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@h9826790 @owbp - Thanks for Your replies!

Or if you can power the card in better way to avoid shut down protection, e.g. share the loading, use SATA power (properly), use Pixlas mod, or extra PSU.

What precisely do You mean by share loading or using sata power PROPERLY - other than connecting sata cables to PCIe - what woud be the correct way to do this?

By Pixlas mod do You mean going through all the hassle described in this link? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pixlas-4-1-mac-pro-mod.1859652/
I was really hoping RX 580 would be a hassle free solution :)

If that only happen in Windows, the solution is simple. AMD driver control panel has Wattman, you can limit the TDP at there, then the card should not able to draw that much anymore.
I can't even boot into Widows now - the Mac freezes during the Bood Drive selection at startup when I choose Windows - OSX starts normally.

Since the product page for Nitro+ rates it under 235W, it is most certainly 8 pin that is drawing to much power.
Download iStat (15 days trial) and see what's the amperage on PCI-e booster connections.
Distributing that load will bring you back to safe usage of your GPU.
I can't boot into windows now so I can't check the amperage on windows.

I was able to check it on mac os though,
If I read it right (screenshots included) my 8 pin connection draws about 96W (8A) during Unigine Valley test and much less from the 6pin and Pcie slot. I never experienced hard shutdowns with this card on OSX, although I'm still testing. Still the situation can be very different in Windows and/or when I put much more stress on the card in Mac OS.

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@h9826790 @owbpI was really hoping RX 580 would be a hassle free solution :)
It is. Very easy to do, runs great OOTB and the Sapphire Pulse 8GB version is totally silent when idle and very quiet when under load. Truly a great upgrade and no mods required. You just need a two times mini 6-pin to one 8-pin cable, that's it.
It's also now becoming much more obtainable as stock seems to be flooding in from Sapphire.
 
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It is. Very easy to do, runs great OOTB and the Sapphire Pulse 8GB version is totally silent when idle and very quiet when under load. Truly a great upgrade and no mods required. You just need a two times mini 6-pin to one 8-pin cable, that's it.
It's also now becoming much readily obtainable as stock seems to be flooding in from Sapphire.
So is the answer switching from Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+ to Pulse? Because I bought the Nitro only because pulse was nowhere to be found where I'm from
 
So is the answer switching from Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+ to Pulse? Because I bought the Nitro only because pulse was nowhere to be found where I'm from
Yes. The Pulse is a single 8-pin, that's it. And it has the added bonus of being recognised correctly in About this Mac.
See here: #147
 
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Yes. The Pulse is a single 8-pin, that's it. And it has the added bonus of being recognised correctly in About this Mac.
See here: #147
@Squuiid thanks for the confirmation - however I just realised this card can't be bought online or in any other retail in EU - to my best knowledge, so I guess I have to find a suitable powering solution for the nitro - with which I'm otherwise quite hapy (until it hard powers off on me :)

OR

Switch to another graphics card with only one 8-pin connection like ROG STRIX RX 580 by Asus - anyone have had any experience with it on mac?

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-STR...jm-20&linkId=baefb83a0ba826f7d2f843607f8d569b
 
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Nitro+ is a little better card than Pulse, but pulse has advantage of showing right name in Mac and 10W lower TDP.

I would stay with Nitro, and just devide the load between 8 and 6 pin cables. As you can see, 6 pin is almost idling and 8 pin can easily shut down your mac demanding so much power.

I had the same problem with my old 1,1 and HD7950. So i've made something like this
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(sorry for serbian language on pic, on top it says "GPU connections - female" and on bottom "motherboard connections - male")
Here is the topic - https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...bservations-power-draw.1966954/#post-22806575

You could also just buy 2x6pin to one 8 pin cable (to connect to you mac cables) and the 8pin to 8 and 6 pin (to go from previously mentioned 8 pin to GPU). That way, if GPU asks for 2 Amps from 6 pin and 10 Amps from 8 pin it wont trigger the shut down, since PCIe Boosters will give 6 Amps each.
 
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Amazon.fr have them in stock.
Amazon.co.uk Business have them in stock
It's only a matter of time before more places do. They've just become available in these places in the past week, after a drought of 5 months!

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And here's an eBay listing for brand new at a very good price, with EU shipping.
Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 580 8GB GDDR5 11265-05-20G
 
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So is the answer switching from Sapphire RX 580 Nitro+ to Pulse? Because I bought the Nitro only because pulse was nowhere to be found where I'm from

The Nitro+ come with dual ROM, you can flash one of them with the PULSE ROM, it should work. But if not, you can always flash it back to the native ROM (make sure you have at least 2 backup of the original ROM BEFORE you attempt any flash).

@h9826790 @owbp - Thanks for Your replies!



What precisely do You mean by share loading or using sata power PROPERLY - other than connecting sata cables to PCIe - what woud be the correct way to do this?

By Pixlas mod do You mean going through all the hassle described in this link? https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/pixlas-4-1-mac-pro-mod.1859652/
I was really hoping RX 580 would be a hassle free solution :)


I can't even boot into Widows now - the Mac freezes during the Bood Drive selection at startup when I choose Windows - OSX starts normally.


I can't boot into windows now so I can't check the amperage on windows.

I was able to check it on mac os though,
If I read it right (screenshots included) my 8 pin connection draws about 96W (8A) during Unigine Valley test and much less from the 6pin and Pcie slot. I never experienced hard shutdowns with this card on OSX, although I'm still testing. Still the situation can be very different in Windows and/or when I put much more stress on the card in Mac OS.

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96W is a bad sign, not because it's more then 75W, but it hit the display ceiling. 96W usually is not the actual power draw, but just the display limit. The GPU can draw more than 120W but iStat can still display 96W.

Think in this way.

The PCIe slot only feeding 3.74A (~45W), the PCIe boost B only 1.36A (~17W).
If the PCIe boost A only providing 7.99A (96W), then your card is just drawing 96+45+17 = 158W.

Way way below the 235W TDP.

Even the native ROM most likely come with a -20% power setting. 235W x 80% = 188W. That still 30W above your 158W. If we add that 30W to the 96W. Then it will become 126W. High enough to shut down the Mac (the cut off point is about 120W).

But of course, since your card may not really drawing 188W at that moment (due to Unigine Benchmark is not that demanding in MacOS), therefore, your actual power draw may be just tiny bit below the shut down protection limit. But in Windows, depends on your setting, that -20% may be override by the driver and become -0%. In this case, you card can draw up to 235W. And DirectX in Windows can easily push your card to this 235W limit. Which also means, much easier to hard shut down in Windows.

If you want to do a stress test in MacOS. The best way is the run Furmark. It's hiding inside and app called "GPUTest". From your power draw, I expect it will shutdown the Mac if you run it for something like 15min.

However, also from your power draw, there is a good news that you don't need to flash your card, or perform and mod. Just use 2 different cables will fix the issue.

Cable A - dual mini 6pin -> single 8pin (or single 6pin, it's up to you)
Cable B - FEMALE single 8pin (or single 6, depends on cable A) - > dual 6+2pin.

I use this combination to power my GTX1080Ti, it has higher TDP than your RX580, and also come with 6+8pin config. my outcome is as follow.
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As you can see, there still some difference between the PCIe Boost A and B, but the difference is small. And this is what I mean "share the loading". Fully utilise both mini 6pin together to power the 6+8 pin, but not heavily rely on only one of them to drive the 8pin.

From the above graph, you can also see Unigine is not that demanding if compare to Furmark. Also, you can see that 96W display limit (in my case, 97w). Clearly, the green line always go above the blue line by a bit, but once it hit the 96W limit, it goes flat strangely.

You can select boot drive during boot? You have another GPU in your Mac?
 
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@h9826790 @owbp - Thanks again for Your help!

The Nitro+ come with dual ROM, you can flash one of them

Cable A - dual mini 6pin -> single 8pin (or single 6pin, it's up to you)
Cable B - FEMALE single 8pin (or single 6, depends on cable A) - > dual 6+2pin.

You can select boot drive during boot? You have another GPU in your Mac?

Where can I buy those cables online?

I have another GPU yes - GT 120. I use it only for boot screen selection. However if I try to select windows boot now the computer freezes. Not a big problem for me - I can reinstall later - but still - could be a malfunction after a hard power down on Windows.

I also have 4 HDD's in the SATA Bays - this could all sum up to a big power draw on the PSU...
 
@h9826790 @owbp - Thanks again for Your help!



Where can I buy those cables online?

I have another GPU yes - GT 120. I use it only for boot screen selection. However if I try to select windows boot now the computer freezes. Not a big problem for me - I can reinstall later - but still - could be a malfunction after a hard power down on Windows.

I also have 4 HDD's in the SATA Bays - this could all sum up to a big power draw on the PSU...

Don't worry about the PSU, it's 980W, way more than what you need. It's the mini 6pin's protection, nothing to do about the PSU capacity.

I also have 4x 3.5" HDD in all 4 bays, 1x 2.5" SSD in the optical bay, 1x 2.5"SSD on a PCIe SATA III card, and one more 2.5" HDD on the same SATA III card. Plus the original super drive still there. And a W3690, 48GB RAM, a USB 3.0 PCIe card, and a 1080Ti...

The PSU can easily handle all of that.

I bought my cables from taobao.com (basically the China version Amazon.com), but I don't think it's a good idea for you guys to buy this kind of stuff from a China web store. Usually you can find those cables on eBay, Amazon, etc. But if you really want a particular address. I know this web store. It's not cheap, but the feedback is good.

https://www.moddiy.com/categories/Cables/Apple-{47}-Mac-Cables/

Oh yeah, silly me, you screen capture actually shows the GT120 is there. I completely miss that.
 
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Amazon.fr have them in stock.
I ordered a Pulse from the French Amazon a good 6 weeks ago - same link you showed. I didn't realise it now shows as "in stock", though my order still shows as "being prepared we need more time to give you a precise date". I might try to order one with a different account, just to check.

In the meantime, I got a Nitro+ to try. I'm going to return it. First, I'm slightly disappointed by the perfs. As I don't edit with FCP X, I won't see much benefit from it. Still debating whether I should keep the Pulse, get a Vega, or just stick to my 980Ti (weird glitches though). But the main grief I have with the Nitro+, and I have never seen anyone here mention it: it's a tall card, it takes more than 2 pcie slots as it covers slot 2. And that means you have only 3 slots in total left in your Mac Pro. For me, that's a big NO NO NO. We "only" have 4 slots, and I need them all!
 
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I ordered a Pulse from the French Amazon a good 6 weeks ago - same link you showed. I didn't realise it now shows as "in stock", though my order still shows as "being prepared we need more time to give you a precise date". I might try to order one with a different account, just to check.

In the meantime, I got a Nitro+ to try. I'm going to return it. First, I'm slightly disappointed by the perfs. As I don't edit with FCP X, I won't see much benefit from it. Still debating whether I should keep the Pulse, get a Vega, or just stick to my 980Ti (weird glitches though). But the main grief I have with the Nitro+, and I have never seen anyone here mention it: it's a tall card, it takes more than 2 pcie slots as it covers slot 2. And that means you have only 3 slots in total left in your Mac Pro. For me, that's a big NO NO NO. We "only" have 4 slots, and I need them all!

Before I get my 1080ti, the Nitro+ RX580 is actually on my "To buy list". But end up I try Nvidia, and very happy with that so far. In fact, I didn't realise the Nitro+ is a 2.2 slot card until now (I just check Sapphire's page). Is it really completely block slot 2? Or it is still possible to install some small PCIe card like the USB 3.0 card just above the Nitro+ fan?

Thanks for sharing this important info.
 
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Before I get my 1080ti, the Nitro+ RX580 is actually on my "To buy list". But end up I try Nvidia, and very happy with that so far. In fact, I didn't realise the Nitro+ is a 2.2 slot card until now (I just check Sapphire's page). Is it really completely block slot 2? Or it is still possible to install some small PCIe card like the USB 3.0 card just above the Nitro+ fan?

Thanks for sharing this important info.

@h9826790 Thanks for the info.

Here's a photo for You - I would not try to install anything on slot 2 - in my opinion there is no room . I have my gt 120 on slot 3.
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@h9826790 Thanks for the info.

Here's a photo for You - I would not try to install anything on slot 2 - in my opinion there is no room . I have my gt 120 on slot 3. View attachment 738088 View attachment 738089

Thanks for the picture. I agree that’s not enough room for practically any PCIe card. But I think it will be OK to use a PCIe extension cable to install something like a SSD. Of course, nowhere to mount it properly, but for something like SSD, no moving parts, small and light, no external connector, should be OK (as long as the cable didn’t block the GPU cooler’s fan).

In this case, I will say it’s definitely not the perfect card to choose, but the 4th slot may be still available in some case.
 
the dual fan 580's are 4mm higher then reference according to specs.

That 4mm on the PULSE looks like coming from the back plate, not really from the cooler. The PULSE is still a dual slot card. However, the Nitro+ has another 3mm, that's really from the cooler, and makes it a 2.2 slot card.
 
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Yep, Pulse definitely doesn't block any slots although I have a 10GbE card sitting right up against it, somewhat obstructing one of the fans, but not touching it fortunately. Very close though.
 
I just tested the Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 on a Mac Pro Early 2009, dual quad core 2.26 Hgz, running High Sierra.

The card works OOTB.

However the results are 1/3 lower to what the card gets on Windows 7 Boot Camp (on the same machine of course).

Does anyone know if I'm missing something? Should I do anything more to unlock the full potential of the card?
OOB means "just working", right or wrong way - nobody told.
Listen to me - your screenshots correctly show card working with default RadeonFramebuffer. It means "just working". If you want to see more -
mac-pro-tower-radeon-rx-580-vbios-version-edit-pcie.png

Here is you can see ATY,Orinoco - it is Apple framebuffer for your card
 
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