Dissapointed with monterey

[Jeven Stobs]

i hear you, and disagree. i (mostly) like moneterey; i love universal control. my macs run fast, stable...not perfect, (but this is true in every OS version).

there are always bugs, issues. welcome to the world of OSes, and all software.

personally, i would not want to go back to 2009, to intel, the power pc, or... anywhere back.

advancement slows down, and this makes sense. everything cannot be an innovation; we start with 'revolutionary' ideas, then we develop those ideas more carefully, slowly.

like you, i have opinions. we both have opinions, and neither one of us (or basically, any one of us) can claim our opinions to be 'facts'. but if you think it's all garbage, buy an older mac on ebay, run an older OS, and enjoy yourself.

problem solved 👍

Not the point. No one can seriously claim that any software is or ever was fault and bug free and 100% optimised and performant. But also no one is talking about the fact that there are bugs and issues, but how many there are.

 

[Snowlover]

But if you think it's all garbage, buy an older mac on ebay, run an older OS, and enjoy yourself.

problem solved 👍

Exactly what I did.

 

[Jeven Stobs]

Exactly what I did.

I just want to believe your name is that because you like Snow Leopard so much

 

[Snowlover]

I just want to believe your name is that because you like Snow Leopard so much

Yup

 

[jameslmoser]

what do you expect? less planned obsolescence? apple is a corporation, and one of it's essential responsibilities is to make money. no money in free OS updates.

i, for one, am happy they keep things moving forward, and, as always, we can update/upgrade...or not. no one forces us to...

They made the decision to not charge for OS updates. You generally get what you pay for!

You actually are forced to update, or you don't get security updates, won't be able to use new features even though the existing hardware is capable, and eventually the apps you use won't support your OS either. It is ridiculous. You buy a machine with the current OS, and then you have less than 3 years before you have to update or you aren't "supported" anymore.

And yes, from a company that claims to be so green, I would expect less planned obsolescence, for them to support my machine for as long a they possibly can, not make arbitrary cut offs based on the year it was sold. If a group of developers who volunteer their time (OpenCore) can make my machine from 13 years ago run their current OS like a champ, there is no reason for Apple to go out of their way to make it difficult to do so.

 

[jameslmoser]

yes, why can't it be 2009 again... 🤣 why anyone would give up icloud, better security, universal control, hide my email, a protected OS, etc etc, and a present & future with the silicon chips, to go back 13 years... is beyond me. but to each his (or her) own. 🤔

I hope you know how you sound.

Yeah, we should just accept all of Apple's decisions no matter what they are and not dare criticize or provide any sort of feedback... baaa, baaa!

 

[Aston441]

what do you expect? less planned obsolescence? apple is a corporation, and one of it's essential responsibilities is to make money. no money in free OS updates.

i, for one, am happy they keep things moving forward, and, as always, we can update/upgrade...or not. no one forces us to...

Apple used to charge for OS updates. I would love to go back to that model if it meant released software was released when fully baked, and old machines continued to be supported, rather than dropped to try to force hardware purchases. Goes for iPhone also.

 

[StudioMacs]

Mac OS 8.6 was the most stable version. I can’t take anyone seriously who thinks Snow Leopard was any good.

I’m being facetious, but not really. There has been crap, crud, and gold. Monterrey ain’t the best, but it’s not the worst.

 

[fisherking]

… ‘no one’ seriously wants to go back 13 years and just lose security and features of recent versions.
The point that made Snow Leopard so great isn’t when it was released, but why it was developed.
Leopard plagued OS X users so considerably that Apple took their resources to fix the OS for their yearly upgrade, instead of trying to patch a problem here and there and introducing new features like they do today.
They listened to their customers, especially those that were actually active in forums and wrote about and to them; noticed a problem, accepted the problem and reacted accordingly.
That’s what we are talking about here, proper action to fix long standing issues. Something Apple hasn’t done (with macOS) in a long while.
Pretty incredible that someone needs to point that out to you.

at the least, i enjoyed reading your story, above, where you explain apple's thinking at the time, and exactly what they've been thinking since the moment you personally were happy.

monterey is whatever it is, for each mac user. for me, with a few caveats, it's a great OS, an evolution of what's come before. all the things i'd expect of a current OS.

this pattern repeats with each new mac OS release; there are always those who preferred <insert version here>. for the rest of us, there's life in the present, and excitement for the future.

 

[StudioMacs]

I remember refusing to upgrade from Mac OS 8.6 for the longest time (years), until I finally had to due to application support.

I was right to hold out at the time, and I still tend to wait until WWDC where apple announces the new macOS [California place] until I install the one they announced the year before – since it usually has all the bug fixes it's going to get by then. I moved to Monterrey a bit sooner than I would have due to it shipping with my Mac Studio.

 

[Aston441]

I remember refusing to upgrade from Mac OS 8.6 for the longest time (years), until I finally had to due to application support.

I was right to hold out at the time, and I still tend to wait until WWDC where apple announces the new macOS [California place] until I install the one they announced the year before – since it usually has all the bug fixes it's going to get by then. I moved to Monterrey a bit sooner than I would have due to it shipping with my Mac Studio.

System 7.6.2 master race

 

[edubfromktown]

Catalina runs great on my i5 2020 10th gen MBP. I won't even consider updating it to the next OS release or beyond until software update support goes away.

Monterey ran fine on my M1 Mini and also runs fine on its replacement Studio Max base model. The only issues I've had with both:

Printing to an old HP LaserJet 4200 wired Jetdirect is hit or miss (and slow)
Sleep / Bluetooth issues are problematic on both with insta-wake unless I use the keyboard shortcut