Spotlight, Finder and System Information. Cloning is an option users can directly find in File > New Image. The same as in Finder. People will undoubtedly still have questions, but it is now easier to explain, because the UI is more focussed now.

Making software easier to use is a fine goal. What I absolutely detest is removing usable features without previous warning and replacing it with badly thought simulacrum. I am not certain if I'm going to upgrade my older iMac to El Capitan at all, compared to Mavericks I am not seeing any real improvement anywhere.

You are certainly entitled to that opinion. However, I can see the appeal of making programs more user friendly while retaining advanced options in the menu bar and command-line tools. Disk Utility has made partitioning easier for me and I quite like the new look overall, even though I dislike that they break with design conventions. I have no problem using Terminal for more specific options and have for the longest time accepted this as a necessary part of Unix-based systems.

 

[flowrider]

The Repair Disk Permissions command is available in TechTool Pro 8.0.3 However it only looks at disks with El Cap installed on them. My other 5 disks do not show up.

Lou

 

[LifeIsLikeABoxOfRocks]

I still fail to see how the new Disk Utility is 'inadequate'. So, it has removed RAID UI, not a big deal. Other than that, it can do anything the old Disk Utility could do, and its certainly better organised.

Anything except work, as it's the biggest POS utility I've ever come across. I need to boot into 10.6~10.10 just to use disk utility.

 

[disconap]

Repairing permissions on an external drive does absolutely nothing. I love it how a person without any technical insight calls Apple - who has designed the system in the first place — "stupid".

As a lifelong user and a tech manager for a small business, I'm not sure I'd call Apple stupid, but I WOULD call them *******s at this point. They created AppleRAID and pushed all mac users to gravitate towards it, and now they pulled the plug on it--yes, there is support through terminal, but it's incredibly counterintuitive since they refused to use any kind of standard, like mdadm, so even finding information on how to, say, diagnose and rebuild a R0 array inside a R10 is nearly impossible (especially with every search engine hungry blog using RAID as a keyword for El Capitan). It's not impossible, but the point is this: Apple's one saving grace throughout the years was its user friendliness, that most things could be done relatively simply. Not only did they remove a feature that MANY users were utilizing, they did so without any warning and without offering any solution, other than one you'd have to pay for. This isn't an isolated case, but it's the first one that really effects functionality. Ease of use is why I bought a mini and server to replace our Linux box in the first place. That was a $1100 lesson that paid off for less than two years; since El Capitan I've had a server that crashes for no reason and RAIDs that basically need full overhauls but without a working system to keep them mounted long enough to actually back them up to fix them, and NO SUPPORT for the underlying architecture of the drive structure. AND they make upgrades a pain in the ass if you revert, like I did, back to Yosemite, in that finding builds of any third party software that you need requires searching outside the store they built for you to use. Basically El Capitan implodes a number of aspects of their streamline business model at this point.

Basically Apple released an OS that was potentially destructive to longtime core users, and their response to complaints and concerns seems to be "**** em, they still buy iphones".

EDIT TO ADD: OH! AND they crippled basic functionality in the current DU GUI with poor programming. Don't believe me? Boot into single user and run fsck. On ALL my machines this fixed zeroing problems and improved performance. DU didn't pick up the problem in either the main partition or running from Recovery mode.